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Old 02-20-17, 02:46 PM   #1051
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Re: CIA: Russia tried to help Trump win the election: Watersports Anyone?

John Oliver weighs in on the whole Trump/Putin weirdness:

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Re: CIA: Russia tried to help Trump win the election: Watersports Anyone?

I liked his analogy of "it would be nice if you could get along with a bear, but how in the fuck are you going to make that happen?"
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I liked his analogy of "it would be nice if you could get along with a bear, but how in the fuck are you going to make that happen?"
I thought the dancers at the end pretty much summed it up for me.
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So, why isn't the entire Obama Administration in prison.

The Logan Act has nothing to do with Flynn. He was not "undermining" the US.
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Just stop.
Why? Don't like facts?

Where's the Flynn is going to prison!!!!!! thing going. Oh yeah, it's going nowhere.
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Old 02-20-17, 05:53 PM   #1056
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So, why isn't the entire Obama Administration in prison.

The Logan Act has nothing to do with Flynn. He was not "undermining" the US.
He was talking about what an incoming administration would do for a foreign power about penalties imposed by the current administration.

If your mom tells you you can't have candy and your dad tells you you can when your mom leaves, isn't your dad undermining your mom?
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Re: CIA: Russia tried to help Trump win the election: Watersports Anyone?

I don't think the Logan act has ever been enforced
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I don't think the Logan act has ever been enforced
Actually, it's being enforced in a couple of weeks.

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Re: CIA: Russia tried to help Trump win the election: Watersports Anyone?

Comey will testify publicly on Russia investigation next week
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...36081?cmpid=sf
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Old 10-18-17, 08:44 AM   #1060
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Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us...m-company.html





Funny how that worked.

This is really bad. Russian donors who gave money to Secretary of State Clinton's foundation were given permission by Clinton's State Department to buy U.S. uranium.

How is this not a bribe?

Here's some new info on this:


http://nypost.com/2017/10/17/fbi-unc...-nuclear-deal/

Obama administration knew about Russian bribery plot before uranium deal

October 17, 2017

The Obama administration knew that Russia had used bribery, kickbacks and extortion to get a stake in the US atomic-energy industry — but cut deals giving Moscow control of a large chunk of the US uranium supply anyway, according to a report Tuesday.

The FBI used a confidential US witness working inside the Russian nuclear industry to gather records, make secret recordings and intercept *e-mails as early as 2009 that showed the Kremlin had compromised an American uranium trucking company, The Hill reported.

Executives at the company, Transport Logistics International, kicked back about $2 million to the Russians in exchange for lucrative no-bid contracts — a scheme that violated the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, the report said.

The feds also learned that Russian nuclear officials had gotten millions of dollars into the US designed to benefit the Clinton Foundation at the same time then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton served on a government committee that signed off on the deals, sources told The Hill.

The racketeering operation was conducted “with the consent of higher-level officials” in Russia who “shared the proceeds” from the kickbacks, an agent later stated in an affidavit.

But the Justice Department under Attorney General Eric Holder did not bring charges in the case prior to the deals being cut.

At the time, President Obama and Clinton’s State Department were trying to “reset” relations between the two nuclear rivals — an effort that largely failed.

The first deal was wrapped up in October 2010 when the State Department and the Committee on Foreign Investment agreed to sell part of Uranium One, a Toronto-based mining giant with operations in Wyoming, Australia, Canada, Kazakhstan, South Africa and elsewhere, to the Russian nuclear company Rosatom.

The move gave the Russians control over roughly 20 percent of the US uranium supply — and gave Russian strongman Vladimir Putin a large and profitable stake in the US atomic-power industry.

When Donald Trump slammed Clinton on the campaign trail in 2016 over the sale, her spokesman said she was not involved in the committee review and that the State Department official who handled it said she “never intervened . . . on any [committee] matter.”

In the second deal, in 2011, Obama gave the OK for Rosatom’s Tenex subsidiary to sell the Canadian company’s uranium to American nuclear power plants.

Before, Tenex could only sell reprocessed uranium from dismantled Soviet nuclear weapons to power plants in the US.

“The Russians were compromising American contractors in the nuclear industry with kickbacks and extortion threats, all of which raised legitimate national-security concerns. And none of that evidence got aired before the Obama administration made those decisions,” a source told the paper.

Instead of disclosing the racket in 2010, Justice continued investigating for nearly four more years, so Americans and Congress didn’t know about Russian nuclear corruption at the time the deals were completed.

Obama and the Clintons defended their actions in 2015, declaring that there was no evidence that Russians had done anything wrong and there was no national-security reason to oppose the Uranium One deal.

The decision to approve Rosatom’s purchase of Uranium One has been a source of political controversy since 2015, when author Peter Schweizer documented how Bill Clinton pocketed hundreds of thousands of dollars in speaking fees from Russian entities.

But FBI, Energy Department and court documents showed that the feds had gathered a mountain of evidence well before the committee’s decision that Vadim Mikerin — the top Russian overseeing Putin’s nuclear expansion inside the US — was engaged in crooked behavior starting in 2009.

Holder was also on the foreign-investments committee at the time the Uranium One deal was approved — but multiple current and former government officials told The Hill they did not know whether the FBI or DOJ ever told other committee members about the crimes they had uncovered.

Evidence of the illegal conduct was gathered with the help of an American businessman who acted as a confidential witness and who began making kickback payments at Mikerin’s direction and with the permission of the FBI.

The first kickback recorded by the FBI through its informant was dated Nov. 27, 2009, the records show.

In affidavits signed in 2014 and 2015, an Energy Department agent assigned to help the FBI in the case testified that Mikerin supervised a “racketeering scheme” that involved extortion, bribery, money-laundering and kickbacks that were directed by Russia and provided kickbacks to top Russian energy officials with ties to the Kremlin, according to the report.

The case exposed a serious national-security breach, The Hill reported, as Mikerin had given a no-bid contract to Transport Logistics International that transported Russia’s uranium around the US in return for more than $2 million in kickbacks from some of its executives to the Russians, court records show.
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Old 10-21-17, 05:56 PM   #1061
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Re: CIA: Russia tried to help Trump win the election: Watersports Anyone?

If we were ever to get to the bottom of actual collusion it just might be the Democrats with Fusion GPS:

The Fusion Collusion

Kim Strassel’s Wall Street Journal column updates the story of the appearance of two Fusion GPS principals before the House Intelligence Committee
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[Fusion GPS is] the firm behind the infamous “dossier” accusing Donald Trump of not just unbecoming behavior but also colluding with Russia. Republicans are investigating whether the Fusion dossier was influenced by Russians, and whether American law enforcement relied on that disinformation for its own probe.

But Fusion’s secret weapon in its latest operation is the Democratic Party, whose most powerful members have made protecting Fusion’s secrets their highest priority. Senate Democrats invoked a parliamentary maneuver in July to block temporarily Mr. Browder’s public testimony. Rep. Adam Schiff, the Democratic ranking member on the Intelligence Committee, has been engineering flaps to undercut and obstruct Mr. Nunes’s investigation. Democrats on the House Ethics Committee have deep-sixed what was meant to be a brief inquiry to clear Mr. Nunes so as to keep him sidelined.

Then there is the intel committee’s meeting this week. Despite the spin, forcing Fusion to appear was Republicans’ only recourse after months of stonewalling. Fusion’s letter ludicrously claimed that Mr. Nunes’s subpoenas were invalid, which essentially forced the committee to show otherwise. It was a question of authority.

Florida Rep. Tom Rooney put the Fusion attendees through a series of questions not out of spite but to clarify finally just what topics the firm is refusing to talk about. The Fifth Amendment doesn’t provide protection against answering all questions. It only protects against providing self-incriminating evidence. It is therefore revealing that Fusion took the Fifth on every topic—from its relationship with British spook Christopher Steele, to the history of its work, to its role in the dossier.

The untold story is the Democrats’ unprecedented behavior. Mr. Rooney had barely started when committee staffers for Mr. Schiff interrupted, accused him of badgering witnesses, and suggested he was acting unethically. Jaws dropped. Staff do not interrupt congressmen. They do not accuse them of misbehavior. And they certainly do not act as defense attorneys for witnesses. No Democratic lawmakers had bothered to come to the hearing to police this circus, and Mr. Rooney told me that he “won’t be doing any more interviews without a member from the minority present.”

Private-sector lawyers also tend not to accuse congressmen of unethical behavior, as Mr. Levy did in his letter to Mr. Nunes. But Fusion’s legal eagle must feel safe. He’s former general counsel to the Senate’s minority leader, Chuck Schumer. He has also, I’m told by people familiar with the committee’s activities, more than once possessed information that he would have had no earthly means of knowing, since it was secret committee business. Consider that: Democratic members of Congress or their staff providing sensitive details of an investigation to a company to which the committee has given subpoenas.
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That's an interesting alternative narrative. Unfortunately for the author, even Republican staffers are admitting that Republican legislators on the committee are playing defense for the administration instead of trying to perform a proper investigation of Russian interference in the election. Also note that the author fails to mention that Nunes stepped aside but never formally recused and is essentially running his own investigation now.

Partisan feud undercuts Trump-Russia probe, U.S. Democrats charge at Reuters.com

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Democrats on a congressional panel say members of its Republican majority are trying to sabotage an investigation into suspected Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. election, raising concerns the two parties will reach contradictory conclusions.

Republicans on the U.S. House of Representatives Intelligence Committee have coached witnesses, scheduled interviews without first requesting important documents, and many fail to attend witness interviews, four sources close to the investigation said.
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Two Republican committee staffers, speaking on the condition of anonymity, also criticized what they called a partisan effort to discredit rather than investigate allegations that some aides or advisers to Republican Trump’s election campaign may have colluded with Russia, which has been under U.S. sanctions for several years.

The conduct of the probe so far, those staffers and other sources said, threatens to undermine the committee’s reputation for bipartisanship under former Republican chairman Mike Rogers, who led the committee from 2011 to 2015.
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Democrats said that the Republicans appear to want to undermine the credibility of Fusion GPS, a political research firm that commissioned former British spy Christopher Steele to produce a dossier on Trump while he was running for president.
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Panel chairman Nunes, a Trump ally, was forced to step aside from leading the probe in April after the House Ethics Committee said it was investigating allegations that he disclosed classified information without authorization. Democrats on the committee praise Representative Mike Conaway, the Republican who took Nunes’ place leading the investigation.

Nevertheless, Nunes is investigating Fusion GPS and Steele on his own. On Oct. 10, Nunes subpoenaed the firm’s partners, a source familiar with the matter said.

Sources familiar with the origins of the dossier said Steele received no money for his work on it from any Russian entity or person or from the FBI. It has been widely reported that supporters of Republican Jeb Bush, one of Trump’s opponents for the party’s presidential nomination, initially paid for research that was later picked up by Clinton supporters.
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Old 10-21-17, 08:55 PM   #1063
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Look at Nunes's public comments about the investigation and then tell me why he is still chairman of the committee. The guy is a complete hack. At the start of the investigation, he was saying that "there is nothing there" and talking about McCarthyism and witch hunts. He never wanted to perform a proper investigation, and his behavior this year has reflected his preconceptions about the case.
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Ghostbuster - I went ahead and posted the whole thing:

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Partisan feud undercuts Trump-Russia probe, U.S. Democrats charge

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrats on a congressional panel say members of its Republican majority are trying to sabotage an investigation into suspected Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. election, raising concerns the two parties will reach contradictory conclusions.

Republicans on the U.S. House of Representatives Intelligence Committee have coached witnesses, scheduled interviews without first requesting important documents, and many fail to attend witness interviews, four sources close to the investigation said.

On one occasion, three sources said, Republican Representative Trey Gowdy told Jared Kushner, President Donald Trump’s son-in-law and White House aide, that he was testifying voluntarily and could leave whenever he liked. After about two-and-a-half hours, one of the sources said, Kushner took the cue and left before Democrats had finished questioning him. Kushner’s lawyer and Gowdy did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

The panel has heard from about 10 witnesses, the sources said. But given the lack of preparation and the absence of many Republican members, hearings amount to “going through the motions” rather than a serious investigation, one source said.

Two Republican committee staffers, speaking on the condition of anonymity, also criticized what they called a partisan effort to discredit rather than investigate allegations that some aides or advisers to Republican Trump’s election campaign may have colluded with Russia, which has been under U.S. sanctions for several years.

The conduct of the probe so far, those staffers and other sources said, threatens to undermine the committee’s reputation for bipartisanship under former Republican chairman Mike Rogers, who led the committee from 2011 to 2015.

Representative Jackie Speier, a California Democrat, said that while she would like to believe the panel “will come together unified in its conclusions and submit a joint report, I‘m not overly optimistic that this will be the case.”

Another committee Democrat, Representative Eric Swalwell, said, “That is our North Star, unity and consensus on what happened. Now along the way we’ve seen disruptive behavior that has I think impeded our investigation, and despite that we still are doggedly trying to find out what happened.”

Asked for comment, Jack Langer, a spokesman for Republican committee chairman, Representative Devin Nunes, said in a statement: “With this article, Reuters is acting as a loyal, obedient stenographer of the Democrats’ utterly baseless complaints.”

Langer did not respond to Reuters’ request to address specific complaints made by the Democrats.

POSSIBLE MOTIVES?

Democratic members and staffers on the committee have said nothing publicly about the Republicans’ possible motives for fear of destroying any chance to produce a bipartisan report, four sources said.

Democrats said that the Republicans appear to want to undermine the credibility of Fusion GPS, a political research firm that commissioned former British spy Christopher Steele to produce a dossier on Trump while he was running for president.

Investigators are attempting to confirm or dismiss the contents of Steele’s dossier, which outlined Russian financial and personal links to Trump’s campaign and associates.

U.S. intelligence agencies concluded in January that Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered a campaign of hacking and propaganda to undermine faith in the U.S. election, denigrate Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton, and help Trump. The Kremlin has repeatedly denied the allegations.

Trump disputes he and his associates colluded with Moscow, calling probes by Congress and a special counsel a “witch hunt.”

Panel chairman Nunes, a Trump ally, was forced to step aside from leading the probe in April after the House Ethics Committee said it was investigating allegations that he disclosed classified information without authorization. Democrats on the committee praise Representative Mike Conaway, the Republican who took Nunes’ place leading the investigation.

Nevertheless, Nunes is investigating Fusion GPS and Steele on his own. On Oct. 10, Nunes subpoenaed the firm’s partners, a source familiar with the matter said.

Sources familiar with the origins of the dossier said Steele received no money for his work on it from any Russian entity or person or from the FBI. It has been widely reported that supporters of Republican Jeb Bush, one of Trump’s opponents for the party’s presidential nomination, initially paid for research that was later picked up by Clinton supporters.

The House and Senate intelligence committees, created in the aftermath of U.S. spy scandals exposed in the 1970s, have long traditions of avoiding partisan feuds.

Three sources familiar with the House committee’s workings said Democrats had requested a meeting of all members to resolve differences, but the Republicans rejected the idea.

If the rift cannot be healed, the sources said, the Democrats could write their own report and seek to associate it with what is expected to be a bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee report.

Representative Adam Schiff, the House committee’s top Democrat, wrote in The Washington Post last weekend that he still hoped members could arrive at a common conclusion.

“This remains my hope - not consistency for the sake of consistency, or at the cost of incomplete work, but in the service of a public that has too often been forced to choose between competing narratives of the same events,” Schiff wrote.
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Here's Nunes talking a few weeks before the New York Times revealed the meeting between Junior, Kushner, Manafort, and Russians. Again, Nunes had already drawn his conclusions. Total hack. And he's too stupid to even understand how inappropriate his behavior is.

Nunes: No collusion between Trump and Russians at Politico.com

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House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes said Saturday there “was never any collusion between Donald Trump and the Russians,” casting himself as a victim of media bias and calling on Washington to “stop chasing Russian ghosts around the closet.”
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Old 10-23-17, 01:55 PM   #1066
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Bill Browder's (he testified recently before Senate Intelligence committee and is responsible for Magnitsky Act) Visa has been revoked on the same day Russia was able to add him to Interpol's most wanted (on the fifth try).
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Has no one complimented the hilarity of the title change?
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I thought this was about the Mueller investigation until I did a search.

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Besides Mr. Mueller's investigation, no fewer than four congressional committees are also probing the Russia and obstruction matters: the Senate intelligence committee, Senate judiciary committee, House intelligence committee and House oversight committee.
Damn, that's a lot of investigating.
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Democrats are now distancing themselves -

"New" DNC Denies Knowledge Of Trump Dossier Funding:


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Weird. I thought most folks didn't care how information gathering was funded, only that the information itself was true or false.

So... does this mean the entire dossier is true?

Even... the pee tape?

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2. Dems paid for later work.
3. ALL this was known MONTHS ago.
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Weird. I thought most folks didn't care how information gathering was funded, only that the information itself was true or false.

So... does this mean the entire dossier is true?

Even... the pee tape?

edit: also of interest:

https://twitter.com/Shareblue/status/923199418706415616
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https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/shareblue/

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1. GOP paid for #TrumpDossier first.
2. Dems paid for later work.
3. ALL this was known MONTHS ago.
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The research was actually initiated in 2015 by “a wealthy Republican donor who strongly opposed Mr. Trump,” according to the New York Times, but when that source of funding dried up the San Francisco law firm Perkins Coie brokered a deal to keep it going on behalf of the Democrats.
https://www.snopes.com/2017/10/25/dn...teele-dossier/
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Until now, though, the dossier had not been tied specifically to the Clinton campaign or the DNC.

Some of the pushback on the left has focused on the fact that a still-unidentified Republican client retained Fusion GPS to do research on Trump before the Clinton campaign and the DNC did. Thus, they argue, it's wrong to say the dossier was just funded by Democrats.

But The Post is reporting that the dossier's author, Steele, wasn't brought into the mix until after Democrats retained Fusion GPS. So while both sides paid Fusion GPS, Steele was only funded by Democrats.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...what-it-means/
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I appreciate the info on Shareblue. Not entirely sure how that changes what was known, but still good to know.

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The research was actually initiated in 2015 by “a wealthy Republican donor who strongly opposed Mr. Trump,” according to the New York Times, but when that source of funding dried up the San Francisco law firm Perkins Coie brokered a deal to keep it going on behalf of the Democrats.
So:
- A wealthy Republican initiated it.
- A law firm, on behalf of the Democrats kept it going.
So... this was known, yes?
How does this differ from what Shareblue said? Are you saying the wealthy Republican wasn't doing it on behalf of the GOP? Are you saying the law firm that kept it going wasn't doing so on behalf of the Dems?

I'll grant that how it ties to Clinton specifically may be new information, sure, but I'm not sure how it's relevant to the bigger picture. It sounds like something to be outraged about for the sake of outrage, as opposed to, you know, the contents of the dossier and the implications/ramifications of what it all means.
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I don't know this guy's personal bias, but it's a good summary, no?

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Re: CIA: Russia tried to help Trump win the election: Watersports Anyone?

Rick Perlstein? He's a non-academic historian of the modern conservative movement, and the author of three very, VERY good and highly regarded books - Before The Storm (Goldwater and the roots of modern conservatism), Nixonland (Nixon and its initial rise to power with the advent of the 'Southern Strategy'), and The Invisible Bridge (Reagan and the completion of its takeover of the Republican Party). That said, he writes from a decidedly liberal perspective, so YMMV.
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"Just because their victims are still alive doesn't mean they didn't commit murder." - grundle
"You concentrate on the sad wanna be hooliganism and let us worry about the actual soccer." - rocketsauce (final score: Columbus 2-Chicago 1)
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