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Old 07-25-18, 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by grundle View Post
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I don't know if her statement is accurate or not.

But I think it's interesting that she refers to tax cuts as a "cost."

I view tax cuts as a "savings."

I guess it depends on if you're looking at it from the point of view of the government, or the point of view of the taxpayers.
I mean, there has to be a cost associated with tax cuts right? Hypothetically we could not charge anyone any tax and that would be awesome for a few weeks, but not having a military, a VA, medicaid, any government agencies or other federal programs would obviously be an unacceptable result and the personal financial benefits would not justify the cost to the government.

I agree her wording is maybe a little off (though honestly I can't think of a better word, maybe "total sum"), but there's more to it than just "savings" involved in cutting taxes.
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Old 07-25-18, 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Decker View Post
I mean, there has to be a cost associated with tax cuts right? Hypothetically we could not charge anyone any tax and that would be awesome for a few weeks, but not having a military, a VA, medicaid, any government agencies or other federal programs would obviously be an unacceptable result and the personal financial benefits would not justify the cost to the government.

I agree her wording is maybe a little off (though honestly I can't think of a better word, maybe "total sum"), but there's more to it than just "savings" involved in cutting taxes.
OK. What you said makes sense.

Also, I'd be willing to accept the following compromise on forgiving student debt:

Forgive the students debt. But instead of making the taxpayers pay for it, make the specific college that the student attended pay for it.
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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez just said: “Just last year we gave the military a $700 billion budget increase.”

I immediately knew that couldn’t possibly be true, because the entire budget of the military is approximately that amount.

So I did some googling, and came up with this CNBC article from last year, which is titled, “Senate passes $700 billion defense policy bill, backing Trump call for steep increase in military spending.”

So it’s just as I had thought. The $700 billion does not represent the increase. Instead, it represents the total military budget.

Ocasio-Cortez was either deliberately lying when she said the $700 billion was an increase, or she has an incredibly extreme ignorance of the federal budget.

I don’t think she was deliberately lying.

Instead, I think she is extremely ignorant about the numbers in the federal budget.
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And in the end that's Representative Ocasio-Cortez to you Grundle.
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I'm a little surprised most people seem to be taking Ocasio-Cortez at face value.
Maybe people still don't understand, or believe, that Putin was involved in pushing both Bernie and Jill Stein in 2016. Hopefully some upcoming indictments will help more people see how Putin plays both ends against the middle.

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I'm a little surprised most people seem to be taking Ocasio-Cortez at face value.
Because not everything is a conspiracy.
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And in the end that's Representative Ocasio-Cortez to you Grundle.

I hope she wins.
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Old 07-28-18, 01:45 PM
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This is just a little mistake, and I don't hold it against her.

That being said, it's funny as heck:

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NPR - Russian Hackers target Sen Claire McCaskill's campaign

When Russian hackers targeted the staff of Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., they took aim at maybe the most vulnerable sector of U.S. elections: campaigns.

McCaskill's Senate staff received fake emails, as first reported by The Daily Beast, in an apparent attempt by Russia's GRU intelligence agency to gain access to passwords. McCaskill released a statement confirming the attack, but said there's no indication the attack was successful.

"Russia continues to engage in cyber warfare against our democracy. I will continue to speak out and press to hold them accountable," McCaskill said. "I will not be intimidated. I've said it before and I will say it again, Putin is a thug and a bully."


Russians Unsuccessfully Tried To Hack Computers Of Democratic Sen. Claire McCaskill
The Missouri Democrat is running for re-election in November, in a state President Trump won by almost 20 percentage points; she's widely considered among the most vulnerable Democrats running for re-election in the Senate this year.

Although the attack on her staff is the first known instance of a Russian attempt at the kind of cyber-intrusion used on the Clinton campaign with great success in 2016, there's reason to believe it won't be the last.

Tom Burt, Microsoft's vice president of security and trust, said last week that three candidates standing for election in the 2018 midterms were the target of phishing attempts that Microsoft detected. The Daily Beast concluded based on other evidence that McCaskill was among those three, but it remains unclear who the other targets were.

"They were all people who because of their positions, might have been interesting people from an espionage standpoint, as well as an election disruption standpoint," Burt said.

Week Of Trump Reversals Puts 2018 Election Security In The Spotlight
Eric Rosenbach, who served as the chief of staff for the Department of Defense from 2015-2017 and also previously oversaw the Pentagon's cyber-activities, said based on his experience in national security, there's no reason to believe those will be or have been the only campaign hack attempts.

"The fact that you find one part of a Russian cyber-intrusion or attack, usually means that you've only found a very small part of it," Rosenbach said. "It probably means that [attacks] like this are much more widespread, that they may be, in fact, in the campaigns of many close Senate races... You just always have to operate as if you've only found the beginning of what is probably a much more complex problem and situation."

Rosenbach now leads the Defending Digital Democracy project at Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government, a project aimed at helping state and local election officials, as well as campaigns, grapple with the new reality: much of their work is now digital, and they have a target on their backs.

Campaigns are "the most vulnerable" aspect of U.S. elections, Rosenbach said, because they often don't have the time or money to develop long-term cybersecurity plans, and they're bringing on new staff and volunteers all the time — often without adequate training.

The Russia Investigations: What You Need To Know About Russian 'Active Measures'
Rosenbach worked with Mitt Romney's 2012 campaign manager, Matt Rhodes, and Hillary Clinton's 2016 campaign manager, Robby Mook, on creating a cybersecurity playbook for campaign managers.

"People have this perception of campaigns that comes from movies and TV shows, like House of Cards, where they're very sophisticated operations," said Rhodes, when he spoke to NPR in the spring. "The only thing that is actually consistent with the movies when it comes to campaigns is people eat a lot of pizza. They're not that sophisticated."

Mook added, "the irony of campaigns is they are the grittiest and least valuable startups out there, but they're incredibly valuable targets."

Much of the risk of the sort of phishing attack successfully executed in 2016 on John Podesta, chairman of the Clinton campaign, and the Democratic National Committee, and attempted this year on McCaskill's staff, could be mitigated with two-factor authentication, said Mark Nunnikhoven, a vice president of the cybersecurity firm Trend Micro.

Two-factor authentication makes it so anyone wishing to access an email account must not only have a username and password, but also another form of verification, like a code that can be texted to a cellphone number. It's a cybersecurity measure offered by all major email providers at no cost, but Nunnikhoven said "the challenge is getting people to use it."

The added step is inconvenient, but it renders most phishing attempts useless.

"This is a constant challenge of cybersecurity, getting people to understand tradeoffs," Nunnikhoven said. "It's a minor bump in the user experience, but it's a huge security win."

But campaigns need to begin taking steps like that, Rosenbach said, because until the United States can implement a foreign policy that effectively deters foreign nations from interfering digitally in elections, they will continue. If it's not Russia, he also said, it will be someone else.

"It's hard for me to believe," said Rosenbach, "that campaign infrastructure won't be under attack for decades, maybe centuries to come."
Yeah Pres Trump, the Russians clearly want the Dems to win in the fall.
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I don't know if her statement is accurate or not.

But I think it's interesting that she refers to tax cuts as a "cost."

I view tax cuts as a "savings."

I guess it depends on if you're looking at it from the point of view of the government, or the point of view of the taxpayers.

And although her statement is not an explicit endorsement of student debt forgiveness, I don't think it's irrational to interpret it as being such an endorsement.

I think paying back one's debt is a sign of having moral character. If one becomes disabled, or has sky high medical bills, or has their house destroyed in a natural disaster, OK, then I can see why it might be OK to forgive student debt. But to just forgive all student debt is completely unfair to the people who did pay off their student debt.

In other statements, she has said that she wants free college for everyone. This misses the point that the huge number of students who are already calling for debt forgiveness suggests that there are too many people attending college, not too few. We don't need even more people with worthless college degrees. Instead, we need more people learning how to be truck drivers, electricians, carpenters, plumbers, welders, and other things that are actually useful in the real world.
Except...that is EXTREMLY short sighted.

Take your truck driver example. That would be a terrible, awful position to get in. We are moving to self driving and higher capacity options. It will happen it is not a matter of “if” but “when”.

The point of a degree is not to instantly give you a transferable skill. My daughter in Aug will graduate with a Masters in education (focusing on behavior and Kinesiology). That will not instantly make her ready for anything. What it does show is her ability to learn anything. College is about learning how to learn. So that you can learn a new trade if the one you are goes under (see coal miners).

Now, I don’t really have an issue with expanding Community Colleges to include “tech” items. I went to a community college that had a lot of auto mechanic stuff going on. But you had to take a well rounded group of classes.

Education is never a bad thing. Or are you suggesting we have a ton of people that need government help even though they have a undergrad or masters degree? If so, please give a citation. Every study I have seen says those with degrees earn more than those that do not.
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Originally Posted by grundle View Post
This is just a little mistake, and I don't hold it against her.

That being said, it's funny as heck:

Oh, shit, Paul_SD is right! She's a commie agent secretly trying to throw the midterms to the GOP!
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Oh, shit, Paul_SD is right! She's a commie agent secretly trying to throw the midterms to the GOP!
I look at stuff like this

At a Kansas City, Kansas rally, Ocasio-Cortez tossed her support behind Brent Welder, a labor lawyer and 2016 campaign lieutenant for Sanders. But her endorsement of Welder has rankled some on the left, who complain she spurned Sharice Davids, a Native American lesbian mixed martial arts fighter who was born and reared in Kansas, whereas Welder was raised in Iowa.

Welder's campaign says its raised $105,697 online and netted 254 new volunteers since Ocasio-Cortez and Sanders showed up last weekend.

In Missouri's 1st Congressional District covering St. Louis, where Democrat Lacy Clay has held the seat for 17 years, it's personal for Ocasio-Cortez. She met Clay's primary challenger, Cori Bush, at a Brand New Congress conference in Kentucky last year and the two have remained in close contact ever since.
A carpetbagger being promoted by a Democratic Socialist from NYC. An already solid Dem seat being primaried.
I'm sure that plays fine across the country, butI have a feeling what is going to happen is more fractioning the Dem vote (something Bernie is very familiar with) to the ultimate end of maintaining or flipping to a red seat.

She's young, she's attractive. She could be a strong voice in the future if she takes time to learn what she's doing and we get to see a voting record with which to judge her words and deeds. What going on right now seems recklessly premature to me.

Don't be fooled by the Republican protestations. They can't wait to tie their Dem opponents to a Democratic Socialist. They are all licking their chops at the prospect of it as we type.

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Except...that is EXTREMLY short sighted.

Take your truck driver example. That would be a terrible, awful position to get in. We are moving to self driving and higher capacity options. It will happen it is not a matter of “if” but “when”.

The point of a degree is not to instantly give you a transferable skill. My daughter in Aug will graduate with a Masters in education (focusing on behavior and Kinesiology). That will not instantly make her ready for anything. What it does show is her ability to learn anything. College is about learning how to learn. So that you can learn a new trade if the one you are goes under (see coal miners).

Now, I don’t really have an issue with expanding Community Colleges to include “tech” items. I went to a community college that had a lot of auto mechanic stuff going on. But you had to take a well rounded group of classes.

Education is never a bad thing. Or are you suggesting we have a ton of people that need government help even though they have a undergrad or masters degree? If so, please give a citation. Every study I have seen says those with degrees earn more than those that do not.

Of course those with college degrees earn more than those who do not have a college degree.

But the subject that the person majored in also matters.

Any time I hear someone demanding that their college debt be forgiven, I take it to mean that that person is complaining that their degree is not worth anywhere nearly as much as they had thought it would be when they first decided to borrow the money.

If their degree is so great, when why would they be demanding debt forgiveness?
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Don't be fooled by the Republican protestations. They can't wait to tie their Dem opponents to a Democratic Socialist. They are all licking their chops at the prospect of it as we type.

I have nothing against the democratic socialist polices of Sweden. They have plenty of private property, and big coprorations that make giant profits.

What I do have a problem with is that Ocasio-Cortez has not said whether she agrees or disagrees with these two parts of the platform of the Democratic Socialists of America, which she is a member of:

"we reject an economic order based on private profit"

and

"we share a vision of a humane social order based on popular control of resources and production"

If she ever specifically says she opposes both of those things, that would be great.

As long as she remains silent, I can only think that it's highly likely (although not certain, as I have no proof) that she agrees with both of those things.

Those two things are completely different than the democratic socialism of Sweden. Those two things are much more in line with the current situation in Venezuela.

Bernie Sanders said that Hugo Chavez was a "communist dictator."

I'm curious to know if Ocasio-Cortez agrees or disagrees with Sanders.
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Maybe people still don't understand, or believe, that Putin was involved in pushing both Bernie and Jill Stein in 2016.
who is to say she is the only one planted, there could be many candidates like her planted in every state that we don't even know about. I think the message becomes clear: don't trust anyone and don't vote! The candidate you think you're supporting could be a shadow puppet from Putin!

*is that what we're trying to say? It seems like it with some of these conspiracy twitter types like Garland
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who is to say she is the only one planted, there could be many candidates like her planted in every state that we don't even know about. I think the message becomes clear: don't trust anyone and don't vote! The candidate you think you're supporting could be a shadow puppet from Putin!

*is that what we're trying to say? It seems like it with some of these conspiracy twitter types like Garland
You took away the wrong message. My fault for not bolding it the first time.

Hopefully some upcoming indictments will help more people see how Putin plays both ends against the middle.
(CNN)Tuesday, June 26, 2018, should go down as a great day for Donald Trump. He had a big win in the Supreme Court on his travel ban, and several moderate Democrats were defeated by more extreme left-wing candidates.

Among them is avowed socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a 28-year-old Latina woman who defeated Joe Crowley, dealing a major blow to Democratic leadership in the House. Crowley was considered by many the likely next Democratic speaker.

This is a pretty big deal for Democrats, as they search for a way to defeat the Republican Party in 2018 and Donald Trump in 2020.
This push further left can have disastrous effects for the Democrats, however, and the one who will ultimately reap the rewards is Trump. The risk is that candidates chosen in Democratic primaries will advocate views that are too far left for the voters who will show up in the November election.
This is the same thing that other noted twitter conspiracists like James Comey and Barack Obama have tweeted recently too.
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Sharice Davids, a Native American lesbian mixed martial arts fighter
She needs to be in Congress...
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Meanwhile, in Virginia's 5th District ....

Dem Congressional Candidate Leslie Cockburn Calls Out GOP Opponent for His Love of Bigfoot Erotica

The Democratic challenger in Virginia’s 5th Congressional District, Leslie Cockburn called out her opponent, GOP nominee Denver Riggleman, for his love of Bigfoot erotica.

Cockburn posted the claims on Twitter noting that Riggleman was a “running mate of Corey Stewart” who she called a white supremacist.

Cockburn tweeted out: “My opponent Denver Riggleman, running mate of Corey Stewart, was caught on camera campaigning with a white supremacist. Now he has been exposed as a devotee of Bigfoot erotica. This is not what we need on Capitol Hill.”

Her evidence included a drawing of a naked bigfoot with a large and long censored bar over the presumptive location of bigfoot’s privates that Riggleman had posted on Instagram.

She also posted a second image with Riggleman’s face pasted on top of another naked but censored sasquatch.

Riggleman just started his campaign after being named to replace Rep. Thomas Garrett on the ballot in a red-leaning district in June.

WaPo reports on the match-up:

The craft distillery owner and former Air Force intelligence officer will face Democrat Leslie Cockburn, a journalist, author and first-time candidate trying to capitalize on opposition to President Trump in Charlottesville and other liberal enclaves in Virginia’s 5th Congressional District.

The district is among about 100 nationwide that Democrats are targeting in hopes of taking control of the House in the midterm elections.

It is a reliably red seat, but the pressure was on activists to choose a candidate who can unite hard-line conservative, libertarian and moderate Republicans and overcome a blue wave if it materializes.

“You’ve never seen a fighter like Denver Riggleman,” the nominee said in a speech after his selection. “I’ve been through hell, and I’ve got hell to give!”
Riggleman says the posts were meant as a joke from his military buddies and described Cockburn’s tweeted out accusations as “absurd.”
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Edit: I forgot the link at first; click through if you want to see naked (censored) bigfoot.

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Pretty stupid thing to call him out on, if you ask me.
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Pretty stupid thing to call him out on, if you ask me.
Truly, we live in the stupidest of all possible times.
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But also this

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Pretty stupid thing to call him out on, if you ask me.
But her name is Cockburn.

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And then there is the (so-called) #WalkAway movement. If people actually take that seriously, it could have an impact on the mid-term elections.
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Truly, we live in the stupidest of all possible times.
That is indeed the truest statement ever...

https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/27/1...m-ghost-riding

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Drake’s new album Scorpion is all over YouTube and Instagram right now, in part thanks to a challenge issued by Instagrammer TheShiggyShow, which has people dancing to “In My Feelings.” The song mentions a character named Keke, and the “Keke Challenge” meme has become a viral sensation. While it can be performed anywhere, some of the biggest videos have people stepping out of moving cars to boogie in the streets. That particular version of the meme — an echo of an earlier viral fad referred to as “ghost-riding the whip” — has gotten bad enough that a government agency has put out an official notice reminding people that they shouldn’t break the law just to make a funny video.

As Jalopnik reports, The National Transportation Safety Board, a committee that investigates transportation accidents and advocates for better safety measures, took to Facebook earlier this week to warn people about the dangers of the “In My Feelings challenge.”

“#Distraction in any mode is dangerous & can be deadly,” NTSB warned. “Whether you are a #driver, #pilot, or #operator, focus on safely operating your vehicle.”

BOTTOM LINE: DON’T BREAK THE LAW AND RISK YOUR LIFE FOR A VIDEO
Maybe this seems like obvious advice, much like when the American Association of Poison Control Centers warned the public that Tide Pods are poisonous and should not be eaten for an online challenge. But some videos floating around of failed attempts to get out of moving cars show that people don’t always use their best judgment about things like this. Real people have gotten hurt trying the challenge, while others have narrowly missed getting into accidents.

“Motor vehicle crashes are the leading cause of death in the U.S.,” Nicholas Worrell, chief of safety advocacy at the National Transportation Safety Board, told The Blast. “Hopping out of a moving vehicle or jumping into lanes of traffic to show your dance moves is foolish and dangerous — to you and those around you.”

Part of the problem is that the danger is a part of the “fun” — celebrities like Will Smith have made a point to go to out-of-the-way places to make impressive videos while expanding on the Keke Challenge meme. While in cases like these, influencers often tell fans to not copy them, impressive footage of people doing seemingly cool stuff isn’t doing much to dissuade people from assuming these stunts are safe, and emulating them.
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Pretty stupid thing to call him out on, if you ask me.
White supremacy, or wanting be cornholed by Sasquatch?
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