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The Obama Presidential Handover Thread

Looks like Obama has sent Kerry to once again, screw up relations with other countries in order to continue to increase the tensions between them.

We had the ever so popular Iran Deal, which was touted as the "alternative to war", and now we have the US abstaining from a UN vote, which once again reflects the passive/aggressive nature of Obama's politics...and especially, his views on Israel.


Kerry harshly condemns Israeli settler activity as an obstacle to peace


“It will be up to the Israeli people to decide whether the unusually heated attacks that Israeli officials have directed toward this administration best serve Israel’s national interests and its relationship with an ally that has been steadfast in its support,” he said. “Those attacks, alongside allegations of a U.S.-led conspiracy and other manufactured claims, distract and divert attention from what the substance of this vote really was about.”
It's interesting how warm and friendly Obama was to Israel and Benji BEFORE Trump won, but now, it's completely different.

And once again, we have accusations of a US-led conspiracy being simply tossed aside and defined as a "distraction". We've heard this type of response before to accusations which had merit and were found to be true.

Kerry acknowledged that his vision is not shared and is unlikely to be followed by President-elect Donald Trump.

“President Obama and I know that the incoming administration has signaled that they may take a different path, and even suggested breaking from long-standing U.S. policies on settlements, Jerusalem — and possibly the two-state solution,” Kerry said. “That is for them to decide — that’s how we work. But we cannot, in good conscience, do nothing, and say nothing, when we see the hope of peace slipping away. This is a time to stand up for what is right.”
I think we'll see more political IEDs planted by Obama, in order to do be an obstacle to the upcoming new and refreshing administration.

Once again, Obama saying one thing, saying he wants a nice and smooth transition, then doing just the opposite, and blaming and shaming others for "misinterpretations" of his actions.

But we're used to this of dysfunctional behavior.

I listened to Kerry's speech, and it was like listening to Obama himself. I'm surprised he didn't deliver the speech personally, but maybe he was still on vacation, golfing in Hawaii. That's how Obama works.

If Obama's Administration had any sense of leadership, they would have either voted FOR or AGAINST, not abstaining. It was a cowardly way to demonstrate leadership, and a pusillanimous way to clean one's hands if any problems persist in the future.

I wonder what the next political IED will be from Obama and his administration, in order to facilitate world conflict.
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Kerry saying that Israel cannot be both Democratic and Jewish is about the stupidest fucking thing a politician has ever said. What a fucking long faced shitball.
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Yeah, I was rather surprised. Even for Kerry. A one-hour presentation on what is wanted for peace, and I kept asking myself why wasn't this presented...maybe...a little earlier than 3 weeks before a new Presidency? This just wreaks of politics, and certainly nothing do with brokering a peace deal.
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Kerry saying that Israel cannot be both Democratic and Jewish is about the stupidest fucking thing a politician has ever said. What a fucking long faced shitball.
Well, that's not what he said, so ...

If the choice is one-state, Israel can either be Jewish or democratic, it cannot be both and it will not ever live in peace.
Hard to see how you have a state with a majority non-Jewish population that is nonetheless both democratic and Jewish.
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Well, that's not what he said, so ...
No, Jason, that's exactly what he said, your quote proves it.
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Seriously, do we need to go over conditional statements?

If you decide to post something idiotic, you will be wasting the time of everyone who reads it.

That doesn't mean you are wasting everyone's time. It means that if you post something like what you just posted, only then will you be wasting everyone's time.

Kerry very clearly believes that Israel must seek a two-state solution. This is neither novel nor particularly controversial among mainstream American politicians. And the dichotomy he's expressing is exactly the argument that has been made in favor of a two-state solution for decades.

But since you're so sure that Kerry is wrong, why don't you explain how Israel -- a country of about 6 million Jews -- can remain both democratic and Jewish while asserting sovereignty over a roughly equal number of Arab Christians and Muslims with a significantly higher population growth rate?
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No, Jason, that's exactly what he said, your quote proves it.
There was more to Kerry's statement than what you quoted. Are you saying that a one-state solution, with a Jewish state ruling over Palestinians, is "democratic"?
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Well, it's already irrelevant, so... another one Kerry can add to his resume I suppose...
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remember when I called Trump's victory days before the election? that was pretty neat.
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Israel needs to stop seizing land for development in Palestinian territory, and it needs to pursue either a two-state solution or Arab equality if it wants to remain a democracy. I don't see how either of these statements is controversial, but apparently some people are ready to embrace Netanyahu's most extreme positions simply because he talked back to Obama.
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...why don't you explain how Israel -- a country of about 6 million Jews -- can remain both democratic and Jewish while asserting sovereignty over a roughly equal number of Arab Christians and Muslims with a significantly higher population growth rate?
That's not so clear anymore:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/jewish-b...mic-1468499825
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I think we'll see more political IEDs planted by Obama, in order to do be an obstacle to the upcoming new and refreshing administration.
He probably got tired of spending his time teaching a completely unqualified person how to do a job that person is incapable of doing.

But we're used to this of dysfunctional behavior.
You're right, Trump's transition team has been dominating the headlines with their incompetence these days.

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remember when I called Trump's victory days before the election? that was pretty neat.
That was neat. But now Donald Trump is our new king. That's not neat.
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remember when I called Trump's victory days before the election? that was pretty neat.
And they still haven't got over it, visit here and read some of their posts it can be pretty entertaining.
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And they still haven't got over it, visit here and read some of their posts it can be pretty entertaining.
Weird how people won't get over a Russian-backed fascist takeover of their country. Totally unreasonable they're being.
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And they still haven't got over it, visit here and read some of their posts it can be pretty entertaining.
I'm curious to see what kind of special bubble you live in.
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I'm curious to see what kind of special bubble you live in.
It is called Indiana.




(shhhhhh - don't tell anyone, it's were Mike Pence came from).
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It is called Indiana.




(shhhhhh - don't tell anyone, it's were Mike Pence came from).
Is that where he learned to hate the gays?
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It looks like President back stabber designated two new national monuments—protecting over a million acres in Utah and Nevada:



But they have the wrong picture that is actually Arches National Park.

Utah’s Rep. Jason Chaffetz said in a statement he was outraged over the midnight designation as well as with the White House’s geography skills.

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I love that President Obama's evil plot to screw the country on the way out is by protecting areas and designating monuments. The horror!!! Trump could build like 100 soon-to-fail casinos on that land!!
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Is that where he learned to hate the gays?
You might be wrong - right now Pence is in second place (Milo Yiannopoulos is 1st) as the LGBT Person of the Year.
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You might be wrong - right now Pence is in second place (Milo Yiannopoulos is 1st) as the LGBT Person of the Year.
*sigh*
The poll is not an award. It is a reader-driven decision on the year’s top newsmaker.
And it looks like the Reddit trolls are out in force. I'm surprised Hitler isn't #3.
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If Obama's Administration had any sense of leadership, they would have either voted FOR or AGAINST, not abstaining. It was a cowardly way to demonstrate leadership, and a pusillanimous way to clean one's hands if any problems persist in the future.
To walk through the three options - for, against, and abstain - is to walk through three ways of leading.

For - A vote "for" is a gigantic leap in official US policy. The US doesn't officially condemn the settlements as illegal (even though they are) but as detrimental to the peace process, a process that the US has proposed for decades should see a two-state solution. To vote "for" means the US officially declares them illegal, and that won't work for a lot of people.

Against - A vote "against" is more than just same old, same old US policy. While the US has voted against UN statements on Israeli policy in the past, to vote against this one is offering implicit approval of settlements, which again goes against a decades-long stance of seeking a two-state solution. To vote "against" means the US officially gives up, and that won't work for a lot of people.

Abstain - An "abstention" is a middle space to speak. By not voting against, the UN makes its voice heard: these settlements are illegal. By not voting for, the US doesn't raise intense ire: these settlements are illegal. By abstaining, the US reminds the world a two-state solution is the true solution and while it won't admit the settlements are illegal, it does say they harm the peace process. To abstain means the US officially maintains its position, and that won't work for a lot of people.

Of those three, I personally think abstention is the right leadership call.

On a side note, I've been to the Holy Land. I've seen the settlements. They are illegal. I've seen where the homes of Palestinians, both Muslims and Christians, have been bulldozed to make way for them. I've been in walled-off cities like Bethlehem with gates guarded by guns and everyone needs their papers. I've spoken with young people who have never seen the Dead Sea because they can't legally leave their city. I've spoken with children living in trash and squalor in Palestinian ghettos and refugee-filled abandoned buildings. There must be change and one of the greatest ways to make change is to stop the settlements. They will not bring peace, they will only bring war.
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To walk through the three options - for, against, and abstain - is to walk through three ways of leading.

For - A vote "for" is a gigantic leap in official US policy. The US doesn't officially condemn the settlements as illegal (even though they are) but as detrimental to the peace process, a process that the US has proposed for decades should see a two-state solution. To vote "for" means the US officially declares them illegal, and that won't work for a lot of people.

Against - A vote "against" is more than just same old, same old US policy. While the US has voted against UN statements on Israeli policy in the past, to vote against this one is offering implicit approval of settlements, which again goes against a decades-long stance of seeking a two-state solution. To vote "against" means the US officially gives up, and that won't work for a lot of people.

Abstain - An "abstention" is a middle space to speak. By not voting against, the UN makes its voice heard: these settlements are illegal. By not voting for, the US doesn't raise intense ire: these settlements are illegal. By abstaining, the US reminds the world a two-state solution is the true solution and while it won't admit the settlements are illegal, it does say they harm the peace process. To abstain means the US officially maintains its position, and that won't work for a lot of people.

Of those three, I personally think abstention is the right leadership call.

On a side note, I've been to the Holy Land. I've seen the settlements. They are illegal. I've seen where the homes of Palestinians, both Muslims and Christians, have been bulldozed to make way for them. I've been in walled-off cities like Bethlehem with gates guarded by guns and everyone needs their papers. I've spoken with young people who have never seen the Dead Sea because they can't legally leave their city. I've spoken with children living in trash and squalor in Palestinian ghettos and refugee-filled abandoned buildings. There must be change and one of the greatest ways to make change is to stop the settlements. They will not bring peace, they will only bring war.
This sort of measured, contemplative response to complex issues is about to go flying out the window.

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