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Old 01-23-19, 08:05 PM
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If you guys truly want to believe Putin is this mastermind behind this plot...why are Democrats going along with it
short reply for now- Semion Yudkovich Mogilevich i.e. the brainy Don. He's who Putin takes his orders from.

The reason he made the FBI ten most wanted was from securities fraud- via remote as he wasn't even physically in the country when the scheme was conceived and executed.

And just for general info purposes, there are absolutely figures on the left who are compromised. It's just that the number, at this particular moment in time, is vastly weighted on the side of R's who are dirty.
In the not too distant future that dynamic is going to reverse, and stay like that for another good long while.
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Old 01-24-19, 02:14 PM
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The stock market hasn't been making much gains. The three major indices are all lower than they were this time last year. Not significantly so, but still - not much in the way of gains there. Some individual companies are doing great - others, not so much.
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Old 01-26-19, 09:40 AM
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Re: The Official Trump/Russia Wacky? Conspiracy Thread

Seems better fit for this thread and the Trump thread.

I'm still convinced Trump is not knowingly colluding with Russia. He's just too dumb to understand he was influentually installed and is being controlled. Russia is interfering with (and delegitimizing) our elections and government. Another big problem we have is the stupid people who fall for Russian propaganda and support Trump. There's no short term fix for dumb people.

He and his cabinet are stooges. So is most of the GOP. In that they are embracing an idealism and philosophy that will result in destabilization - to what degree, we don't yet know. Russia can't attack us with their military, or invade in the name of human rights. Russia's goal is to get the USA into a distressed position, which will expose profitable marketplaces (no different than contracting oil well owners in war-torn Middle-Eastern countries). In example, if there's a financial collapse, there are ways to come in and invest in distressed businesses and land for pennies on the dollar. Putin made a lot of his money that way during the Soviet Union collapse. Reforming those distressed assets is a great way to make money. But they need to be distressed first.

We've been convincing the world to embrace soft-power for 20-30 years. With ideas like 'we're only as good as our weakest player' and 'leading by example'. Trump is a disruptive selfish hard-power leader.
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Old 01-26-19, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Troy Stiffler View Post
Seems better fit for this thread and the Trump thread.

I'm still convinced Trump is not knowingly colluding with Russia. He's just too dumb to understand he was influentually installed and is being controlled. Russia is interfering with (and delegitimizing) our elections and government. Another big problem we have is the stupid people who fall for Russian propaganda and support Trump. There's no short term fix for dumb people.

He and his cabinet are stooges. So is most of the GOP. In that they are embracing an idealism and philosophy that will result in destabilization - to what degree, we don't yet know. Russia can't attack us with their military, or invade in the name of human rights. Russia's goal is to get the USA into a distressed position, which will expose profitable marketplaces (no different than contracting oil well owners in war-torn Middle-Eastern countries). In example, if there's a financial collapse, there are ways to come in and invest in distressed businesses and land for pennies on the dollar. Putin made a lot of his money that way during the Soviet Union collapse. Reforming those distressed assets is a great way to make money. But they need to be distressed first.

We've been convincing the world to embrace soft-power for 20-30 years. With ideas like 'we're only as good as our weakest player' and 'leading by example'. Trump is a disruptive selfish hard-power leader.
Yeah, there isn't that type of money in Russia.
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Old 01-30-19, 08:29 PM
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Yeah, there isn't that type of money in Russia.
The GDP of Russia itself may be smaller than Italy's. But the Russia we are talking about here is the Russian mob, which doesn't have a set of books available to outside eyes.
Before anyone says they don't control the amount of money to effect dramatic swings in the market, or keep it buoyed when it would otherwise be draining investors, I would hope they could tell me in round figures just how much money they do control.
You know, all the illicit funds that are stashed away in a dozen + different, inscrutable havens or being washed in a hundred+ other different enterprises around the globe.

I fully admit the market stuff is me theorizing without much to go on apart from seeing a clear thoroughfare of motive, means, and opportunity aligned with some baffling results.
The market is generally down? Given all that has transpired why is it down just a little. There has been a perfect storm of negative factors swirling around for the last six months at least.
The market shouldn't just be down, it should be in the dumps, and yet it's not. It seems to be mostly bobbing it's head up and down slightly above and below what's been a pretty high waterline.

When I said earlier
I'm pretty sure anyone, who is concerned enough to ask the question, already suspects the answer.
the implication there shouldn't have been taken as "it's the Russian's" so much as simply "it's rigged". Everyone should already know and understand that to a large extent it is and has been for a while.
Robo-trading allows large entities to execute sell orders in a fraction of the time it takes you to log into your E-trade account after hearing the news of the share prices plummeting.
Just like the societal divisions that were already well in place here and were just being exploited and exacerbated, I don't think the Russians, if they do have anything to do with it, have done more than exploit corruptions that were already endemic.

Herd mentality works in both directions.

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So that guy that the sexy russian spy was porking has been indicted:

Paul Erickson, Russian Agent Maria Butina’s Boyfriend, Indicted for Fraud

Paul Erickson, the American political operative and boyfriend of admitted Russian agent Maria Butina, has been indicted by a federal grand jury in South Dakota on charges of wire fraud and money laundering.

The U.S. attorney for the district of South Dakota is handling the prosecution, which is separate from the case that was lodged against Butina in Washington, D.C.

Erickson, 56, was arrested on Tuesday and entered a plea of not guilty at an arraignment, according to the court filings. His attorney, Clint Sargent, said in a statement: “Mr. Erickson is anxious to let the criminal justice process play out and believes a story different from the Government’s will emerge.”

The indictment alleges that Erickson ran a criminal scheme from 1996 to 2018 using a chain of assisted living homes called Compass Care. Erickson also allegedly defrauded investors through a company called Investing with Dignity that claimed to be “in the business of developing a wheelchair that allowed people to go to the bathroom without being lifted out of the wheelchair.” The indictment says he also ran a fraudulent scheme that claimed to be building homes in the Bakken oil fields of North Dakota.
Sounds like non-Russian related stuff, but could be an attempt to squeeze him and give up some stuff related to Maria.
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Oh, and here's a big document dump about how far along the Trump Tower Moscow project was
https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...mp-Moscow.html
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Old 02-07-19, 10:19 AM
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Lol. I'm sure "a story different from the Government's will emerge", but that doesn't mean it'll be even remotely true.
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Oh, and here's a big document dump about how far along the Trump Tower Moscow project was
https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...mp-Moscow.html
This is pretty juicy. Imagine what Mueller has in his files.
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Old 02-07-19, 05:04 PM
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Oh, and here's a big document dump about how far along the Trump Tower Moscow project was
https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...mp-Moscow.html
Paul posted that in the main thread, but it pretty much got overlooked with all the shit that piles on every day. How did BuzzFeed get ahold of all this?
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Old 02-08-19, 11:50 AM
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Oh, and here's a big document dump about how far along the Trump Tower Moscow project was
https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...mp-Moscow.html
So, next question. Why did all this amazing mutual back-rubbing...stop?
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Old 02-08-19, 12:01 PM
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So, next question. Why did all this amazing mutual back-rubbing...stop?
Hmmm ... if only we had someone investigating all this stuff! Maybe we could find out!
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Hmmm ... if only we had someone investigating all this stuff! Maybe we could find out!
I thought we did.

Mueller. Mueller.

Mueller?
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I thought we did.

Mueller. Mueller.

Mueller?
What's an acceptable timeframe for an investigation like this?
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The standard for an investigation is for everything you find to be revealed the instant you get it. That helps the defense to skate.
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So that guy that the sexy russian spy was porking has been indicted:

Paul Erickson, Russian Agent Maria Butina’s Boyfriend, Indicted for Fraud


Sounds like non-Russian related stuff, but could be an attempt to squeeze him and give up some stuff related to Maria.

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aww, this one isn't bad!

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I was thinking more like:

Spoiler:

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So, Rushia?
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What's an acceptable timeframe for an investigation like this?
It must go on...forever. Because when nothing is found...infinity is your best friend.
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It must go on...forever. Because when nothing is found...infinity is your best friend.
So no answer then? You obviously think it’s too long. All I’m asking is what the acceptable timeframe is. Seems like a simple question to answer.
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It must go on...forever. Because when nothing is found...infinity is your best friend.
*Citation required.
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