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Old 03-18-16, 09:10 PM
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Note to self: when visiting North Korea, don't steal stuff..

Okay, you can say the kid is a dufus, but weren't we all at age 21?

When I was about that age, I studied for a semester abroad in Denmark. As part of my class on the Soviet Union, we did a two week trip to Leningrad and Moscow. Now I didn't steal anything, but my friends and I did trade some jeans with some Russian kids for a Soviet hockey jersey, which was technically prohibited. I have no idea what would have happened if we had been caught.

This is a pretty harsh price to pay for being an idiot at age 21.

North Korea Sentences Otto Warmbier, U.S. Student, to 15 Years’ Labor



By CHOE SANG-HUN and RICK GLADSTONEMARCH 16, 2016

SEOUL, South Korea — An American college student who tearfully apologized for trying to steal a political propaganda poster from his hotel in Pyongyang, the North Korean capital, was sentenced on Wednesday to 15 years of prison and hard labor.

The punishment of the student, Otto F. Warmbier, infuriated the White House and elicited strong condemnations from other officials and rights activists. It came amid rising tensions between North Korea and the United States over North Korea’s unbridled nuclear weapons and missile testing.

Hours later, the Obama administration announced broad new sanctions against North Korean officials and a range of industries in the country, including the shipping, mining, energy and financial service sectors. American officials said the sanctions were an outcome of a new United Nations Security Council resolution imposed on North Korea two weeks ago.

“These actions are consistent with our longstanding commitment to apply sustained pressure on the North Korean regime,” the White House said in a statement.

Mr. Warmbier, 21, a University of Virginia undergraduate from the Cincinnati area, was convicted after a one-hour trial Wednesday morning at North Korea’s Supreme Court, news services in Pyongyang reported. A clip from state television showed Mr. Warmbier, head down and hands shackled, as he was escorted by two officers in and out of court.

The sentence was the latest in a series of penalties that the government has meted out to a small number of American tourists, missionaries and journalists in recent years for what have been deemed antistate crimes, including accusations of illegal entry and leaving a Bible behind in a hotel.

But even by North Korea’s standards, the punishment for Mr. Warmbier appeared to be extreme for an act that might amount to a harmless misdemeanor elsewhere. The Obama administration, along with Mr. Warmbier’s other American supporters and rights activists, denounced the sentence.

Josh Earnest, the White House press secretary, said that it was “increasingly clear that the North Korean government intends to use these citizens as pawns,” and that Mr. Warmbier’s arrest demonstrated why it was hazardous to visit North Korea.

The State Department strongly discourages Americans from traveling to the country, but it is not illegal to do so.

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Gov. John Kasich of Ohio, a Republican candidate for president, said in a statement on his website that Mr. Warmbier’s detention “was completely unjustified and the sentence North Korea imposed on him is an affront to concepts of justice.”

Mr. Kasich, who has spoken with Mr. Warmbier’s parents and has repeatedly called on North Korea to free Mr. Warmbier, said in the statement that “continuing to hold him only further alienates North Korea from the international community.”

Phil Robertson, the deputy Asia director for Human Rights Watch, said that the punishment of “15 years’ hard labor for a college-style prank is outrageous and shocking.”

Mr. Warmbier’s punishment was announced less than a day after Bill Richardson, a longtime American diplomat and former governor of New Mexico who has visited Pyongyang a number of times, met with two North Korean officials in New York to urge Mr. Warmbier’s release on humanitarian grounds.

Mr. Richardson, who had been asked by Mr. Kasich to become involved in the case because of his experience in dealing with North Korea, suggested that the punishment should not necessarily be taken at face value.

“An unfortunate development but a familiar pattern with American detainees,” Mr. Richardson said in an email. “Hopefully a prelude to negotiations that might lead to a release on humanitarian grounds.”

Mr. Warmbier, who entered North Korea as part of a tour group, was detained on Jan. 2 as he was about to board a plane to leave the country. In announcing his arrest, the state news media said that Mr. Warmbier had visited with the intent of “bringing down the foundation of its single-minded unity.”

The charges against him claimed that the C.I.A., a secretive American university organization and a member of a church in Ohio had encouraged him to commit the “hostile act” of stealing a political poster from a wall in his hotel.

Late last month, Mr. Warmbier sobbed and pleaded for his release at a government-arranged news conference in Pyongyang, where he admitted stealing the poster and said that the church member had offered to buy him a used car worth $10,000 in exchange. “I made the worst mistake of my life,” Mr. Warmbier said.

It was impossible to determine whether Mr. Warmbier had been coerced into making the statements. Some American detainees who have spoken at similar news conferences in Pyongyang later said, after being freed, that they had been forced to confess to crimes and to apologize.

Choe Sang-Hun reported from Seoul, and Rick Gladstone from New York. Gardiner Harris contributed reporting from Washington.
Old 03-18-16, 11:08 PM
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Note to self: don't visit North Korea
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Re: Note to self: when visiting North Korea, don't steal stuff..

God, don't go there are all. What year was it that you went to USSR Ki-Fi? From the sounds of it the late '80s. That was far safer than going to N. Korea today.
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Why anyone would go there is beyond me, unless it's to waste that disgusting little weasel.
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Re: Note to self: when visiting North Korea, don't steal stuff..

Gov. John Kasich of Ohio, a Republican candidate for president, said in a statement on his website that Mr. Warmbier’s detention “was completely unjustified and the sentence North Korea imposed on him is an affront to concepts of justice.”
Wow, Kasich had some harsh language there.

Unfortunately, the stupid ass committed a crime of theft of a government object, and if he knew anything about North Korea, perception...or the violation of that perception, can be as severe as a violent crime against a human being.

And the sentence was completely justified, because different countries have different rules. You go into that country, and violate their rules...you reap the consequences of their rules.

The concepts of justice are not consistent in this world...and never will be.

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Re: Note to self: when visiting North Korea, don't steal stuff..

Yeah, I'm like, Holy shit, why even go to North Korea at all? That's like, literally, the last place on Earth (outside of certain parts of the Middle East or Warlord-controlled Africa) that I'd want to go.

The Soviet Union, during the 80s, might have been kind of cool. And, whatever else you could say about the Soviets at the time, they weren't bugfuck insane.
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Re: Note to self: when visiting North Korea, don't steal stuff..

Soviet Union seemed fine as long as you didn't fuck w/ their shit. NK? Not so much.

Still... this guy was stupid as fuck for messing w/ their shit.
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Re: Note to self: when visiting North Korea, don't steal stuff..

Lil' Kim executed his chief of defense for the crime of falling asleep during a meeting. He had him taken out to a gun range and blown to pieces with an anti-aircraft gun.

Seriously, folks, stay as far away from that shithole as you can.

It sounds like that one planet they went to on Star Trek The Next Generation where any crime, no matter how insignificant, was punishable by death, and Wesley didn't see a "Keep off the grass" sign.
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Re: Note to self: when visiting North Korea, don't steal stuff..

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Note to self: don't visit North Korea
This

The only problem is that Westerners can't stay away from the shitholes of the world.
Every time there is some kind of tragedy guess who's always caught up in there.

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Americans have an arrogance that they can go wherever they want and the local laws don't apply to them.
If you don't want to get killed by Indians, stay out of Indian territory.
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God, don't go there are all. What year was it that you went to USSR Ki-Fi? From the sounds of it the late '80s. That was far safer than going to N. Korea today.
Yes, that was '87. I agree that NK today is far more extreme than the Soviet Union was. It was quite a culture shock at the time though, going from Western Europe to the Soviet Union. It was like stepping back in time 30 years to some gray,shabby, dreary other world. Lots of police and soldiers everywhere, with big propaganda posters all around. All the people were quite friendly, however. Weird to think how that whole world has completely disappeared.
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Re: Note to self: when visiting North Korea, don't steal stuff..

I don't know why people go to these places and do stupid crap. Maybe he didn't think he'd get caught or something and he'd be the life of the party when he got back. Or maybe he didn't even steal anything at all and they made the whole thing up. They can basically do or say whatever they want. It works for them because they usually get Clinton or some well known US figure to go over there to ask for a release and they use as propaganda.

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It sounds like that one planet they went to on Star Trek The Next Generation where any crime, no matter how insignificant, was punishable by death, and Wesley didn't see a "Keep off the grass" sign.
Huntington Library.. right near where a work. Picard should have just let them do it.
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Americans have an arrogance that they can go wherever they want and the local laws don't apply to them.
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or kill the Indians
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The only problem is that Westerners can't stay away from the shitholes of the world.
Every time there is some kind of tragedy guess who's always caught up in there.
I agree, it's sort of embarrassing. Remember those idiots "hiking" into Iran.

Who the FUCK takes a hike in Iran. I mean, seriously. Of all the places in the world...they choose to hike in Iran.

Same with the Iranian prisoners who were American. All of them willingly went into Iran, a few of them were Christian...what the fuck did they expect. I have no sympathy. It's one thing to be kidnapped outside of a terrorist country then taken back to it, but when you willingly go there...you're on your own, dumbass.
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Dude 1 : Dude wouldn't it be cool to ride our bikes across Sudan.
Dude 2 : Fuck yeah dude! Let's book a flight right away.
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Re: Note to self: when visiting North Korea, don't steal stuff..

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Okay, you can say the kid is a dufus, but weren't we all at age 21?

When I was about that age, I studied for a semester abroad in Denmark. As part of my class on the Soviet Union, we did a two week trip to Leningrad and Moscow. Now I didn't steal anything, but my friends and I did trade some jeans with some Russian kids for a Soviet hockey jersey, which was technically prohibited. I have no idea what would have happened if we had been caught.

This is a pretty harsh price to pay for being an idiot at age 21.
It's fucking North Korea. He's a dufus indeed and deserves it, considering the way they are there. It's not a harsh price for North Korea. He knew full well how shit like that is handled. At least he'll be buff when he leaves at the age of 36.
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At least he'll be buff when he leaves at the age of 36.
I doubt that, he'll probably come out of there looking double his age with grey hair and all kinds of ailments from malnutrition.
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Saw an article earlier this week that said he was stealing a propaganda poster for his friend's church, who was going to pay him $20K or something like that.
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Dude 1 : Dude wouldn't it be cool to ride our bikes across Sudan.
Dude 2 : Fuck yeah dude! Let's book a flight right away.
South or North? Not that either is hospitable.
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he was stealing a propaganda poster for his friend's church
The "thou shall steal away!" church?
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Saw an article earlier this week that said he was stealing a propaganda poster for his friend's church, who was going to pay him $20K or something like that.
I guess the ten commandments doesn't apply to stealing from non-christian heathens.
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Re: Note to self: when visiting North Korea, don't steal stuff..

I know I'm really going out on a limb here, but did it ever cross your minds that maybe he wasn't really stealing the sign for a church and the CIA, and that story was possibly a slight fabrication from the North Koreans?
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I don't believe it. But I do believe that he was dumbass enough to be in NK. That's just... something we know some Americans still do.

Why was he there? Everyone talks about some shit he took but not why he was there.
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Well shit if I had a chance to get on a plane and travel, of the hundreds of places I could go to, my top choices would be : North Korea, Somalia, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan and Thailand. After I've had one of my kidneys removed against my will, I can always cry for them to take me to the American embassy. Maybe I might even become a Youtube celebrity and go viral with a video of my decapitation.
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Re: Note to self: when visiting North Korea, don't steal stuff..

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I know I'm really going out on a limb here, but did it ever cross your minds that maybe he wasn't really stealing the sign for a church and the CIA, and that story was possibly a slight fabrication from the North Koreans?
You know, I don't even care.

Just being there get's a nice big, fat, and juicy GUILTY from me.

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