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Old 02-02-17, 10:02 AM
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World Wars III, IV & V to Be Produced Back-to-Back

Since this is too important to get buried in the general Trump thread, here's the Maximum Leader's daily threat against another country.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Iran has been formally PUT ON NOTICE for firing a ballistic missile.Should have been thankful for the terrible deal the U.S. made with them!</p>&mdash; Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/827118012784373760">February 2, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Iran was on its last legs and ready to collapse until the U.S. came along and gave it a life-line in the form of the Iran Deal: $150 billion</p>&mdash; Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/827119326880813056">February 2, 2017</a></blockquote>
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This comes immediately after Trump decided to alienate both Australia and Mexico.

If I were Iran, I'd be test firing missiles, too.

And by an amazing coincidence, Russia has chosen this moment to mount a new offensive in Eastern Ukraine.

At least 12 Ukrainian soldiers have been killed and more than two dozen wounded in an outburst of fighting with Russian-backed rebels since the weekend that is playing out against a backdrop of still uncertain relations between Moscow and Washington.

In the latest deaths, Ukraine's Anti-Terrorist Operation said two Ukrainian soldiers were killed Wednesday in the disputed eastern regions. The government’s press office said one soldier was killed and nine soldiers and one civilian injured late Tuesday in Avdiivka, a town of 20,000 people located just north of the rebel stronghold of Donetsk in eastern Ukraine.


The government-held town of Avdiivka came under sustained shell fire, which knocked out power as temperatures fell as low as zero Fahrenheit, the Associated Press reported. Several buses were used to remove people from the conflict zone, Bloomberg reported.

“Escalation in the area is of grave concern, with the civilian population greatly suffering,” said Ertugrul Apakan, chief monitor of the special monitoring mission to the Ukraine by the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe. “Violence on such a scale, involving the loss of life, is unacceptable and the protection of civilians must be paramount.”

He noted damage to a water filtration plant, disrupting the delivery of heating supplies, electricity and water. In the late morning Wednesday, shelling subsided amid unconfirmed reports that both sides had agreed to a cease-fire to restore electricity and water supplies, the AP reports.

An AP correspondent reported seeing rebel artillery positions in the center of Donetsk city on Wednesday. Local residents reported incessant outgoing and incoming artillery salvos heard throughout the night and in the morning, an intensity that the city has not seen in months, AP reported.

Separatist forces said two of their fighters were killed and six wounded in the latest violence, according to the AP.

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko cut short his visit to Germany and called an emergency meeting of the Contact Group for the settlement of the conflict and appealed to the United Nations.

The U.N. Security Council expressed its "grave concern" over the "dangerous deterioration" in eastern Ukraine and called for an end to the violence. Both Russia and Ukraine are members of the council: Russia as a permanent member and Ukraine taking over the rotating presidency on Wednesday. Both nations had agreed to the Security Council statement, which decried the unrest for its "severe impact on the local civilian population."

The State Department said in a statement that the United States "is deeply concerned with the recent spike in violence in eastern Ukraine."

We urge the Ukrainian authorities to immediately put an end to the armed provocations in #Donbasshttps://t.co/x5DE1vKZEgpic.twitter.com/9KaoAQglyb
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The Ukrainian Crisis media center blamed Russian-backed militants for the upsurge in fighting, charging that the rebels had launched an "unprovoked attack" on Ukrainian troops and the civilian population but met heavy resistance.

The Russian Foreign Ministry accused Ukrainian troops of launching offensive operations to pick up territory using heavy artillery and multiple launch rocket systems. In a statement, the ministry also noted that every outbreak of new fighting "strangely enough" occurred while the Ukrainian leadership, in this case Poroshenko, was on foreign trips. "Clearly, this is an attempt to keep the crisis provoked by Kiev on the international agenda," the statement said.

Nearly 10,000 people have died since initial clashes broke out in April 2014 between Ukrainian troops and rebels, largely ethnic Russians living in the eastern regions who are seeking independence from Kiev. A tenuous ceasefire — known as the Minsk agreement — was declared in a meeting in the Belarusian capital in February 2015 in an attempt to end the conflict.

An urgent meeting of the so-called Contact Group, which brings together representatives of Ukraine, Russia and the rebels along with the Organization for the Security and Cooperation in Europe, ended Wednesday in Minsk, Belarus. The group, which aims at implementing the 2-year-old Minsk deal, called for the opposing sides to cease fire and urged them to pull back their heavy weapons by the end of the week.

Ukraine and NATO have accused the Kremlin of supporting the rebels with troops and weapons. The United States and European Union have imposed sanctions on Russia for supporting the rebels, as well as annexing Crimea, which was part of Ukraine.

Whether planned or not, the latest eruptions come amid a shifting political landscape. Among them are President Trump's emerging relationship with Russian President Vladimir Putin. The two leaders spoke Saturday for the first time, and Trump has publicly mused about the prospect of easing sanctions against the Kremlin. The sanctions were imposed by the Obama administration over concerns about Russian hacking during the U.S. presidential election.

The escalation “seems to be another reason for the soonest possible resumption of dialogue and cooperation between Russia and America,” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said.

Meanwhile, Ukraine's defense minister Stepan Poltorak charged Wednesday that a Ukrainian Navy transport aircraft came under small arms attack over the Black Sea from a Russian oil rig. He said there were no injuries but the Antonov An026 aircraft was damage, according to Interfax Ukraine.

A spokesman for the Russian Black Sea Fleet headquarters in Sevastopol denied the charge, saying the oil rigs' security guards did not open fire on the plane but gave it flash signals to prevent it hitting a drilling tower, Tass reported.

Ukraine's month-long role as president of the U.N. Security Council will likely give Kiev an opportunity to gauge whether it still has the council’s backing — specifically from the so-called P3 permanent members of France, Britain and the United States — in its claims to Crimea and on addressing instability on its eastern border.

“The P3 have always been rock-solid supportive of Ukraine when it comes to the issue of Crimea,” said Volodymyr Yelchenko, Ukraine’s ambassador to the U.N. “We have heard remarks of Mr. Trump on Crimea when he was a presidential candidate. But we need to understand that campaign rhetoric and real business may vary.”
Does anyone else feel like it's July 1914 right now?
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Old 02-02-17, 10:40 AM
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Nah, more like late-Summer, 1939.
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the sky is falling! the sky is falling!
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US and Russia will kick everyone's ass
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the sky is falling! the sky is falling!
It actually is, but keep deflecting.
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LOL, OK. Strap on your helmet then.
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It actually is, but keep deflecting.
It's really not.. but keep panicking.
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LOL, OK. Strap on your helmet then.
It's not going to help. Don't worry - Trump will get around to fucking everyone over soon enough. He has to start with the less-important people first.

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It's really not.. but keep panicking.
Guess we'll see soon enough. I hope I'm not right!
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I think this is the first time that I have no real sense of what's coming next.
I think anything could happen nowadays or maybe nothing...
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It's really not.. but keep panicking.
Increasing rhetoric against Iran, destabilizing relationship with allies, easing sanctions with Russia (which was announced to the Duma before Congress) ... yeah, this is normal
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God forbid Iran gets called out on their bullshit.
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It's cool. There's a lot of Eastern European countries between Russia and and countries we care about in Europe. Plenty of territory to appease Russia with still.
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And honestly Australia had it coming with their smug attitude.
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I wonder if Cameron will put his Avatar quintilogy on hold to direct. The special effects would be the greatest.
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It's cool. There's a lot of Eastern European countries between Russia and and countries we care about in Europe. Plenty of territory to appease Russia with still.
Looks like Russia is on the offensive in Ukraine. It's cool, Putin's a strong leader, he deserves a little more territory.

Ukraine appeals for help against Russia as fighting flares
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Increasing rhetoric against Iran, destabilizing relationship with allies, easing sanctions with Russia (which was announced to the Duma before Congress) ... yeah, this is normal
Yeah, we shouldn't draw lines. Red lines. And then ease sanctions with Iran...making deals with them...
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I wonder if Cameron will put his Avatar quintilogy on hold to direct. The special effects would be the greatest.
He's currently attempting to find more veggie oil for his environmentally-correct powered equipment.
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Relations between Russia and Belarus aren't going too well.

MINSK, Belarus (AP) — In a sign of growing friction between the two ex-Soviet neighbors, Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko criticized Russia Friday for cutting oil supplies, ordered his interior minister to press charges against Russia’s top food safety official and firmly refused to host a Russian air base.

In a live news conference that lasted about 7½ hours, Lukashenko alleged that the latest trade restrictions imposed by Moscow had been spurned by its concern about Belarus’ efforts to improve its ties with the West.

In more than two decades in power, Lukashenko has relied on economic and political support of Russia, skillfully exploiting its security concerns and casting Belarus as an indispensable ally.

The EU and the U.S. recently have rolled back the sanctions they had imposed on Belarus over Lukashenko’s iron-fist rule, following relatively smoother elections and the release of political prisoners.

At the same time, Russia-Belarus ties have soured.

Belarus has refused to accept the price Russia has charged for natural gas. Russia has estimated Belarus’ debt at $550 million and responded by halving the volume of oil supplied to its western neighbor. Cheap Russian oil used by Belarus’ refineries have been a major source of income for the nation of 10 million.

Lukashenko accused Russia Friday of using energy as a weapon to force Belarus into submission.

“We will do without the Russian oil,” he said. “If we have independence on one scale, and oil on another, they are incomparable.”

Ties also have been strained over Belarus’ food exports. Russia has accused Belarus of becoming a conduit for contraband food to bypass a Russian embargo on most Western food introduced in retaliation to the U.S. and the EU sanctions on Russia over its action in Ukraine.

In response, Russia has introduced restrictions on imports of Belarusian food, citing sanitary reasons.

Lukashenko vented his anger at Russia’s top food safety official, Sergei Dankvert, ordering his interior minister to press charges against him for “damaging the state.”

The Kremlin responded to the outburst with indignation, with the press office saying Dankvert is doing his job. The Kremlin also listed massive loans given to Belarus and billions of dollars that it lost in taxes Belarus was exempt from paying for importing Russian oil.

Other tensions also flared up.

Russia’s main domestic security agency has established controls on the border with Belarus in response to its decision to abolish visas for short-term travelers from 80 nations, including the U.S. and the EU. Until now, the neighbors had no border controls.

Lukashenko fumed at the move, describing it as “political attack.”

“Russia has become concerned that Belarus will go away, that Lukashenko has turned to the West,” the Belarusian leader said.

For years, Moscow has pushed Lukashenko to host a Russian air base, and he answered Friday with a categorical “No,” casting it as part of the Kremlin pressure on Belarus.

“What’s the purpose of such a base from the military viewpoint?” he said. “We don’t need it here. The base and the planes they want to put here is a demonstration.”

He argued that the base would have little meaning as the two nations already maintain close military cooperation.

In an indication of just how bad the current Russian-Belarusian spat has gone, Lukashenko assured his country that “there will be no war.”

“No one will occupy us, no one will send in troops,” he said. “We will protect ourselves and our independence.”
Meanwhile ...

According to one U.S. official, national security aides have sought information about Polish incursions in Belarus, an eyebrow-raising request because little evidence of such activities appears to exist. Poland is among the Eastern European nations worried about Trump's friendlier tone on Russia.
I'm sure this isn't a set-up to justify Russian troops entering Belarus to "secure" the country from nefarious Polish invaders.
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A bit more on the situation in Belarus.

Kommersant article coincided with an announcement that large parts of the Belorussian army were going to deploy out on training maneuvers. Regular troops would be joined by a large number of reservists being called up for refresher training. Belorussian army has been traditionally positioned to defend the country from attacks coming from its western NATO neighbors.

This time the heavy mechanized forces deployed east from the capital Minsk. Troops began building field fortifications and defensive positions facing Russia along the Minsk — Moscow highway. This is the first time in decades that Belorussian troops have turned their tanks against Russia. As the exercise progressed it was confirmed that over 3000 reservists were called in. These were mostly older officers and NCOs. This could indicate that Belarus is currently preparing for a full scale mobilization.

Speculations are running wild about what the real situation is and what is going to happen next. I’ve sketched 3 possible scenarios:

1) Belarus breaks ties with Russia to close with the EU. This would cause strong economic and political reactions from Moscow. Military intervention by Russia is possible, but not probable.

2)The crisis is fabricated for domestic Belorussian consumption. Lukashenko will use the heightened tensions to strong-arm economic help from Russia.

3) The whole political crisis is just “maskirovka”, deception, the real goal is to mask the mobilization of the Belorussian army. Belarus is essential in all Russian battle plans that involve either Ukraine or the Baltic. There is a straight highway from the Belorussian defensive positions to Kiev.

The scariest alternative is that Russia demanded that Belarus would participate in number 3, but the Kremlin plans were too evil even for a pseudo-dictator like Lukashenko.
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This could have easily been separated into three more Trump threads. C'mon now.
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And honestly Australia had it coming with their smug attitude.
Yeah, Toecutter, Lord Homunculus, and Immortan Joe all seemed downright smarmy at times.

Auntie Entity was pretty chill, though.

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Regarding Belarus, I don't think it's some wacky scheme to get Belarus to attack Ukraine. I take it at face value. The Russians are pissed about Belarus looking westward for economic ties, so they are putting the squeeze on Belarus economically. I would much more expect Russian troops, or "little green men" to start appearing for an uprising in Belarus before I see Belarus attack Ukraine.
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Russia deploys missiles in violate of INF treaty.

Mattis delivers ultimatum to NATO: Cough up more bucks for defense, or we'll cut you loose.


Pentagon considers deploying troops to Syria.


I'm sure we'll be fine ...
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