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Old 09-13-17, 11:32 PM   #20201
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The costs for actual care would be lowered dramatically by a universal system. For-profit treatment facilities are designed to turn a profit, but the government has no such aim. They don't need to worry about shareholder value or any other profit motive. They could also negotiate with drug companies on a mass scale to greatly reduce drug prices.

The tax increase would likely need to be in the mid and very high end. They could structure it so that incomes of 2+ million pay an additional 10% and anyone with income over 20K pays a flat tax based on the number of exemptions being claimed (so people with kids pay more). This prevents low income people being hit and allows the very wealthy to strongly subsidize the program.
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Health Care for all is a multi-Trillion dollar yearly expense. I would like affordable healthcare also, but not if it's going to raise my taxes $50,000 a year so that everyone can be covered at the current costs.

I don't know what the solution is, but Obamacare wasn't it.
You guys are getting close, but you are still tap dancing around the real heart of the issue. Obamacare and all previous and subsequent conversations were about insurance, not healthcare.

A universal care program would need to be just that: universal care. Universal "who picks up the check" doesn't cut it with the existing system. The entire healthcare system needs to be overhauled: not just how we pay for it, but the types/levels of care, how we approve procedures/drugs, the marketing of those, and so on all the way down to how students attend and pay for medical medical school.

Yeah, it gets into some dangerous waters but sometimes we need to look at the question we are asking, not the answer we are seeking. We need to have the courage to accept that capitalism is not always the best answer.
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Old 09-13-17, 11:38 PM   #20202
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Is it just me, or do you think Trump is making nice with the Dems so that come impeachment time some of them are in his corner?
No, he was always like this as he was never an ideologue. The Republican Congress couldn't pass Repeal and Replace and who knows if they can pass Tax Reform, so Trump is pulling a Bill Clinton and Triangulating on certain issues with Dems.

I have been saying all along that Democrats would rather have Trump as President then an ideological guy like Pence or Cruz. Do you think Cruz would make a deal with the Dems on the Debt Limit? That guy would take the government down to stand his ground.

You guys can keep calling Trump a crazy man but he will get more things done in a bipartisan fashion then Cruz or Pence would have ever done. Ryan and McConnell screwed Trump on Repeal & Replace (despite running on THAT for 7 years) and now Trump is going to work with Dems to get certain things done.
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Old 09-13-17, 11:52 PM   #20203
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So WTF is going on? Deal for DACA or no? Is there a wall or no?
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Old 09-13-17, 11:54 PM   #20204
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Never going to agree to that no matter how much Trump passes that I agree with. He has dictatorial leanings, is insane, and can kill us all.

Love seeing him attack Hillary on twitter right after the meeting. Gotta distract the cult
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Old 09-13-17, 11:56 PM   #20205
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So WTF is going on? Deal for DACA or no? Is there a wall or no?
The feeling I got was that the agreed to more funding for general border security and DACA but did not agree to more wall funding. Pelosi or Schumer Threes Companied it and now we have a verbal misunderstanding that hopefully won't affect the DACA deal
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Old 09-14-17, 12:06 AM   #20206
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Old 09-14-17, 12:16 AM   #20207
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Crazy Don doing the bipartisan mambo to further a little bit of humanism. Better than a kick in the shin, at least.
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Old 09-14-17, 12:25 AM   #20208
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Trump just can't stop lying, can he? This stuff is so ridiculously easy to disprove. He is just counting on his base not bothering to fact-check his nonsense.
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Old 09-14-17, 12:37 AM   #20209
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Is it just me, or do you think Trump is making nice with the Dems so that come impeachment time some of them are in his corner?
I don't think he's that forward thinking. Dude just wants to be liked and have lots of wins. He's had nine months of negativiy, so even the tiniest "win" he can take he'll get...doesn't matter which side of the aisle gets him there.
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Old 09-14-17, 06:58 AM   #20210
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https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/908155553289039872

Trump just can't stop lying, can he? This stuff is so ridiculously easy to disprove. He is just counting on his base not bothering to fact-check his nonsense.
I clicked the link and it shows China has two tax rates, including 15% for tech companies.
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Old 09-14-17, 07:49 AM   #20211
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Never going to agree to that no matter how much Trump passes that I agree with. He has dictatorial leanings, is insane, and can kill us all.

Just stop that nonsense about the 'Dictator' stuff. He couldn't even get any legislation passed in a Republican Congress, so he is far from a Dictator. Dictator's actually kill their opponents, or lock up anyone who rebels against them. Dictators hold phony elections like Suddam Husseim did when he got 99% of the vote one year. You sound like my idiot Republican Friends when Obama was President and how they thought he was privately a Muslim who sided with the Terrorists and was going to bring the country down. If you disagree with Trump on policy, then that is a debate we can have, but this hyperbole about everything else is just partisan bullshit that both sides do for 4 years when their party is out of power.
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Old 09-14-17, 08:02 AM   #20212
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Just stop that nonsense about the 'Dictator' stuff. He couldn't even get any legislation passed in a Republican Congress, so he is far from a Dictator. Dictator's actually kill their opponents, or lock up anyone who rebels against them. Dictators hold phony elections like Suddam Husseim did when he got 99% of the vote one year. You sound like my idiot Republican Friends when Obama was President and how they thought he was privately a Muslim who sided with the Terrorists and was going to bring the country down. If you disagree with Trump on policy, then that is a debate we can have, but this hyperbole about everything else is just partisan bullshit that both sides do for 4 years when their party is out of power.
Saying someone has dictatorial leanings is not the same as calling him a dictator. Our politician system prevents that. Trump repeatedly called for his political opponents to be jailed (previously with Clinton and most recently with Comey). We will have to see from Mueller if our election was actually legitimate or if vote totals in key locations were electronically changed and if so, at whose request. Being inept doesn't excuse someone from trying to act as an authoritarian ruler.
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Old 09-14-17, 08:22 AM   #20213
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Unless there was?





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Old 09-14-17, 08:31 AM   #20214
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how can anyone make a deal with someone who is so unpredictable and who changes his mind within hours?
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Old 09-14-17, 08:55 AM   #20215
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Old 09-14-17, 09:24 AM   #20216
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Saying someone has dictatorial leanings is not the same as calling him a dictator...
Thanks and yeah, all that
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Old 09-14-17, 09:27 AM   #20217
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Yeah actually Donald there are tens of millions of people who want to throw them out despite their accomplishments. You know who the people are that want that? Your base. Let's see how they feel about you double crossing them.
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Old 09-14-17, 09:41 AM   #20218
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Yeah actually Donald there are tens of millions of people who want to throw them out despite their accomplishments. You know who the people are that want that? Your base. Let's see how they feel about you double crossing them.
Breitbart comments are blowing up in real time right now:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...llegal-aliens/







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Old 09-14-17, 09:44 AM   #20219
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Yeah actually Donald there are tens of millions of people who want to throw them out despite their accomplishments. You know who the people are that want that? Your base. Let's see how they feel about you double crossing them.
They'll make some noise, but in the end, they'll support him anyways... at least until Bannon himself declares he's running for president in 2020.
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Breitbart comments are blowing up in real time right now:
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This one is great:

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i hate to say it, but trump is looking more and more like the swashbuckling snake oil salesman that the libs keeps portraying him as. this is frightening
Way to go dude.
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God I could watch this all day:



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Old 09-14-17, 10:14 AM   #20223
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That's some real life "artificial" intelligence there.
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Old 09-14-17, 10:30 AM   #20225
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Wait, they united and made Obama a one term president?
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