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Old 05-11-17, 12:32 PM   #1
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Black students at Harvard to hold their own commencement

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...idL/story.html

Does nobody see segregation here? How is this not a giant step backward?
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Old 05-11-17, 12:33 PM   #2
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Why so threatened?
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Old 05-11-17, 12:38 PM   #3
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Re: Black students at Harvard to hold their own commencement

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Black graduation events have sometimes sparked criticism that they are divisive.

But the ceremony is “not about segregation,” said Michael Huggins, president of the Harvard Black Graduate Student Alliance, which is organizing the event. Students of all racial and ethnic backgrounds may attend, he said, and the black students taking part in the ceremony also plan to attend the university’s official commencement on May 25 in Harvard Yard.

“The primary reason we wanted to do this is we really wanted to come together to celebrate Harvard black excellence and brilliance,” said Huggins, who is graduating from the Kennedy School. “This is really an opportunity for students to build fellowship and build a community.”
I don't see anything wrong with it. I didn't attend my college graduation. It's a long ceremony, outside in the middle of summer, and if I didn't walk I still got my degree. If a group chooses to hold their own ceremony that isn't at all meant to replace the main one, what's wrong it?
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Old 05-11-17, 12:45 PM   #4
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Re: Black students at Harvard to hold their own commencement

Beyond the question of what's wrong with it, there's also the issue of why would anybody care? Becuase they are left out? Is there going to similar concerns that frat houses and social clubs are having graduation parties and not including the same people feelign left out?
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Is there going to similar concerns that frat houses and social clubs are having graduation parties and not including the same people feelign left out?
This is a separate commencement, not a party.
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Why so threatened?
Would you say the same in response to "White students at Harvard to hold their own commencement"?
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#Allcommencementsmatter
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Would you say the same in response to "White students at Harvard to hold their own commencement"?
Yeah! And why don't we have a White History Month too!!
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This is a separate commencement, not a party.
Is there point in there? Everybody has the option to join the main event that is all inclusive. An event is an event unless somebody chooses to be offended because they were not invited.
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Yeah! And why don't we have a White History Month too!!
And an International Men's Day!

there is one, but the men who complain about International Women's Day never seem to celebrate it.
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Yeah! And why don't we have a White History Month too!!
I thought every month was White History Month?!

Also.. you seem very threatened.
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Is there point in there? Everybody has the option to join the main event that is all inclusive. An event is an event unless somebody chooses to be offended because they were not invited.
The black graduation is also open to all to attend, so no one is being blocked it.
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I thought every month was White History Month?!

Also.. you seem very threatened.
Not in the slightest. I couldn't care less if a minority group wants to have an event and not invite a straight, white dude like me to it.
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I thought every month was White History Month?!

Also.. you seem very threatened.

It is every month, so why do you care? How does it affect you? It's funny to me when the white majority get upset that them pesky minorities get to do something that might be for themselves.

Although, this isn't it, since it says that all are welcome. Why do whites get peeved at something like this?
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Not in the slightest. I couldn't care less if a minority group wants to have an event and not invite a straight, white dude like me to it.
I wouldn't care either. But what if it wasn't a minority group? Then would you have a problem with it?
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I wouldn't care either. But what if it wasn't a minority group? Then would you have a problem with it?
Context is kind of important. The article says, "Woods said the black graduation ceremony will recognize that history, as well as the challenges that black students face today, including what she called a lack of social, emotional, and academic support. In 2015, 5 percent of the 7,595 degrees that Harvard awarded went to black students."

That's... pretty reasonable. Admirable, even.

If white folks at Harvard want to have their own ceremony, I'd be curious what reasoning they could possibly provide as justification.

How do you think they would frame that?
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Does nobody see segregation here? How is this not a giant step backward?
There is a difference between congregation and segregation.
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I wouldn't care either. But what if it wasn't a minority group? Then would you have a problem with it?
I don't know if I'd have a problem with your hypothetical gathering. What is it for?
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Context is kind of important. The article says, "Woods said the black graduation ceremony will recognize that history, as well as the challenges that black students face today, including what she called a lack of social, emotional, and academic support. In 2015, 5 percent of the 7,595 degrees that Harvard awarded went to black students."

That's... pretty reasonable. Admirable, even.

If white folks at Harvard want to have their own ceremony, I'd be curious what reasoning they could possibly provide as justification.

How do you think they would frame that?
Yeah that's a great point, Dan. Like I was saying I have absolutely zero problem with this and I think it's terrific. My point was what if a non-majority group wanted to do something similar - what would the reaction be? But I think you nailed it with asking how that could possibly be framed in the same sort of way this event is. I'm sure there's something somewhere but yeah.. I can't think of it either.
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Old 05-11-17, 02:55 PM   #20
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Graduation at most traditional universities consists of one big commencement and then separate commencements for all the other professional schools and majors. Sometimes clubs will have separate commencements. This thing at Harvard doesn't seem to be anything outside of the ordinary.

Also, blacks get a month, the Irish get a day, but we celebrate white history 365 days long, bitches!

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I wouldn't care either. But what if it wasn't a minority group? Then would you have a problem with it?
I'd be very surprised if similar gatherings haven't been held for Irish-American or Italian-American or Whatever-American students over the years. But because it's black folk doing something to celebrate black folk, people lose their shit.
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Speaking of losing their shit, can't wait for the gay students to have one.
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Yeah! And why don't we have a White History Month too!!
White genocide, man. White genocide. This must be what it was like for the people of Darfur.
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It's as if people look for an excuse to be offended.
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