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Old 09-10-17, 04:19 PM   #1
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UC Berkeley offers counseling to people traumatized by Ben Shapiro’s speech

UC Berkeley will be offering counseling to students and faculty who get traumatized by Ben Shapiro’s upcoming speech.

This is the webpage where UC Berkeley mentions the counseling:

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Ben Shapiro visit: Campus details logistics and resources

Thursday, Sept. 7, 2017

In advance of talk show host Ben Shapiro’s appearance next Thursday, Sept. 14, at UC Berkeley…

Support and counseling services for students, staff and faculty

We are deeply concerned about the impact some speakers may have on individuals’ sense of safety and belonging. No one should be made to feel threatened or harassed simply because of who they are or for what they believe. For that reason, the following support services are being offered and encouraged:

Student support services

Employee (faculty and staff) support services
In case you’re wondering what all the hoopla is about, here is a recent speech that Shapiro gave at UC Santa Barbara. Skip to 8:22 for the beginning of his speech:



I don’t know if that speech is typical of what Shapiro talks about, but it was the first one that showed up when I did this search at YouTube, where many of his other speeches can be viewed:

https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...shapiro+speech
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Old 09-10-17, 04:58 PM   #2
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Re: UC Berkeley offers counseling to people traumatized by Ben Shapiro’s speech

I was reading about Berkeley charging a $15K "security fee", and then reducing his audience by almost half for "safety reasons". lol. But hey, it's Ben's choice. You pay to play there.
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Old 09-10-17, 05:06 PM   #3
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Re: UC Berkeley offers counseling to people traumatized by Ben Shapiro’s speech

Are these support services being offered right now in case some students are being traumatized in advance of any actual speech that might (or might not) take place?

Stress eaters should demand that the officials offer meal tickets since food can be comforting.

Free pizza for a semester ought to reduce the trauma quite nicely.

Or they could issue clubs, mace, pepper spray, and rope to support those who can't afford those essential protest items.
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Old 09-10-17, 07:51 PM   #4
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Re: UC Berkeley offers counseling to people traumatized by Ben Shapiro’s speech

Pizza was my therapy for years. It worked. Side effects were getting fat.
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Old 09-10-17, 08:08 PM   #5
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Re: UC Berkeley offers counseling to people traumatized by Ben Shapiro’s speech

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Are these support services being offered right now in case some students are being traumatized in advance of any actual speech that might (or might not) take place?
Guess what? Pretty much every university offers counseling services all the time. Liberty University does as well and they specifically focus on porn addiction on their website. Why would all those devout religious types be watching so much porn?
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Re: UC Berkeley offers counseling to people traumatized by Ben Shapiro’s speech

Is this Breitbart? Are we supposed to accuse all 12 students who use the counseling services of being "snowflakes"?

This is a perfect example of an insignificant story that right-wing media organizations highlight in their ongoing effort to feed their audience a steady diet of culture-war BS.

Why do these right-wing pundits -- mostly partisan hacks -- continue booking events at Berkeley? It seems like they are intentionally trying to provoke a reaction and raise their profile. The best response is to ignore thse attention-seekers.
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Re: UC Berkeley offers counseling to people traumatized by Ben Shapiro’s speech

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Why do these right-wing pundits -- mostly partisan hacks -- continue booking events at Berkeley? It seems like they are intentionally trying to provoke a reaction and raise their profile. The best response is to ignore thse attention-seekers.
Uh-oh.

Now you've gone and done it.
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Old 09-11-17, 01:19 AM   #8
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Re: UC Berkeley offers counseling to people traumatized by Ben Shapiro’s speech

Meh, no different than those, pre-traumatized by death, spending their entire lives throwing $$$ at a Fairy Tale pinnacle, in the hopes that their essence and bodily fluids go on forever and ever. Nema.
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Re: UC Berkeley offers counseling to people traumatized by Ben Shapiro’s speech

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I was reading about Berkeley charging a $15K "security fee", and then reducing his audience by almost half for "safety reasons". lol. But hey, it's Ben's choice. You pay to play there.

If they only charge that fee for some speakers and not for others, the policy is highly unfair.

Also, it's a form of blaming the victim. Why not charge the people who actually cause violence and vandalism for the security fees? Why should an innocent speaker have to pay for the criminals acts of others?
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Old 09-11-17, 03:22 PM   #10
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Are these support services being offered right now in case some students are being traumatized in advance of any actual speech that might (or might not) take place?

The article at the link just has a link to the regular counseling services that are always available. I suppose anyone who is eligible to receive those services could use them at any time for any reason. So, even before the speech takes place, a person could use those counseling services based on their anxiety of the upcoming speech. Perhaps the counselor might conclude that the person has anxiety issues that actually have nothing to do with the upcoming speech. So the service could have legitimate use.
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Guess what? Pretty much every university offers counseling services all the time. Liberty University does as well and they specifically focus on porn addiction on their website. Why would all those devout religious types be watching so much porn?

Why would a religious college offer porn on its website?
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Old 09-11-17, 03:28 PM   #12
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Is this Breitbart? Are we supposed to accuse all 12 students who use the counseling services of being "snowflakes"?

This is a perfect example of an insignificant story that right-wing media organizations highlight in their ongoing effort to feed their audience a steady diet of culture-war BS.

Why do these right-wing pundits -- mostly partisan hacks -- continue booking events at Berkeley? It seems like they are intentionally trying to provoke a reaction and raise their profile. The best response is to ignore thse attention-seekers.

The link that I posted was to the college's own website.

However, the Los Angeles Times also covered it:


http://www.latimes.com/local/educati...909-story.html

Berkeley braces for right-wing talk show host Ben Shapiro's visit


September 9, 2017

Girding itself for a visit from another polarizing political figure and the possibility of more violent protests, UC Berkeley is tightening campus security.

In a message sent earlier this week, Provost Paul Alivisatos said the university was taking precautions in advance of the Sept. 14 visit by conservative political commentator and former Breitbart editor Ben Shapiro. There will be a “closed perimeter” around the building where Shapiro is scheduled to speak, and an “increased and highly visible police presence.”

A number of university buildings near Zellerbach Hall, the event’s location, will be closed that afternoon. In order to pass through security barriers, people will have to show tickets for the speech.

The university also is offering counseling to students and faculty worried about the event, which is being held at the invitation of the Berkeley College Republicans.

“We are deeply concerned about the impact some speakers may have on individuals’ sense of safety and belonging,” Alivisatos said in the memo posted on the university’s website. “No one should be made to feel threatened or harassed simply because of who they are or for what they believe.”

The memo drew scorn from conservative websites, including the Daily Wire, where Shapiro serves as editor in chief. The site called the measures extreme and criticized them as a sign of the university’s intolerance.

Known as the birthplace of the Free Speech Movement, UC Berkeley has struggled in recent months to strike a balance between public safety and the right of campus organizations to host controversial speakers. Some of these events have drawn protesters more eager to exchange blows than ideas.

Over the spring and into the summer, violent protests shut down appearances by right-wing authors and provocateurs Milo Yiannopoulos and Ann Coulter, who canceled her visit after the campus groups hosting her pulled out.

Last month, Berkeley Chancellor Carol T. Christ announced the launch of a “Free Speech Year” — a series of events meant to show students how to debate issues in a respectful manner.

Christ also acknowledged the need for stricter public safety measures and more police officers.

Under an interim policy, the university is requiring campus groups sponsoring large events to cover basic costs and give notice weeks ahead. Campus police are expected to provide security assessments of any situations that could threaten public safety.

In response to the violence, the Berkeley City Council is considering lifting a two-decade ban on the use of pepper spray by police officers as a crowd-control tactic.

According to a letter from Chief of Police Andrew Greenwood to the mayor and City Council members, officers carry pepper spray on their equipment belts, but department records show they rarely use it. The proposal would allow them to use the spray to subdue “violent activity in a crowd situation.”

“Currently the Berkeley Police Department is hampered during crowd events in addressing coordinated groups of violent offenders because the only tools available are batons, less lethal projectiles, smoke, and tear gas canisters,” Greenwood wrote.

The police chief’s letter includes photographs of recent campus protests showing explosives detonating near officers. Others show black-clad protesters with the anti-fascist movement — commonly known as “antifa” — hitting people with homemade shields and attacking bystanders.

If approved, the amended policy would prohibit police officers from using the spray against “passively-resisting, non-violent individuals.”

The City Council is expected to vote on the proposal Tuesday — two days before Shapiro’s visit.
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Re: UC Berkeley offers counseling to people traumatized by Ben Shapiro’s speech

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The article at the link just has a link to the regular counseling services that are always available. I suppose anyone who is eligible to receive those services could use them at any time for any reason. So, even before the speech takes place, a person could use those counseling services based on their anxiety of the upcoming speech. Perhaps the counselor might conclude that the person has anxiety issues that actually have nothing to do with the upcoming speech. So the service could have legitimate use.
I was being facetious, but your explanation actually is persuasive.

I think a lot more students are worried about loans, term papers (if those are still a thing), whether the football team will have a winning season, or scoring a weekend date, but it's possible that some people may be traumatized in advance before something actually occurs. Or, as you say, they may be anxious about other things, and this is just the proverbial straw.

It would be more understandable if someone were anxious about campus disturbances due to protests/counter-protests, but needing counseling specifically for a speech really seems to indicate that a person has deeper issues that need to be addressed.
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Why do these right-wing pundits -- mostly partisan hacks -- continue booking events at Berkeley? It seems like they are intentionally trying to provoke a reaction and raise their profile. The best response is to ignore thse attention-seekers.
Won't necessarily disagree with you and I will admit, it does seem as if this a tactic that is akin to taking down specific ethnic racial statues. It's for political reasons, only meant to frustrate the opposing enemy, and evoke more division.

Democrats are using statue removals, and Republicans are claiming free speech in places where they probably shouldn't be or don't need to be (which is unfortunate, as it speaks to bias on campus, but that's another post).

And this has all got to stop. Ben could probably do a livestream event and get 100x the amount of viewers, all in the comforts of home or wherever and nobody gets hurt.

And Ben could probably host a speech at a different building and nobody would even know about it until the last minute if they were quiet about it.

So yeah, Ben is probably an attention seeker. But let's not focus on Ben Shapiro and not on your own people who are doing attention-seeking activities, just to piss of their political enemies, ok? Ok.
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DVDP, please try to make more posts that don't engage in whataboutism. This thread has nothing to do with statues of racist slave owning traitors.
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DVDP, please try to make more posts that don't engage in whataboutism. This thread has nothing to do with statues of racist slave owning traitors.
I never said it did. You better read my post again, thanks. Sorry if I cannot write something that 100% agrees with your point of view on the world. It's called diverse opinions, and I respect yours, so respect mine.
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I never said it did. You better read my post again, thanks. Sorry if I cannot write something that 100% agrees with your point of view on the world. It's called diverse opinions, and I respect yours, so respect mine.
I didn't say anything disrespectful. You're trying to equate the removal of Confederate statues with right wing speakers booking talks at Berkeley. The two are not analogous, you are engaging in whataboutism.
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It's not about disrespect. It's about respect. I respect your opinion, but disagree at the same time.

Try it. You might have a more friendly signature in the future.
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I respect your signature and I'd appreciate it if you respected mine.
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Old 09-11-17, 07:03 PM   #20
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Old 09-15-17, 06:18 PM   #21
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Re: UC Berkeley offers counseling to people traumatized by Ben Shapiro’s speech

I watched the entire speech, which makes up the first 28 minutes of this video. (The rest is a Q&A, which I did not watch).

In the speech, Shapiro repeatedly condemns white supremacy. He criticizes the alt-right for being against western civilization. And he cites statistics which prove that having a baby out of wedlock, not racism, is the biggest cause of poverty.

I'd like to thank the social justice warriors who tried to ban this speech for drawing my attention to it. Were it not for them, I never would have watched it.

I didn't detect anything in the speech that would require anyone to receive counseling. But that's just me. If anyone would like to point out some such thing, please do so by telling me the starting and stopping time, so I can rewatch it. Also, please explain why you believe it is traumatizing.


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Old 09-15-17, 06:47 PM   #22
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Never underestimate a human-being's capacity for self-delusion and hysterical outrage. If they had offered counseling services in 1692...
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