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Old 09-12-17, 10:51 AM   #126
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The effectiveness is under debate. The article I posted was the first compelling article I saw arguing against it (even while acknowledging there are times where it might be necessary). The next step would be significant, concentrated, collective effort to build up the working class. This is where most of these groups draw from, disaffected working class whites. It would take a lot of education, but if we could reach out and show them that "white worker" is exploited just as much as "black worker" or "brown worker" or "gay worker" etc, and convince them the only way to slow or stop their exploitation is through unionizing, collective action, etc, that could create the kind of solidarity needed to overcome the odious messages of the far right.
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Should we punch Westboro Baptist Church? Would that make them go away?
That's where my thinking goes when people say it's ok to punch Nazis absent physical attack by the Nazis. Hate groups are hate groups, their ideology implies violence, but either they are all protected under the First Amendment or none of them (and consequently, none of us) are.
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Old 09-12-17, 10:59 AM   #128
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Should we punch Westboro Baptist Church?
Once they start killing people the way Nazis have, sure.
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Old 09-12-17, 11:04 AM   #129
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On punching Nazis defeating the Empire...


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Old 09-12-17, 11:17 AM   #130
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And then the plans are placed in the hands of the white blonde male hero who finally saves the galaxy, and the Rebelion does exactly what all rebellions do, they immediately become exactly what they were fighting against. Hence the Triumph of the Will/Albert Spier inspired medal ceremony. Chewy is denied recognition because he's not a white humanoid.

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Old 09-12-17, 11:22 AM   #131
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And then the plans are placed in the hands of the white blonde male hero who finally saves the galaxy, and the Rebelion does exactly what all rebellions do, they immediately become exactly what they were fighting against. Hence the Triumph of the Will/Albert Spier inspired medal ceremony. Chewy is denied recognition because he's not a white humanoid.

This is fun.
Just because he's hairy doesn't mean he's not white.
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Old 09-12-17, 11:25 AM   #133
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The white blonde male hero has an uncle who is a slave owner. His entire planet treats droids as chattel. And it turns out he is destined to save the galaxy due to the virtue of his birth.

Somebody punch that little fascist.
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Old 09-12-17, 11:26 AM   #134
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The white blonde male hero has an uncle who is a slave owner. His entire planet treats droids as chattel.
Robots, though.
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Old 09-12-17, 11:28 AM   #135
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Old 09-12-17, 11:29 AM   #136
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Robots, though.
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Old 09-13-17, 09:44 AM   #138
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Antifa Still Doesn't Care What the Media Thinks
They're mad as hell and they're not going anywhere.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/g...e-media-thinks
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That's where my thinking goes when people say it's ok to punch Nazis absent physical attack by the Nazis. Hate groups are hate groups, their ideology implies violence, but either they are all protected under the First Amendment or none of them (and consequently, none of us) are.
But the First Amendment doesn't really factor into it. As far as I've seen, the question has been about citizens punching Nazis. Nobody is petitioning the government to make it legal to assault people carrying objectionable signs or advocating for hate groups. Presumably, anyone punching a Nazi would be held accountable for their actions and understands that in advance.
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But the First Amendment doesn't really factor into it. As far as I've seen, the question has been about citizens punching Nazis. Nobody is petitioning the government to make it legal to assault people carrying objectionable signs or advocating for hate groups. Presumably, anyone punching a Nazi would be held accountable for their actions and understands that in advance.
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Old 09-13-17, 10:57 AM   #141
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the first amendment aspect is when a public school like Berkeley prevents or discourages their student republican group from inviting conservative speakers on campus because of previous violence by Antifa.
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Antifa Still Doesn't Care What the Media Thinks
They're mad as hell and they're not going anywhere.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/g...e-media-thinks
Uh oh. Are we going to have an Antifa president in 2020, the same way we have an Alt-Right/white supremacist president right now? I don't like these "movements".
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Old 09-13-17, 11:53 AM   #143
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Sen. Tim Scott To Meet With Trump Over Charlottesville Response

http://www.npr.org/2017/09/13/550462...ville-response
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the first amendment aspect is when a public school like Berkeley prevents or discourages their student republican group from inviting conservative speakers on campus because of previous violence by Antifa.
They still have their right to speak, just not anywhere they want. The where they speak aspect involves the rights of others to control what happens in areas they are responsible for.
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Sen. Tim Scott To Meet With Trump Over Charlottesville Response

http://www.npr.org/2017/09/13/550462...ville-response
The problem with this is that Trump has proven he'll adjust to whomever is talking to him. He won't argue with Scott. He'll nod his head, agree, say whatever he needs to say to keep the conversation positive for him. Then Scott will leave and he'll go right back to being the racist shitbag he always is.

He only "talks tough" when no one is able to respond to him. That's why you hear it at rallies or when he's giving speeches.
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Old 09-13-17, 12:33 PM   #146
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Nazi in Slayer shirt punches woman, no big deal right?

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the first amendment aspect is when a public school like Berkeley prevents or discourages their student republican group from inviting conservative speakers on campus because of previous violence by Antifa.
UC Berkeley is a public institution, but does that mean they are required to give a platform to any speaker who wants to book an auditorium and speak there? Would that not mean they're infringing on the rights to free speech of anyone who isn't currently speaking at Berkeley but might like to?
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Old 09-13-17, 04:11 PM   #148
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They still have their right to speak, just not anywhere they want. The where they speak aspect involves the rights of others to control what happens in areas they are responsible for.
Like when I tell tourists to fuck off and get out of my town? They have the right eat breakfast, but not in front of me in line.
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Like when I tell tourists to fuck off and get out of my town? They have the right eat breakfast, but not in front of me in line.
What's really sad is I don't think you actually see the difference.
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Old 09-13-17, 04:30 PM   #150
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Like when I tell tourists to fuck off and get out of my town? They have the right eat breakfast, but not in front of me in line.
Actually this is an excellent example. Mabuse has the right to use his free speech to throw whiny baby hissy fits, but if he does it in a restaurant he may be asked to leave.

Freedom of speech, not freedom from consequences.
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