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Old 09-11-17, 04:47 PM   #101
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I'm not a liberal, I'm a leftist. Police exist to protect capital and punish those who are made to suffer in capitalist systems. The military is an engine of imperialist endless war, designed to leech resources from other countries and undermine their sovereignty, to the benefit of US capitalists.

The problem is systemic, and even "good" cops or soldiers are perpetuating a system of brutal oppression and inequality.
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Old 09-11-17, 04:52 PM   #102
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I'm not a liberal, I'm a leftist. Police exist to protect capital and punish those who are made to suffer in capitalist systems. The military is an engine of imperialist endless war, designed to leech resources from other countries and undermine their sovereignty, to the benefit of US capitalists.

The problem is systemic, and even "good" cops or soldiers are perpetuating a system of brutal oppression and inequality.
So how are you posting this? Using a computer that you purchased in this capitalist society, therefore perpetuating brutal oppression and inequality?

Fuck dude, get a grip. Nothing is perfect, but your thought process isn't doing shit to help anyone. I'm all for flushing out the shitty cops, politicians, and corporations that take advantage of us, but your Scorched Earth ideals aren't really helping.
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Old 09-11-17, 05:13 PM   #103
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The only way I could not participate in capitalism is if I flew to a deserted island with nothing and built everything I need by hand. I get by in a capitalist society because I have to. The idea that socialists could willfully disengage from capitalism without any struggle is nonsense.

Calling out the systemic inequalities that our society is built on isn't pleasant, but it is necessary. And we don't have to like it, but we also don't have to take it lying down either.
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Old 09-11-17, 05:17 PM   #104
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The good cops are personally responsible for the corrupt ones, but you're in the clear of capitalism, since you pout? Got it.
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Old 09-11-17, 05:23 PM   #105
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The good cops are personally responsible for the corrupt ones, but you're in the clear of capitalism, since you pout? Got it.
I most certainly do benefit from the circumstances of my birth, middle class and white in the United States at the end of the 20th century. The difference is I recognize how much of my quality of life is due to that accident of birth, and further how much of it is due to exploitation of the poor, minorities, and other countries.

And recognizing the material conditions of our country and its systemic inequities isn't pouting. I work with leftist groups towards the ultimate goal of undoing these systems, but you can't undo it if you can't recognize it. I'm sorry if this makes you feel uncomfortable or upset.
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Old 09-11-17, 05:30 PM   #106
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And what are you doing to help those who are less fortunate? Posting here?

Change happens via action. You can either continue being the mirror image of Creekdipper (opposite, yet just as far-fetched) or you can make meaningful changes. DVDTalk posts do nothing. You're changing zero minds here. My personal mission is animal welfare, and I talk very little about it, because I prefer to do.

But I'm sure you'll explain away, keep raging, continue battling the batshit crazy Right, and continue not getting anywhere.
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Old 09-11-17, 05:35 PM   #107
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I shouldn't even step into this, but what does a leftist do if say, someone is trying to break into one's house? Or one's car is stolen? Get antifa to take care of it?
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Old 09-11-17, 05:40 PM   #108
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And what are you doing to help those who are less fortunate? Posting here?

Change happens via action. You can either continue being the mirror image of Creekdipper (opposite, yet just as far-fetched) or you can make meaningful changes. DVDTalk posts do nothing. You're changing zero minds here. My personal mission is animal welfare, and I talk very little about it, because I prefer to do.

But I'm sure you'll explain away, keep raging, continue battling the batshit crazy Right, and continue not getting anywhere.
You do animal welfare and still post here. I work with leftist groups and also post here. What's your point?
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You do animal welfare and still post here. I work with leftist groups and also post here. What's your point?
Because you claim capitalism is pure evil, and you're just as much of a part of it as anyone else, fucking typing away on your capitalist phone/computer. I'm not touting animal rights while eating a cheeseburger.
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Old 09-11-17, 05:54 PM   #110
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Have you seen the bigger piggies
In their starched blue shirts?
You will find the bigger piggies
Stirring up the dirt
Always have clean shirts to play around in

In their styes with all their backing
They don't care what goes on around
In their eyes there's something lacking
What they need's a damn good whacking

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Old 09-11-17, 05:55 PM   #111
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Because you claim capitalism is pure evil, and you're just as much of a part of it as anyone else, fucking typing away on your capitalist phone/computer. I'm not touting animal rights while eating a cheeseburger.
I'm a vegan too, but that's something that's actually possible in a capitalist system. Fully removing yourself from a capitalist system while you live in one is impossible. All you can do is work to undo it, but unfortunately it doesn't happen overnight.

Your argument is like saying, "if you're such an environmentalist, why do you have any carbon footprint at all??"
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Old 09-11-17, 06:48 PM   #112
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Have you seen the bigger piggies
In their starched blue shirts?
You will find the bigger piggies
Stirring up the dirt
Always have clean shirts to play around in

In their styes with all their backing
They don't care what goes on around
In their eyes there's something lacking
What they need's a damn good whacking

Oink oink.
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Old 09-11-17, 07:18 PM   #113
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Quite on purpose.
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Old 09-11-17, 08:22 PM   #114
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Looks like American white supremacists have a friend in Israel named Yari Netanyahu.

Netanyahu’s son removes anti-Semitic meme from Facebook following outcry

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.928e8ed75c1c
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Old 09-11-17, 08:45 PM   #115
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Chelan Co. Sheriff addresses meme of car plowing protesters on Chelan Co. Facebook page

http://www.khq.com/story/36338789/ch...-facebook-page
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Old 09-11-17, 10:22 PM   #116
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Serious question. Does 'punch-a-nazi' work, and if so, how?

I ask because on this forum, which as we all know is a true microcosm of America, 'punch-a-nazi' seems to simply cause conservatives here to become more angered by the left.

What's the endgame?
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Old 09-11-17, 10:26 PM   #117
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If your asking me, it is to get dullards to understand that being sucker punched isn't even close to being on the same level as running people over, lynching them, cooking them in ovens, etc.

Others can use the pat the back of their hand method.
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If your asking me, it is to get dullards to understand that being sucker punched isn't even close to being on the same level as running people over, lynching them, cooking them in ovens, etc.

Others can use the pat the back of their hand method.
I'm asking everyone who participates in the discussion.

Am I correct in reading that you're saying if you punch a KKK member it's a preemptive warning of worse to come?

Again, being serious, and for what it's worth, I am a card-carrying liberal, never supported Trump, etc. etc.
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Couldn't say, haven't had a klani or nazi talk shit in my face. If they did get knocked on their ass, at least the intent wasn't to kill, such as those listed in my previous post. On the other hand, can I understand if people end up taking arms against them, sure I can.
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There could be multiple reasons for punching Nazis: To show them they can't spew hatred anywhere without consequences, to defend people they're threatening, to tell them they're not welcome in your town/city. The outcry from the right isn't a consideration, because the right is always going to side with white supremacy.
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Old 09-12-17, 12:44 AM   #121
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White supremacy and love...

An interesting take. Olly talks about how hate groups consider themselves to be love groups.
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There could be multiple reasons for punching Nazis: To show them they can't spew hatred anywhere without consequences, to defend people they're threatening, to tell them they're not welcome in your town/city. The outcry from the right isn't a consideration, because the right is always going to side with white supremacy.
All good reasons, especially the last two. But the question is, (as per that one article someone posted) is it effective? And if not, what is the next step?
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Old 09-12-17, 02:08 AM   #123
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All good reasons, especially the last two. But the question is, (as per that one article someone posted) is it effective? And if not, what is the next step?
The effectiveness is under debate. The article I posted was the first compelling article I saw arguing against it (even while acknowledging there are times where it might be necessary). The next step would be significant, concentrated, collective effort to build up the working class. This is where most of these groups draw from, disaffected working class whites. It would take a lot of education, but if we could reach out and show them that "white worker" is exploited just as much as "black worker" or "brown worker" or "gay worker" etc, and convince them the only way to slow or stop their exploitation is through unionizing, collective action, etc, that could create the kind of solidarity needed to overcome the odious messages of the far right.
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Gotta love Idaho Nazis

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/...andpoint-idaho

Hate Literature in E-mail Flyers Hits Sandpoint, Idaho

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Old 09-12-17, 10:39 AM   #125
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Should we punch Westboro Baptist Church? Would that make them go away?
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