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Old 05-05-17, 08:00 PM   #1
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Hackers (Russia?) release French presidential frontrunner's campaign emails

Can we safely assume that Russia is the culprit? This type of election interference by state actors needs to be treated with the seriousness it deserves. Severe sanctions need to be instituted. I say "go nuclear" -- not with bombs but with economic sanctions and other methods.

Macron's opponent, the far-right candidate Le Pen, has borrowed money from Russian banks, and she wants to lift sanctions against Russia and recognize Crimea as Russian territory.

The media needs to stop referring to these hacks as leaks.

Macron's French presidential campaign emails leaked online at Reuters.com

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French presidential candidate Emmanuel Macron's campaign said on Friday it had been the target of a "massive" computer hack that dumped its campaign mails online 1-1/2 days before voters go to the polls to choose between the centrist and his far-right rival Marine Le Pen.
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In a statement, Macron's political movement En Marche! (Onwards!) confirmed that it had been hacked.

"The En Marche! Movement has been the victim of a massive and co-ordinated hack this evening which has given rise to the diffusion on social media of various internal information," the statement said.
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Former economy minister Macron's team has complained in the past about attempts to hack its emails during a fraught campaign, blaming Russian interests in part for the cyber attacks.

On April 26, the team said it had been the target of a series of attempts to steal email credentials since January, but that the perpetrators had so far failed to compromise any campaign data.

In February, the Kremlin denied that it was behind any such attacks, even though Macron's camp renewed complaints against Russian media and a hackers' group operating in Ukraine.

In its statement on Friday, En Marche! said that the documents released online showed only the normal functionings of a presidential campaign, but that authentic documents had been mixed on social media with fake ones to sow "doubt and misinformation".
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Old 05-05-17, 10:41 PM   #2
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And of course WIkileaks immediately starts tweeting about it. As Ian Fleming once said, "Once is an accident. Twice is a coincidence. Three times is an enemy action."
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Old 05-06-17, 12:08 AM   #3
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The timing of this release/hack is weird. As of Friday midnight, campaigning is done. And the (official) media will not publish or mention any new elements that might affect the vote on Sunday. Sure, people can still look stuff up online, but that's gonna be a drop in the bucket. So it's odd that this stuff wasn't released weeks ago when it could have made an impact. Unless there isn't anything of substance there...
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The timing of this release/hack is weird. As of Friday midnight, campaigning is done. And the (official) media will not publish or mention any new elements that might affect the vote on Sunday. Sure, people can still look stuff up online, but that's gonna be a drop in the bucket. So it's odd that this stuff wasn't released weeks ago when it could have made an impact. Unless there isn't anything of substance there...
It'll spread via social media and none of it will be rebutted by the press, because of the media blackout.

I bet there's some fake or modified emails in there.
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Re: Hackers (Russia?) release French presidential frontrunner's campaign emails

Looks like somebody knew about the hacks in advance...

http://www.twitter.com/KeithOlberman...97281124761600
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Looks like somebody knew about the hacks in advance...

http://www.twitter.com/KeithOlberman...97281124761600
Olbermann is reaching, Tiny Hands was almost certainly referring to the Louvre knife attack in February and the Île-de-France attacks of March.
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Re: Hackers (Russia?) release French presidential frontrunner's campaign emails

Look who is getting in on the action. American far/alt-right trolls are spreading info about the hack using bots and other methods.

U.S. Far-Right Activists Promote Hacking Attack Against Macron at NYTimes.com

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Yet within hours after the hacked documents were made public, the hashtag #MacronLeaks began trending worldwide, aided by online far-right activists in the United States who have been trying to sway the French vote in favor of Ms. Le Pen.

Jack Posobiec, a journalist with the far-right news outlet The Rebel, was the first to use the hashtag with a link to the hacked documents online, which was then shared more widely by WikiLeaks. Mr. Prosobiec remains the second-most mentioned individual on Twitter in connection with the hashtag behind WikiLeaks, according to a review of the past 100,000 Twitter messages posted since late Friday.

While there is no evidence that the recent hack against Mr. Macron’s campaign was organized by this loosely connected group of extremist campaigners, the American activists have been regularly gathering on sites like 4Chan and Discord, which was previously used to coordinate support for Donald J. Trump’s presidential campaign.
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Yet, in a sign of how the far right outside the country is also trying foment the discussion, many of the Twitter messages about the hacking have originated in the United States, according to Trendsmap, a data analytics tool. Roughly half of the social media messages around political hashtags linked to the hack have been written in English — based on a review of Trendsmap data — as activists outside France have helped to spread news of the leak.

The top 25 Twitter messages shared with the hashtag #MacronLeaks were written in English, according to Mr. Nimmo, of the Atlantic Council, with many of the online accounts reposting links set up as so-called bots, or automated accounts controlled by third-party individuals.
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Can we safely assume that Russia is the culprit? This type of election interference by state actors needs to be treated with the seriousness it deserves. Severe sanctions need to be instituted. I say "go nuclear" -- not with bombs but with economic sanctions and other methods.

Macron's opponent, the far-right candidate Le Pen, has borrowed money from Russian banks, and she wants to lift sanctions against Russia and recognize Crimea as Russian territory.

The media needs to stop referring to these hacks as leaks.

Macron's French presidential campaign emails leaked online at Reuters.com
Is it only serious when Russia interferes with elections or when we do it too? We (our government) have zero respect for the sovereignty of other nations and we go on with our daily lives, but when it happens here we lose it.
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Is it only serious when Russia interferes with elections or when we do it too? We (our government) have zero respect for the sovereignty of other nations and we go on with our daily lives, but when it happens here we lose it.
Hey, did you know the US had eugenics programs throughout the 1920s and '30s, and forced racial minorities to live in ghettos? But when Germans do the same thing, we lose our shit. Crazy, right?
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Hey, did you know the US had eugenics programs throughout the 1920s and '30s, and forced racial minorities to live in ghettos? But when Germans do the same thing, we lose our shit. Crazy, right?
Perfectly equivalent, y'got me on the one.
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It'll spread via social media and none of it will be rebutted by the press, because of the media blackout.

I bet there's some fake or modified emails in there.
Sure, but no media or politician can discuss this. Plus this is a long weekend in France so the impact of this leak will be minimal to non-existent. Heck, it could even backfire.
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Sure, but no media or politician can discuss this.
What would happen if they did?
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What would happen if they did?
Article L49 of the electoral code states it is illegal to “broadcast to the public by any means of electronic communication anything that could be considered electoral propaganda” or for anyone to “bring to public attention any new element of electoral argument at a time when the target has no possibility to provide a useful response before the end of the election campaign”.

…The dissemination of such data, which have been fraudulently obtained and in all likelihood may have been mingled with false information, is liable to be classified as a criminal offence,” France’s electoral commission said in a statement.


P.S. I checked, and there's nothing in the main French papers about the content of the leaks, just that there was a leak, speculation on where they came from, and how they were disseminated on the internet.

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Old 05-06-17, 05:43 PM   #14
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That seems like an antiquated law. I'm sure it worked in 1985, but with the internet it seems impossible to NOT violate that law.
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Old 05-06-17, 05:46 PM   #15
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I'm skeptical about them being Russian. How can that be proved? These are rogue individuals.

Is there actually anything damning in the emails?
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I'm skeptical about them being Russian. How can that be proved? These are rogue individuals.

Is there actually anything damning in the emails?
Nope. Seems these documents are two years old and some are fakes. Russian-language characters were found in metadata. So, it seems that there is nothing to see except for French people laughing at "Three Stooges alt-right Americans who can't read French".

https://theintercept.com/2017/05/06/...histleblowing/
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Old 05-06-17, 06:35 PM   #17
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And isn't leaving Russian language characters in the code exactly what someone who wasn't Russian would do?
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And isn't leaving Russian language characters in the code exactly what someone who wasn't Russian would do?
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LePen is going to win. And when she does there will be no investigation into Macron's claims. This is a systematic takeover of Western Civilization by the fascist right-wing extremists. It's quite masterful. But the question remains: what are we going to do to stop it?
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LePen is going to win. And when she does there will be no investigation into Macron's claims. This is a systematic takeover of Western Civilization by the fascist right-wing extremists. It's quite masterful. But the question remains: what are we going to do to stop it?
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"Emmanuel Macron is France's next president after a decisive win over Marine Le Pen"


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Article L49 of the electoral code states it is illegal to “broadcast to the public by any means of electronic communication anything that could be considered electoral propaganda” or for anyone to “bring to public attention any new element of electoral argument at a time when the target has no possibility to provide a useful response before the end of the election campaign”.

…The dissemination of such data, which have been fraudulently obtained and in all likelihood may have been mingled with false information, is liable to be classified as a criminal offence,” France’s electoral commission said in a statement.


P.S. I checked, and there's nothing in the main French papers about the content of the leaks, just that there was a leak, speculation on where they came from, and how they were disseminated on the internet.
What would the penalty be if a news organization didn't follow the law?
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What would the penalty be if a news organization didn't follow the law?
It's a criminal offense. One year in jail plus a fine (can't remember the amount).
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I remember when the American right-wing nutjobs were a bunch of isolationists. Now they're supporting the Vichy party in France. It's weird.
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Well done France!
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