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Old 03-23-17, 05:21 PM
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Your Internet service providers could sell your web browser history to advertisers should House Republicans and Trump approve the bill:

The US Senate today voted to eliminate broadband privacy rules that would have required ISPs to get consumers' explicit consent before selling or sharing Web browsing data and other private information with advertisers and other companies.

The rules were approved in October 2016 by the Federal Communications Commission's then-Democratic leadership, but are opposed by the FCC's new Republican majority and Republicans in Congress. The Senate today used its power under the Congressional Review Act to ensure that the FCC rulemaking "shall have no force or effect" and to prevent the FCC from issuing similar regulations in the future.

The House, also controlled by Republicans, would need to vote on the measure before the privacy rules are officially eliminated. President Trump could also preserve the privacy rules by issuing a veto. If the House and Trump agree with the Senate's action, ISPs won't have to seek customer approval before sharing their browsing histories and other private information with advertisers.
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Can I buy the browser history of whoever voted for this bill?
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Politics in a nutshell.



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/retweet?src=hash">#retweet</a> <br><br>Write these Senators who voted to gut your privacy rules &amp; let ISPs sell your private data. <a href="https://t.co/eHwqyMVyl5">pic.twitter.com/eHwqyMVyl5</a></p>&mdash; NotMyPresidentEither (@Spam4Trump) <a href="https://twitter.com/Spam4Trump/status/845066363194400770">March 24, 2017</a></blockquote>
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I guess that neither list is wrong. Did ANYONE cross party lines? Probably. But people are too stubborn to admit that maybe a Republican sided with (gasp!) or a Democrat sided with (gasp!).
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#MAGA, amirite?
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ISPs have been selling your data for decades. This law did nothing to prevent that and has done nothing to prevent this.

Also, the article says:

The US Senate today voted to eliminate broadband privacy rules that would have required ISPs to get consumers' explicit consent before selling or sharing Web browsing data and other private information with advertisers and other companies.

So, in other words, your ISP simply makes a TOS that forces you to agree or you don't get your fucking internet service. Like I said, this law would have done NOTHING...except make your ISP add a mandate to every consumer to AGREE or not use their service.

And by now, if you don't realize companies collect your info and sell it, then well, keep on using Unicorn Happy All Browser 1.01.

How about we get real legislation that has real bite, instead of feel-good words, and just mandate to ISPs they can't sell your fucking information. Period. No consent required. Just make it a fucking federal law that assumes ALL ISPs operating in the US will assume ALL of their American consumers are protected from the moment they sign up.

Oh wait. That would cut into our politicians' pockets and make their lobbyist friends tummies hurt.

Btw, I read an article where the CIA developed software to hack into Mac computers. Thanks, Brennan.

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Old 03-23-17, 08:37 PM
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ISPs have been selling your data for decades. This law did nothing to prevent that and has done nothing to prevent this.
Perhaps so, but it doesn't make it right and it doesn't hurt to raise awareness of what Republicans want to do. Your nonchalance about this is annoying.
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Interesting quote from Ron Wyden from that article:

Few consumers have any choice of Internet provider, said Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.). Thus, their only choice may be between "giving up their browsing history for an Internet provider to sell to the highest bidder or having no Internet at all," he said.

Wyden also said that the FCC rules don't prevent ISPs from monetizing customer data—the rules simply require ISPs to inform consumers about how their data is used and get customer consent before selling the most sensitive data, he said.
Kind of what I said above. I think this law would have simply been touted as a major advancement in consumer protection, but in reality, far from it.

And like I said above...the current rules...outside of the proposed legislation...simply require ISPs to INFORM their consumer. There is no mention of refraining from the act of selling, which is the legislation I want. The Informed Consumer letters are bullshit, serve no purpose, and the government needs to protect consumers better than this feel-good partisan crap.

You know the micro-sized print you get when you get insurance or a new credit card? Yeah, that kind of consumer protection. In fact, I think ISPs wouldn't even need the consumer's consent. All they'd need is to send out a nice small .001 font paper of "consumer consent to information", with all the other WE'RE SO HAPPY YOU JOINED US!!!! in 100 font materials you'd get in the mail and/or online.
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I personally have no problem with the sale of demographics. Isn't that why Google Chrome exists - and why it's free? If I'm not mistaken, the system that cultivates ads was built right here in Phoenix/Tempe Arizona (the one that remembers where you were, and bring those ads back around ... they're onto me, and my quest for the perfect ceiling fan). And it sold for a gazillion dollars (rough estimate, but when it's that much cash, who's counting?) five or ten years ago. I think that system is also what funds Youtubers, right? I view it all as one big digital economy. It's like getting upset at a billboard. And I'm well aware I'm a lot more of a business whore (and thus more accepting of this) than a lot of you guys.

So now the ISP, in addition to the browser providers, can sell/use that data?

Really, if you don't like it ... use a dark web browser. Or I'm sure there will be something to come along that's going to, you know ... bring down the system maaaaannnn. Cause, like, the digital economy is a construct of the 1%, man. And it's all in place to keep us in control, man. It's all linked, man. Martin Luther to Carlos Slim, man. Wake up! Jesus Christ Jackie Chan James Cameron, man.
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Originally Posted by DVD Polizei View Post
ISPs have been selling your data for decades. This law did nothing to prevent that and has done nothing to prevent this.

Also, the article says:

The US Senate today voted to eliminate broadband privacy rules that would have required ISPs to get consumers' explicit consent before selling or sharing Web browsing data and other private information with advertisers and other companies.

So, in other words, your ISP simply makes a TOS that forces you to agree or you don't get your fucking internet service. Like I said, this law would have done NOTHING...except make your ISP add a mandate to every consumer to AGREE or not use their service.

And by now, if you don't realize companies collect your info and sell it, then well, keep on using Unicorn Happy All Browser 1.01.

How about we get real legislation that has real bite, instead of feel-good words, and just mandate to ISPs they can't sell your fucking information. Period. No consent required. Just make it a fucking federal law that assumes ALL ISPs operating in the US will assume ALL of their American consumers are protected from the moment they sign up.

Oh wait. That would cut into our politicians' pockets and make their lobbyist friends tummies hurt.

Btw, I read an article where the CIA developed software to hack into Mac computers. Thanks, Brennan.
you are correct but the chances of getting real legislation are zero
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Old 03-26-17, 09:24 PM
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Interesting that it was a straight party vote except for Rand Paul, who defected to the D side.
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Old 03-26-17, 10:58 PM
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I hate to tell people this but your ISP can already monitor you and sell data and what this repeals did nothing to stop it
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Isn't that also how Google (Chrome) works? And Youtube? These things aren't totally free. They sell off the basic data to the kind of marketing firms places like Nike and Pepsi use to figure out how to sell their product to people.

I thought our basic demographic details were being sold anyways. In example, '33 year old male Sagittarius looks at LOTS of porn ... just porn ... just all day long ... it's just all ... internet porn'.
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yes and here is what that law did. They now needed your consent. Sounds great but here is how it works. Sort of like if you want a job you need top give consent for a background check. You could say no but you don't get job. Wth the ISPs if you want the internet you have to agree with the TOS which guess what? means your info gets sold. You could not agree but you get no internet then.

This is why Dems are no better than repubs. They pass a law making it seem like they did something great but in reality did nothing but they can say see ignorant voters look we are protecting you
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Time for a VPN. Hell, the VPN is probably monitoring your browsing on the other end.
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So, the Republicans are simply voting in favor of it because it is going to happen regardless? Give me a break! Those guys will sell a pint of your blood if it can help them.
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Isn't that also how Google (Chrome) works? And Youtube? These things aren't totally free. They sell off the basic data to the kind of marketing firms places like Nike and Pepsi use to figure out how to sell their product to people.

I thought our basic demographic details were being sold anyways. In example, '33 year old male Sagittarius looks at LOTS of porn ... just porn ... just all day long ... it's just all ... internet porn'.
Except, we already pay for internet access. Is Comcast/Verizon/AT&T etc going to give me a discount or provide me service for free (like Chrome, Facebook etc) since they are now double dipping on me? No.

Also, Rand Paul is a coward. He sponsored the bill, but then didn't vote for it.
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Old 03-28-17, 04:10 PM
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"Who cares if they're doing this!? They've been doing this for years!"

House Republicans approve of doing away with broadband privacy and selling it to those poor, poor media corporations.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2017/roll200.xml

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Time for a VPN. Hell, the VPN is probably monitoring your browsing on the other end.
Depends of which one you get. I am more than happy with PIA.
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Time for a VPN. Hell, the VPN is probably monitoring your browsing on the other end.
One of the sites I use for internet security info had an article specifically about this: https://thetinhat.com/blog/thoughts/...l-america.html

The short version of the argument for a VPN is that with an ISP you KNOW they're collecting data on you. With a VPN they only MIGHT be collecting data on you and since VPNs live or die by their reputation, the big ones that have been around a long time would be taking a huge risk by collecting data they claim they don't. They would go under almost overnight if people stopped trusting them to keep data anonymous.
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Ugh, now I'm researching VPN's.
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Interesting that it was a straight party vote except for Rand Paul, who defected to the D side.
Rand Paul abstained along with a Senator recovering from surgery. Real profile in courage. Democrats should have required 60 votes on this and everything else.https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=115&session=1&vote=00094

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Old 03-29-17, 02:34 PM
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Republicans in Congress just voted to reverse a landmark FCC privacy rule that opens the door for ISPs to sell customer data. Lawmakers provided no credible reason for this being in the interest of Americans, except for vague platitudes about “consumer choice” and “free markets,” as if consumers at the mercy of their local internet monopoly are craving to have their web history quietly sold to marketers and any other third party willing to pay.

The only people who seem to want this are the people who are going to make lots of money from it. (Hint: they work for companies like Comcast, Verizon, and AT&T.) Incidentally, these people and their companies routinely give lots of money to members of Congress.

So here is a list of the lawmakers who voted to betray you, and how much money they received from the telecom industry in their most recent election cycle.
The list is here: https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/29/1...vacy-fire-sale
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So, a rule that only went into effect last fall just got reversed?

OMYGOD! How the hell did we survive the Orwelllian nightmare that existed all those previous years?!!?!?!?!

Don't get me wrong, the default attitude in Washington should always be to preserve privacy and freedom, but the hysterical and somewhat creative reporting makes me want to take over this nation and rule it like Stalin out of spite.
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So, a rule that only went into effect last fall just got reversed?

OMYGOD! How the hell did we survive the Orwelllian nightmare that existed all those previous years?!!?!?!?!

Don't get me wrong, the default attitude in Washington should always be to preserve privacy and freedom, but the hysterical and somewhat creative reporting makes me want to take over this nation and rule it like Stalin out of spite.
The point is that the only reason to reverse it is because Obama put it in place. I don't think "spite" should be a reason to reverse rules and ultimately hurt consumers.
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