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Old 05-22-18, 08:02 PM
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FDR tried to stack the Supreme Court. He was stopped. His heart may have been in the right place, but he overstepped the bounds of the Constitution.

So who will stop Trump?
Maxine Waters.

And the rest of Congress if the people will it during the midterms. It's happened many times.

Also, let's not forget internment camps and being President for Life. Those were both pretty dictator-ish, although the latter was legal at the time and had to be affirmed by the people every four years.
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Old 05-22-18, 08:13 PM
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"President for life" this is why I made the comment that no one could expect you to know any better.
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"President for life" this is why I made the comment that no one could expect you to know any better.
How many times was Roosevelt elected, and who was POTUS when he died?
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Originally Posted by WCChiCubsFan View Post
Personally I now think of that one the troll feeding himself emoticon.

And yeah, it's quite scary if somebody doesn't actually know better with these supposed "dictator" exmples with FDR.
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Personally I now think of that one the troll feeding himself emoticon.

And yeah, it's quite scary if somebody doesn't actually know better with these supposed "dictator" exmples with FDR.


How many times was Roosevelt elected, and who was POTUS when he died?

Who tried to pack the Supreme Court during the 1930's?

Which administration set up internment camps for American citizens during World War II?

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Old 05-22-18, 08:36 PM
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If someone wrote about a sinkhole on the White House grounds in a novel about a fictitious President it would be seen as an overplayed and ham-fisted metaphor.
"... as if the Earth itself had grown weary of the rot and corruption spreading across its surface, it had enough of it and was attempting to swallow it whole"
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Old 05-22-18, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by creekdipper View Post


How many times was Roosevelt elected, and who was POTUS when he died?

Who tried to pack the Supreme Court during the 1930's?

Which administration set up internment camps for American citizens during World War II?
The Great Depression and World War II were incredibly complicated situations.

Let's not ignore historical context with this handcrafted diversion away from discussing the current administration.
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This is beyond frightening. This is how dictatorships and banana republics are started. We all cry about how terrible this is, but no one who can do anything about it is doing anything about it.
Here's a little newsflash or you.

A sizable chunk of this country's population would welcome a dictatorship with open arms.

The bible crazies would relish a crack down on women and gays and non-christians.

The libertarians and "classic liberals" and Randroids would love to have a Pinochet-like autocrat who cracked down on the left.

Law enforcement would be thrilled to be unbound by the Constitution to do whatever they have to bring about law and order. Nobody's going to be protesting when the next unarmed black kid gets gunned down for no reason, you can bet on that.

And whose side do you think the militias and III%ers and NRA goons will be on when martial law comes down and the Constitution is suspended?

I'd wager that a third of the population would embrace it. Another third to half wouldn't care because it wouldn't effect them, outside of the streets being safer and their 401ks were doing great.

The rest... well, we'd better hope places like Sweden, Finland, Norway, and New Zealand will take in refugees... if we can get over those walls, that is...
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Originally Posted by gryffinmaster View Post
The Great Depression and World War II were incredibly complicated situations.

Let's not ignore historical context with this handcrafted diversion away from discussing the current administration.
That's asking WAY too much from our resident trolls.
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Old 05-22-18, 09:00 PM
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How many times was Roosevelt elected, and who was POTUS when he died?
He was elected four times, 32, 36, 40 and 44. No one has ever questioned the validity of those elections so your use of President for Life is just ignorant.

The second part of your question is also stupid and I'm sure you think it is a gotta but you are wrong again. Only a moron would considered that his dying while in office as proof of "President for life". By that asinine logic if he had severed out his last term the logic of your "gotta" falls apart.
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Saw this tweet by McKew and was reminded of the partial answer I gave to Norm back in early April. This supplies a little more info, and with more authority. Even more if you follow the link- assuming anyone may still be interested at this point.

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No, I at least have not been made privy to that information. Is this another entry from the Tinfoil Diaries? Pukin is by all accounts a slimy, corrupt thief and murderer, but I see no benefit to Russia's backing of Daesh.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Indeed. Considerable evidence that Kremlin materially supported establishment of ISIS &amp; has ongoing coordination w/ ISIS elements -- including in cyber/information space. <br>But pretty much no one wants to talk about that because the implications are vast. <a href="https://t.co/1GO3SndFgo">https://t.co/1GO3SndFgo</a> <a href="https://t.co/eW2FDswnOM">https://t.co/eW2FDswnOM</a></p>&mdash; Molly McKew (@MollyMcKew) <a href="https://twitter.com/MollyMcKew/status/998952592708337664?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 22, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/05/2...gtype=Homepage

Cohen’s business partner makes a plea deal. He was facing multiple counts and $5m in taxes owed. Plea deal is for $50k and 5 years probation so he must have given some major leverage on his partner.

They’ll be using whatever he gave to pressure Cohen.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Trump just stepped all over GOP midterm messaging.<br><br>“Your vote in 2018 is every bit as important as your vote in 2016 — although I’m not sure I really believe that,” Trump ad libs. “I don’t know who the hell wrote that line.” <a href="https://t.co/tk6G7CfD4H">pic.twitter.com/tk6G7CfD4H</a></p>&mdash; Dan Diamond (@ddiamond) <a href="https://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/999083079095463936?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 23, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Trump doesn't like that line because the 2016 vote was all about him, and therefore the 2018 elections can't be nearly as important. What a vain, petty, small-minded loser.
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That's asking WAY too much from our resident trolls.

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Originally Posted by gryffinmaster View Post
The Great Depression and World War II were incredibly complicated situations.

Let's not ignore historical context with this handcrafted diversion away from discussing the current administration.
The question was whether his actions fit the characteristics of dictators...not whether "the ends justify the means."

When people talk about the current administration as being unprecedented, that begs for analogies to actions taken by past administrations. Examining history is not "handcrafted diversion." That would be like saying SCOTUS Justices bringing up past precedents is a "handcrafted diversion."

Setting the record straight is not a diversion unless someone wants to make it so. The point is that past Presidents have taken unconstitutional actions, and the country has survived. It doesn't mean that the current POTUS should do so, but it's a false narrative to act as though we haven't seen power grabs before, regardless of the motivations.

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He was elected four times, 32, 36, 40 and 44. No one has ever questioned the validity of those elections so your use of President for Life is just ignorant.

The second part of your question is also stupid and I'm sure you think it is a gotta but you are wrong again. Only a moron would considered that his dying while in office as proof of "President for life". By that asinine logic if he had severed out his last term the logic of your "gotta" falls apart.
Not if he had been elected in '48, '52, '56, etc. until he eventually died in office. We'll never know how many more terms he might have served had he stayed healthy. The validity of the elections is irrelevant and was never questioned.

The point is that Roosevelt was elected twice as many times as any past President and his veep (in an upset) succeeded him. It's likely that Roosevelt would have easily been re-elected in 1948 for a fifth term had he been alive.

The 22nd Amendment wasn't ratified until 1951...six years after Roosevelt died. It might never have been passed until after his death regardless of when that occurred. Of course, he might have retired at some point, but he seemed to enjoy the power of the office...and didn't hesitate to use it regardless of what the Constitution said.

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The question was whether his actions fit the characteristics of dictators...not whether "the ends justify the means."
It's more like: "Desperate times call for desperate measures". Far less Machiavellian.

I think you're trying a little too hard to draw this false equivalency.

When people talk about the current administration as being unprecedented, that begs for analogies to actions taken by past administrations. Examining history is not "handcrafted diversion." That would be like saying SCOTUS Justices bringing up past precedents is a "handcrafted diversion."
We're not dealing with World War III and Trump himself won't stop bragging about the economy, his doing or not.

You can't selectively examine history, which is what you're doing by ignoring the Great Depression and World War II as factors that dominated FDR's presidency.

Setting the record straight is not a diversion unless someone wants to make it so. The point is that past Presidents have taken unconstitutional actions, and the country has survived. It doesn't mean that the current POTUS should do so, but it's a false narrative to act as though we haven't seen power grabs before, regardless of the motivations.
Are you really going to reduce FDR's efforts to "power grabs"?

This whole discussion is a diversion. You're well aware of that.
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Originally Posted by gryffinmaster View Post
Are you really going to reduce FDR's efforts to "power grabs"?

This whole discussion is a diversion. You're well aware of that.
No and no.

And I can't possibly comment on that.

But the points have been made, so let's return to discussing the current POTUS. Let's just not pretend that past Presidents haven't superseded their Constitutional authority regardless of their proclaimed intentions. And one of them is on Mt. Rushmore.

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Melania going Shawshank to get out?
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Speaking of metaphorical signs …

Media shooting footage of the sinkhole.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Perhaps due to the swampy weather in DC lately. 😊 There’s a sinkhole in the North Lawn of the White House. 📸 <a href="https://twitter.com/MarkWalzCNN?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MarkWalzCNN</a> <a href="https://t.co/m5AeDRDsvn">pic.twitter.com/m5AeDRDsvn</a></p>&mdash; Jim Acosta (@Acosta) <a href="https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/999002532465856512?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 22, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Which caused this release from the White House press corps:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">SPOTTED in the White House briefing room. A bag of wet socks <a href="https://t.co/uyN3O8mrSn">pic.twitter.com/uyN3O8mrSn</a></p>&mdash; Saagar Enjeti (@esaagar) <a href="https://twitter.com/esaagar/status/997158081741164545?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 17, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
An update:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">UPDATE: The bag of wet socks are STILL in the White House briefing room <a href="https://t.co/gPAVMhUIah">pic.twitter.com/gPAVMhUIah</a></p>&mdash; Saagar Enjeti (@esaagar) <a href="https://twitter.com/esaagar/status/999001390017122307?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 22, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
That sinkhole may have started a whole different metaphor at least in the briefing room:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Look I don't like Jim Acosta either but that's still not a nice thing to call him 😕 <a href="https://t.co/xpEbmMdwep">https://t.co/xpEbmMdwep</a></p>&mdash; Andrew S. (@shoutingboy) <a href="https://twitter.com/shoutingboy/status/999013894663225344?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 22, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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The fact that you feel the need to defend and deflect from something like that is amazing.
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No - I just thought the White House press corps reporting on it along with Jim Acosta part was funny

Edit - Went back and read through some of White House Correspondents twitter feeds and some are complaining / retweeting to the press secretary about it.

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No - I just thought the White House press corps reporting on it along with Jim Acosta part was funny
This really does explain a lot!
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This really does explain a lot!
As I said before;

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Animals or MS-13....

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As I said before;

Laurel or Yanny

Animals or MS-13....

Yeah that didn’t make any sense the first time either.
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