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Old 11-20-18, 04:17 PM
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This is wonderfully savage...

https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/statu...77742117171200

The far right does seem to have a bigger hard-on for her than just about any other liberal out there right now.
A smart, young, non-white woman. It's anti-everything these Republican representatives stand for.

BTW, here's her "mistake":

Ocasio-Cortez said: “If we work our butts off to make sure that we take back all three chambers of Congress — Uh, rather, all three chambers of government: the presidency, the Senate, and the House,” the congresswoman-elect said. “We can’t start working in 2020.”
She misspoke and immediately corrected herself. Yeah, what a scandal.
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Old 11-20-18, 04:20 PM
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Sarah Palin is a fine one to talk about people not knowing stuff.
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Re: 2018 Congressional, Governor, etc election thread

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The "conservative" opinion blogger at The Washington Post
Would you have any respect for anyone without those specific views?
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Old 11-20-18, 05:14 PM
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Would you have any respect for anyone without those specific views?
Yes.
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Would you have any respect for anyone without those specific views?
Alt-right is the new conservative. Anyone to the left of Richard Spencer is viewed by them as a hippie pinko commie.
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Old 11-20-18, 05:29 PM
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This letter from a group of conservative leaders may explain why it is amusing when Jennifer Rubin is identified as a conservative:
“We, of course, respect the right of The Washington Post to employ whatever writers it pleases — even Jennifer Rubin," reads the letter addressed to the Post's editorial board from more than three dozen conservatives. "However, we ask for the sake of intellectual honesty that the Post cease to identify her as in any way 'conservative.'
"Given the Post’s standing as an important platform for political opinion in our nation’s capital, we also respectfully request that you consider hiring a voice who can eloquently and effectively defend the positions held by our President, his party, and the millions of voters who elected him," the letter continues. "We would be happy to provide recommendations.”
“In truth, it is nearly impossible to discern any conservatism in Rubin’s contemporary writing,” the letter adds, accusing Rubin of reversing her previous positions on climate change, gun control, Middle East foreign policy, tax cuts, immigration,and abortion.
"Anyone following Rubin’s writing closely at this point would rightfully find the claim that she is ‘conservative’ laughable. And yet, she is still regularly touted in the media as a conservative voice — and by your own paper as ‘reporting from a center-right perspective."
From The Hill
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Old 11-20-18, 06:00 PM
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This letter from a group of conservative leaders may explain why it is amusing when Jennifer Rubin is identified as a conservative:


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That letter literally explains nothing, other than that its writers have a slavish devotion to Donald Trump and the Republican Party, which many people, including yes, conservatives, do not think is taking the United States in the right direction.
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Old 11-20-18, 06:15 PM
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That letter literally explains nothing, other than that its writers have a slavish devotion to Donald Trump and the Republican Party, which many people, including yes, conservatives, do not think is taking the United States in the right direction.
I can see why you would say that - do you think there are any examples on the left that oppose their party or leadership in thought, words or writings that are still called "liberal"?
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Old 11-20-18, 06:29 PM
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I thought Mia Love had this one! Not sure if this makes Trump Happy or sad
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Old 11-20-18, 06:59 PM
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With Ben McAdams winning, that makes 39 seats gained by the Democratic party in the house chamber. Two elections remain to be called:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">To finish with a 40-seat gain, Democrats will either have to prevail in a recount in Georgia's 7th, where the Dem candidate is down 419 votes after the first count, or prevail in California's 21st, where they're still doing the first count and the Dem has been closing the gap.</p>&mdash; Daniel Dale (@ddale8) <a href="https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1065025827287511045?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 20, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Also, it looks like Nancy Pelosi has the votes to be speaker of the house come January.
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Old 11-20-18, 07:19 PM
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Chris Collins (NY-27) has been declared the winner - I honestly did not think that was going to happen.
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Old 11-20-18, 08:28 PM
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This letter from a group of conservative leaders may explain why it is amusing when Jennifer Rubin is identified as a conservative:


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Yeah, there is no one of any intellectual honesty who can defend the positions of this President. I would LOVE to see their recommendations though.
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Old 11-20-18, 08:30 PM
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Chris Collins (NY-27) has been declared the winner - I honestly did not think that was going to happen.
Another criminal to add to the Republican pile #MAGA
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Old 11-20-18, 08:33 PM
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Yeah, there is no one of any intellectual honesty who can defend the positions of this President. I would LOVE to see their recommendations though.
I asked earlier -

Are there any examples on the left that oppose their party, base or leadership in words, writings or thought that are still called "liberal"?
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Old 11-20-18, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by mspmms View Post
I asked earlier -

Are there any examples on the left that oppose their party, base or leadership in words, writings or thought that are still called "liberal"?
Who do you consider the “leadership”? There are certainly those who oppose what Bernie thinks or Pelosi thinks or Clinton thinks.

On the Republican side, it’s “bow down to Trump or else you’re out of the party”.
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Old 11-20-18, 08:48 PM
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I asked earlier -

Are there any examples on the left that oppose their party, base or leadership in words, writings or thought that are still called "liberal"?
Tons. Bill Maher regularly criticizes the Democratic Party and liberals in general. But this might be more of what you mean:

http://sdcitybeat.com/news-and-opini...here%E2%80%A6/

This was an opinion piece that came out during the Kavanaugh hearings. As you'd expect, much criticism of Kavanaugh, McConnell, et al. But a few paragraphs in, she lays into Joe Biden (who some think may run in 2020, and others say would have won handily in 2016)
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Old 11-20-18, 09:00 PM
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Tons. Bill Maher regularly criticizes the Democratic Party and liberals in general. But this might be more of what you mean:

http://sdcitybeat.com/news-and-opini...here%E2%80%A6/

This was an opinion piece that came out during the Kavanaugh hearings. As you'd expect, much criticism of Kavanaugh, McConnell, et al. But a few paragraphs in, she lays into Joe Biden (who some think may run in 2020, and others say would have won handily in 2016)
Thanks -

In my reading of it Aaryn Belfer seems to come off more of an *angry progressive type


*especially to men.
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Old 11-20-18, 09:05 PM
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Who do you consider the “leadership”? There are certainly those who oppose what Bernie thinks or Pelosi thinks or Clinton thinks.

On the Republican side, it’s “bow down to Trump or else you’re out of the party”.
Were there any who did not bow to Obama? Besides Hillary who after running aganst him, eventually did.
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Old 11-20-18, 09:20 PM
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Were there any who did not bow to Obama? Besides Hillary who after running aganst him, eventually did.
I’m sure liberals disagreed with Obama. I don’t think liberal leaders and representatives agreed with Obama simply out of fear of what he’d do to them if they didn’t.

Can’t say the same for Trump. Look at his response to those who lost during the midterms - they didn’t kiss his ring, they paid the price.
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Old 11-20-18, 09:34 PM
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I’m sure liberals disagreed with Obama. I don’t think liberal leaders and representatives agreed with Obama simply out of fear of what he’d do to them if they didn’t.

Can’t say the same for Trump. Look at his response to those who lost during the midterms - they didn’t kiss his ring, they paid the price.
I am gonna disagree using Hillary again. I believe Obama made her Secretary of State to keep her out of the way (and in fear of what she could do to him out there on the trail)

And it was in was in her best interest politically, so she took the position.
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Old 11-20-18, 10:03 PM
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I am gonna disagree using Hillary again. I believe Obama made her Secretary of State to keep her out of the way (and in fear of what she could do to him out there on the trail)

And it was in was in her best interest politically, so she took the position.
I think she got the job because she was qualified. Just like she was more than qualified to be President.

I mean, I know nowadays it’s all about if you are related to the President and/or he met you one time and you kissed his ass, but positions used to be based at least somewhat on merit.
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I think she got the job because she was qualified. Just like she was more than qualified to be President.

I mean, I know nowadays it’s all about if you are related to the President and/or he met you one time and you kissed his ass, but positions used to be based at least somewhat on merit.
Maybe, but you don't seem to understand - we are unfortunately talking about the world of politics those don't always include qualifications.

Its that way in the business world too.
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Maybe, but you don't seem to understand - we are unfortunately talking about the world of politics those don't always include qualifications.

Its that way in the business world too.
But it should. Especially in politics. I’m more in support of that than cronyism, anyway.
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The "conservative" opinion blogger at The Washington Post
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem">Ad hominem</a>.

Originally Posted by mspmms View Post
I can see why you would say that - do you think there are any examples on the left that oppose their party or leadership in thought, words or writings that are still called "liberal"?
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque">Ad hominem tu quoque</a>.

"It is a fallacy because the moral character or actions of the opponent are generally irrelevant to the logic of the argument. It is often used as a red herring tactic and is a special case of the ad hominem fallacy, which is a category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of facts about the person presenting or supporting the claim or argument."

Ad hominem is the second-lowest type of argument and is basically irrelevant to any discussion. Yes, there's plenty of this that occurs from many posters here, but I'm pointing it out for you because you seem to do it far more frequently.

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https://twitter.com/Redistrict/statu...33468621524993

https://twitter.com/Redistrict/statu...33957035642885

I thought Mia Love had this one! Not sure if this makes Trump Happy or sad
I just read that less than 15% of voters in the district Mia Love lost in were Democrats. Pretty stunning.

After two drawn-out weeks of vote counting, Mr. McAdams, 43, won with 50.1 percent, or about 700 votes, in the Fourth District, a feat that many viewed as unlikely in a district where fewer than 15 percent of voters are registered Democrats.
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