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ALERT!!! Planning for the Firing of Mueller or Rosenstein

Old 12-09-17, 10:24 PM
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ALERT!!! Planning for the Firing of Mueller or Rosenstein

I think it is more likely than not that Trump will attempt to fire Mueller and end the Russia investigation within the next few months. Protests are being planned in anticipation of this abuse of power. See the following page to find a protest near you: TrumpIsNotAboveTheLaw.org.

Protests will probably not be enough to compel Congress to act, but they are a good start. I believe that civil disobedience and other tactics will be necessary to force Congress to restart the investigation. What do you think?

P.S. If all you can think to say is "nothing will make a difference," save it for another thread.
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I didn't even think this was in the realm of possibility at this point, is this really that close to happening?
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Well, after they take away the rule of law, the only thing left is civil disobedience. After that, violence probably wouldn't work since so few liberals have guns.
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Originally Posted by fujishig View Post
I didn't even think this was in the realm of possibility at this point, is this really that close to happening?
Have you turned on Fox News lately? Trump watches it several hours per day, and here is the message that he's hearing:

He's hearing that special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation is "illegitimate and corrupt." That it's led by a "band of merry Trump-haters" who are trying to reverse the results of the election. And that it must be stopped.

He's also hearing that the FBI is becoming "America's secret police," akin to the KGB in Russia, full of "sickness" and "corruption."

These are all actual quotes from some of the president's favorite pro-Trump talk shows.

The overarching message from "Fox & Friends" and "Hannity" is unmistakable: Mr. President, you're the victim of a "deep state" plot to take you down. Don't let it happen.
Other right-wing media organizations are sending out the same message. The drum beat is getting louder and faster.
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Unbelievably scary. A host on de facto state media is openly calling for the arrest of law enforcement officials who are investigating the president. The rule of law is under threat. Right now. Pirro’s language (“cleansing,” “examples have to be made,” suggesting law enforcement officials would “destroy the republic” and must be arrested) is chillingly authoritarian. This is not a drill.
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Ghostbuster,

Do you think that if there was a severe backlash from FOX's conservative viewers that the news channel would change its tune?

Or do you think they would continue to support Trump even if it meant losing their audience/ad revenue?
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What the fuck is “de facto state media”?
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What the fuck is “de facto state media”?
hyperbole
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Is he referring to Fox News? Or Twitter? What’s wrong with someone who would liken those things to a state media?
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Originally Posted by Mabuse View Post
Is he referring to Fox News? Or Twitter? What’s wrong with someone who would liken those things to a state media?
What is your definition of "state media"?
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What is your definition of "state media"?
Mine is the same as the dictionary’s.
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Mine is the same as the dictionary’s.
Then it shouldn't be difficult to understand why someone would refer to. Fox News as state media.
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Old 12-10-17, 08:27 PM
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If it is all a "big nothing-burger" like he claims, let the investigation end when it is finished.
If he does try to fire Mueller, it is basically Trump admitting that he is guilty.
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What the fuck is “de facto state media”?
A widely viewed "news" outlet whose programing is overwhelmingly devoted to propagandizing the official line (and lies) of the current administration in power- and not in providing a necessary check on that power.

But then, you knew that of course.
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Originally Posted by JackoOnHisBacko View Post
If it is all a "big nothing-burger" like he claims, let the investigation end when it is finished.
If he does try to fire Mueller, it is basically Trump admitting that he is guilty.
Trump isn’t that nuanced. He doesn’t like Mueller looking into his life and calling his victory into question. So he wants to get rid of Mueller (and he will) and since Fox is his propaganda machines they are passing on his message to his supporters.

That’s it. It’s that simple.
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Draven, since there are other, ostensibly more competent, right wingers waiting in the line of succession- ask yourself why the R's in Congress and media outlets like Fox are so invested in protecting and shielding Trump from criticism and investigation.

It should be obvious that this goes beyond passing an agenda, as the all the next in lines would be on board with working towards enacting similar legislation.

You also have to strike the answer that this President is just too popular. At 32% approval he doesn't have a whole lot of support in the electorate.

So just why do you think so many are behaving the way they are, to Trumps benefit?
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So just why do you think so many are behaving the way they are, to Trumps benefit?
To be re-elected by that trump base. [/Draven]
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Believably predictable. Investigation is going nowhere so a media outlet spawns more conspiracies of fear and distrust.

Nobody from the WH is firing anyone from M's team. I would be very surprised if this happened.
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How do you know the investigation is going nowhere?
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Believably predictable. Investigation is going nowhere so a media outlet spawns more conspiracies of fear and distrust.

Nobody from the WH is firing anyone from M's team. I would be very surprised if this happened.


Spoiler:
RussiaGate is the largest coordinated investigation in this nation's history. HUNDREDS of people are under investigation.
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Here's more Fox News for Trump to listen to:

In her Opening Statement Saturday night, Judge Jeanine Pirro said there needs to be a "cleansing" at the FBI and the Department of Justice.

Judge Jeanine ran down a list of individuals who she said have been dedicated to protecting Hillary Clinton or destroying President Donald Trump, singling out Deputy Director of the FBI Andrew McCabe, FBI official Peter Strzok, former Associate Deputy Attorney General Bruce Ohr, former FBI Director James Comey and Special Counsel Robert Mueller.

"There have been times in our history where corruption and lawlessness were so pervasive, that examples had to be made. This is one of those times," she said.

She said the FBI and Justice Department have too many "political hacks" embedded, individuals who have never accepted that the American people elected Donald Trump to be commander-in-chief.

"I for one am tired of investigations, politicians posturing. Something more has to be done," Judge Jeanine said. "The stench coming out of the FBI and Justice Department is like that of a Third World country where money and boys and clubs decide elections."

"It's time to take them out in cuffs."
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That's former-judge, current Fox News pundit. My first thought was "why would a judge say that". Then I Googled the name. She's a Fox News host. Oh...
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Originally Posted by slop101 View Post
To be re-elected by that trump base. [/Draven]
Yep. They know that turning against Trump means risking reelection. You saw it once Trump threw his support behind Moore. The GOP fell in line with him.
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Draven, since there are other, ostensibly more competent, right wingers waiting in the line of succession- ask yourself why the R's in Congress and media outlets like Fox are so invested in protecting and shielding Trump from criticism and investigation.
It's certainly NOT because they're all accomplices. It's because Trump provides a world-class distraction from their inability to craft competent legislation. They're getting paid and not producing anything. They only know how to de-struct not con-struct. That is reflected in how Fox News works as well.


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It should be obvious that this goes beyond passing an agenda, as the all the next in lines would be on board with working towards enacting similar legislation.

You also have to strike the answer that this President is just too popular. At 32% approval he doesn't have a whole lot of support in the electorate.
A vocal and active 32% is more influential than a larger percentage of lethargic and passive voters.


I find it interesting that some people can be so scared about the POTENTIAL firing of Mueller that plans need to be made now. Getting all worked up over something that might never happen is not productive. What is so time critical about a firing of Mueller that requires pre-planning to act instantly? Is there not going to be enough time after his firing to plan and act?
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It's certainly NOT because they're all accomplices. It's because Trump provides a world-class distraction from their inability to craft competent legislation. They're getting paid and not producing anything. They only know how to de-struct not con-struct. That is reflected in how Fox News works as well.



A vocal and active 32% is more influential than a larger percentage of lethargic and passive voters.


I find it interesting that some people can be so scared about the POTENTIAL firing of Mueller that plans need to be made now. Getting all worked up over something that might never happen is not productive. What is so time critical about a firing of Mueller that requires pre-planning to act instantly? Is there not going to be enough time after his firing to plan and act?
This last part is particularly noteworthy. Look at the NRA. A relatively small group with lots of money that can mobilize quickly.
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