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Old 01-27-17, 10:45 AM
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I mean, the media has to know by now that they're currently treading into Cry Wolf territory. By the time Trump does something really worth everybody's attention, nobody will be listening.
Well it's certainly a huge thing for the media. Tune in at 11 and see what craziness Trump is up to now. Love or Hate him you hate to admit it's certainly not boring right now in American politics.

The media cries wolf all the time.. they do it with all presidents. When they are wrong, though, the never need to apologize so they just keep doing it because it brings in viewers. That's why I call media outrage "manufactured outrage" because I think, more often than not, the thing they are blowing out of proportion is to try to create a big story instead of just reporting a little one. Sheeple fall for that over and over and over again.

This week started for me reading an article about how the market was going to dive this week over the fear over Trump.. and then it did nothing but go up. I'm sure the day it closes down 1 point I'm sure they will all pat themselves on the back for predicting this obvious beginning of economic meltdown.

Overall Trump has been Trump and it's why I didn't vote for him. Not listening, getting in fights over Twitter, etc.. That's not leadership. That's not going to get people to want to help.

I'm sure we've all had managers that were really nice and you respected them.. so you worked extra hard because you wanted to succeed together. Then there's that manager who downward directs and tells you to "just do it" and doesn't want to hear this or that.. and you do the bare minimum and look for another job. It's pretty obvious to me which one Trump appears to be at least looking in from the outside.
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On a side note, has anyone else had strange timeouts on this site the last day?
Yes! And oddly, soon after someone mentioned that the site might become a target of Trump's troops!

... and if this has already been responded to and discussed, it's because I'm having a heck of a time getting the page to load at all!
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As I've said before is that many of these issues with Trump deserve attention - he just has so many that they are getting muddled. This happened during the election too, where people kept harping on 2-3 issues with Clinton. Meanwhile...Trump had 2-3 issues per week but they kept cancelling the previous ones out in the news cycle.
True. "Overload the system" is right out of Bannon's playbook.
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I mean, the media has to know by now that they're currently treading into Cry Wolf territory. By the time Trump does something really worth everybody's attention, nobody will be listening.
I am not a fan of Trump but he is totally playing the media and the liberals with his constant harping on how many illegals voted in November.

I turned on CNN and MSNBC last night and not only was it on the 'Breaking News' ticker, that's all they pretty much talked about on each 1 hour show.

I believe Trump is doing that as a smokescreen as he continues to sign executive orders of things that the Liberals should really care about.
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Yes! And oddly, soon after someone mentioned that the site might become a target of Trump's troops!

... and if this has already been responded to and discussed, it's because I'm having a heck of a time getting the page to load at all!
To be fair, I'm pretty sure a 10 year old with a Playstation 3 and a mid-tier Comcast connection could take these forums down

I also haven't had any pop-ups/redirects today which is nice.
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Is that one on the bottom left Mexico?
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Secondly, a case can be made that Mexico is in a position of take it or leave it; they need the US far more than the US needs them.

(Remember, I think we both need each other and the relationship is mutually beneficial, even if not entirely equal).
That may be true economically (though I doubt it), but there's more at play here than trade. Mexico is an important partner for us in a wide range of fields, and having a stable North America is the only reason we can pretend that the rest of the world doesn't matter to us. All of that is endangered by Trump's policies. Mexico turning into a China-friendly Chavez-style regime is far worse for us than them.

The Trump administration is having a fierce internal debate over precisely how to tear NAFTA asunder. The president talks about renegotiation, but proposals like border adjustment taxes and import tariffs don’t exactly seem terribly NAFTA-compliant. On Thursday, White House press secretary Sean Spicer floated a very confusing border adjustment tax to pay for the wall, but then walked that trial balloon back. Oh, and the Mexican president canceled his planned visit to meet with President Trump.

Then there are the random presidential tweets.

Trump’s immigration jab is flat-out wrong, but the big thing is that NAFTA looks to be in jeopardy. This has prompted a debate among economists about the trade deal’s relative value to the U.S. economy. Over at Vox, Brad DeLong argues that NAFTA has been accused of a lot of things — like the gutting of American manufacturing — that it did not affect all that much. On his own blog, Dani Rodrik agrees with DeLong on that point, but counters that the distributional effects of NAFTA were huge compared with the modest welfare gains of the deal.

That exchange is well worth reading, but the hard-working staff here at Spoiler Alerts confesses to some frustration, because the debate misses a rather important dimension. As economists, it’s understandable that DeLong and Rodrik focus on the economic aspects of NAFTA. But economics was not the only, or even the primary, reason for negotiating the deal. The Wall Street Journal’s story on the effects of NAFTA finally gets at this point in its closing paragraphs:

Nafta advocates say the economic debate misses the bigger point of the deal, which has been to ameliorate long-standing tensions across the border and turn Mexico into a more steadfast U.S. ally. By that standard, they say, the pact has been a great success, fostering more bilateral cooperation on issues from crime to the environment — and keeping Mexico from following the path of left-wing Latin American countries or drifting closer to American rivals like China.

It is that immeasurable gain that Mr. Trump seems most skeptical about, and most willing to put at risk.
To use the parsimonious language of social media: this this THIS!!

An increasing fraction of America’s voting population has no memory of pre-NAFTA Mexican American relations. It would be safe to describe them as “prickly.” The biggest reason for negotiating NAFTA was for the Mexican government to lock in domestic economic reforms that rejected import substitution policies and integrated the country into the global economy. One of the knock-on effects was for Mexico to transform from a one-party state to a real democracy. The result is a country that views itself as North American.

Most policymakers intuitively understand this next point, but let’s spell it out for President Trump: This is the orientation you want Mexico to have. A friendly Mexican government across the Rio Grande is a heck of a lot better for American interests than a hostile Mexican government.

Don’t take my word for it, though, take Mark Krikorian’s word for it. Krikorian really doesn’t like Mexican immigration. And yet here’s what he told Politico On Thursday:

Krikorian has advised Trump on immigration policy but worries about actions that could damage the broader relationship between the U.S. and Mexico. “I’m uncomfortable because Mexico is the most important country in the world to us next to Canada. They’re not an ally, but they’re not an enemy. They cooperate with us a lot.”

A U.S. diplomat familiar with Mexico warned that it is critical not to view the country solely through the lens of trade or immigration. Mexico is a vital partner on many fronts, including counterterrorism and counternarcotics …
Or read the National Review’s Jose Cardenas, who correctly diagnoses the political blowback Trump will generate inside Mexico:

Economic trouble in our southern neighbor should be on the radar screen of any U.S. president, but what makes the current situation that much more dangerous is that the person who stands to gain most from the turmoil is Mexican opposition politician André Manuel López Obrador, a left-wing populist rabble-rouser in the mold of the late Venezuelan president Hugo Chávez. López Obrador is running for the Mexican presidency (for the third time) in 2018.

In the past, AMLO, as he is known, has tested the patience of Mexicans with his demagoguery and penchant for mobilizing people in the streets, disrupting daily life. However, his strident rhetoric, appeals to nationalism, and rejection of politics as usual in Mexico may represent just the kind of leadership that Mexicans want to confront the Trump phenomenon …

An unfriendly government on our southern border could significantly complicate issues important to the U.S., on everything from border security, counterterrorism, and drug-war cooperation to deportations and restricting Central American migration — the main source of illegal border crossings — bound for the U.S. Continuing economic hardship, the likely result of AMLO’s state-centric approach, would also likely revive outward-migration pressures from Mexico to the United States, which have abated in recent years.
Or read Slate’s Joshua Keating, who concludes, “there’s been a bipartisan consensus in Mexico for decades that the country should bet on economic liberalization and a close political and economic relationship with the United States. That commitment has now been thrown back in their faces in the most humiliating way possible.” The knock-on effects in the rest of Latin America, which had been rejecting populist strongmen as of late, will be equally bad.

The Trump administration assumes that the benefits of unilateral action — building the wall, slapping import tariffs on Mexican goods — will be more effective than bilateral cooperation with the Mexican government. This bet is consistent with the foreign policy blinders that Trump has always displayed: He cannot perceive the benefits of a relationship unless they are tangible and directly in his line of sight.


Trump supporters tend to think that there’s no way things can get worse along the Mexican border. It would appear that the 2018 Mexican election will prove to be a great natural experiment in whether that assumption is correct.
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My god I live on that big blue dick?
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My god I live on that big blue dick?
That's why you don't represent the real America. Los Angeles County has more people than the states of Montana, South Dakota, Idaho, North Dakota, Wyoming, Alaska, Nebraska & West Virginia combined.

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Also posted in abortion thread:

Vice-President Mike Pence speaking right now at March For Life Rally.

Link to C-Span live coverage: https://www.c-span.org/
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Yes! And oddly, soon after someone mentioned that the site might become a target of Trump's troops!

... and if this has already been responded to and discussed, it's because I'm having a heck of a time getting the page to load at all!
There was a DDOS attack on the site last night. Got a report from IB around 6pm last night. It could be anybody. I've been having an email war with a spammer who wanted to sign up for the site and said I should just let him in even though he's been reported by multiple message boards for spamming from North Africa. Could have even been that A-hole.
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There was a DDOS attack on the site last night. Got a report from IB around 6pm last night. It could be anybody. I've been having an email war with a spammer who wanted to sign up for the site and said I should just let him in even though he's been reported by multiple message boards for spamming from North Africa. Could have even been that A-hole.
He probably weighs 400 pounds!
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There was a DDOS attack on the site last night. Got a report from IB around 6pm last night. It could be anybody. I've been having an email war with a spammer who wanted to sign up for the site and said I should just let him in even though he's been reported by multiple message boards for spamming from North Africa. Could have even been that A-hole.
#GiveSpammersAChance
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said I should just let him in even though he's been reported by multiple message boards for spamming from North Africa
Walls just divide people.
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There was a DDOS attack on the site last night. Got a report from IB around 6pm last night. It could be anybody. I've been having an email war with a spammer who wanted to sign up for the site and said I should just let him in even though he's been reported by multiple message boards for spamming from North Africa. Could have even been that A-hole.
Ah, so that's why some folks could not log into the site. We were talking about this on the group page on FB.
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I am off from work today. My Congresswoman was having a one on one "meet the community" thing at the local library. I've been so pissed off about this Trump thing that I decided to go. Her staff said they were not prepared for the turnout that they got. They had never seen a crowd as big as the one that showed up today. I want to say there were about 100 people who showed. Normally they get a dozen or 2. Point being, people are fucking pissed off and feel like they need to do something. I'm going to start attending rallies and getting more involved. I've had it with this alternate universe that has been created.
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Ah, so that's why some folks could not log into the site. We were talking about this on the group page on FB.
Well, at least Polizei and Creekdipper are off the hook as suspects.

Wait, there's a FB page...?

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Walls just divide people.
Robert Frost said they make good neighbors.

(Actually, he didn't).

He only says, "Good fences make good neighbours."
Spring is the mischief in me, and I wonder
If I could put a notion in his head:
"Why do they make good neighbours? Isn't it
Where there are cows? But here there are no cows.
Before I built a wall I'd ask to know
What I was walling in or walling out,
And to whom I was like to give offence.
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I am off from work today. My Congresswoman was having a one on one "meet the community" thing at the local library.
This is a brilliant move.. having it in a library.

You: I AM OUTRAGED OVER TRUMP!
Everyone: Shhhh!
You: i am outraged over trump
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I am off from work today. My Congresswoman was having a one on one "meet the community" thing at the local library. I've been so pissed off about this Trump thing that I decided to go. Her staff said they were not prepared for the turnout that they got. They had never seen a crowd as big as the one that showed up today. I want to say there were about 100 people who showed. Normally they get a dozen or 2. Point being, people are fucking pissed off and feel like they need to do something. I'm going to start attending rallies and getting more involved. I've had it with this alternate universe that has been created.
If we can survive Trump's presidency I think we will see a reinvigorated left. Hell, maybe after enough people lose health coverage and see their rates go up further for those who can keep it, we'll finally get single payer healthcare in this country.
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This is a brilliant move.. having it in a library.

You: I AM OUTRAGED OVER TRUMP!
Everyone: Shhhh!
You: i am outraged over trump

Nah, we have auditoriums for events like this.
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I am off from work today. My Congresswoman was having a one on one "meet the community" thing at the local library. I've been so pissed off about this Trump thing that I decided to go. Her staff said they were not prepared for the turnout that they got. They had never seen a crowd as big as the one that showed up today. I want to say there were about 100 people who showed. Normally they get a dozen or 2. Point being, people are fucking pissed off and feel like they need to do something. I'm going to start attending rallies and getting more involved. I've had it with this alternate universe that has been created.
That's good to hear! (I mean the turnout)

This is the kind of shit that will make thoughtful politicians oppose the bullshit of Trump's administration, when they see their actual constituents be worried about the state of the nation.
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What, no biblical citation from creek?

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I am off from work today. My Congresswoman was having a one on one "meet the community" thing at the local library. I've been so pissed off about this Trump thing that I decided to go. Her staff said they were not prepared for the turnout that they got. They had never seen a crowd as big as the one that showed up today. I want to say there were about 100 people who showed. Normally they get a dozen or 2. Point being, people are fucking pissed off and feel like they need to do something. I'm going to start attending rallies and getting more involved. I've had it with this alternate universe that has been created.


I called my senator last night after she publicly announced she was voting against DeVos. I have never called my senator before.
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