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Old 01-23-16, 12:54 PM   #26
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Re: 2016 One and Only Abortion Thread

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And unless you are going to state that none of those people believe in a higher power, and follow their the tenants for their religion, your previously posted BS about how those that are pro-choice are immoral and making up their own rules is just that. Pure BS.
Could you please do a few favors?

Please try really, really hard to find some other pet phrases besides "playing games" (usually pulled out when you just disappear when confronted with irrefutable evidence that contradicts your own posts except for the times when you simply disappear without a response, only to emerge and try again later) and, of course, your favorite word..."bigot."

Also, please use the word "tenets" unless you are referring to persons who inhabit a dwelling, usually of the rented variety.

It's probably asking too much that you stop amending your posts (or, at least, acknowledge your qualifiers) when you state emphatically without reservation what others think...offering no exceptions...and then, when rebutted, search until you find an exception to your own blanket statement. That smacks of another of your pet phrases ("moving the goalposts).

Lastly, you don't appear to recognize that stating your opinion is just an opinion. You don't seem to be aware that your own postings can easily be regarded by the same terms you apply to the posts of others.

Aside from the basic evading the issue, your post does nothing to further your opinion. I'm not even sure that you know what point you are trying to make. What...because some people think that what they are doing is not immoral, then that makes it a fact? How extensively do you apply that?

Answer this: Do you think that it's immoral to deny people the right to abortion? Do you think it's immoral to deny homosexuals the right to "marry?"

Then, according to your own post above, if you can find find those who follow the tenets of their religion which state that both those positions are absolutely true, your view is merely a subjective opinion (or, in your own words, "BS").

Logic is your friend if you'll allow it to influence your thinking.
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Old 01-23-16, 12:55 PM   #27
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For the misinformed who continue to demonstrate their lack of information, here is the stance of the Constitution Party regarding abortion:

http://www.constitutionparty.com/the...ity-of-life-2/
A bunch of loonies that include Pat Buchanan who want America to become a theocracy, nice!
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Old 01-23-16, 12:56 PM   #28
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And completely failed to make your case.
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Old 01-23-16, 12:59 PM   #29
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A bunch of loonies that include Pat Buchanan who want America to become a theocracy, nice!
More like expected.
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Old 01-23-16, 01:01 PM   #30
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Re: 2016 One and Only Abortion Thread

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Also, please use the word "tenets" unless you are referring to persons who inhabit a dwelling, usually of the rented variety.
Games it is. Just as expected, but I figured I would be generous and give you the benefit of the doubt.

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I'm not the one that in misinformed. Wonder if you'll admit your ignorance or just continue playing your games.

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/01/16/r...s-on-abortion/

This particular one is worth noting:

The National Association of Evangelicals has passed a number of resolutions (most recently in 2010) stating its opposition to abortion. However, the organization recognizes that there might be situations in which terminating a pregnancy is warranted – such as protecting the life of a mother or in cases of rape or incest.

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Old 01-23-16, 01:06 PM   #31
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If life begins at conception, why do we measure our lives by our birthdates?
Depends upon what you mean by "measuring our lives," but it's a fair question.

I think it fair to say that, practically speaking, it's much easier to pinpoint the moment a child emerges from the womb than the moment the child is conceived. Also, it's easier for a one-year-old to blow out a candle than a three-month old.

Other practical considerations include the fact that miscarriages (infant death in the womb) make parents reluctant to raise expectations prematurely...evidenced by the fact that parents still hold their breath even when the child emerges from the womb hoping that the child will be healthy.

Another pragmatic reason could be that, until recent technological developments, parents could not know the gender of their child until live birth. That made baby showers, etc. a bit more difficult, although the child would be (under normal circumstances) three months old a year after conception, so that shouldn't pose a problem even for parents who still don't want to know ahead of time.

But you're right...there is no logical reason that one-year commemorations shouldn't mark conception rather than live birth. It's simply a tradition like many other traditions established over thousands of years.
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Old 01-23-16, 01:07 PM   #32
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Re: 2016 One and Only Abortion Thread

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Games it is. Just as expected, but I figured I would be generous and give you the benefit of the doubt.
Yes, your posts have always demonstrated exceeding generosity.
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Old 01-23-16, 01:15 PM   #33
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Re: 2016 One and Only Abortion Thread

Let's clear this whole issue up once and for all.

Abortion is a woman's right and her choice to make, so unless you're the one pregnant, it's none of your fucking business.

Don't like abortion? Don't have one. Issue resolved.

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Old 01-23-16, 01:26 PM   #34
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Let's clear this whole issue up once and for all.

Abortion is a woman's right and her choice to make, so unless you're the one pregnant, it's none of your fucking business.

Don't like abortion? Don't have one. Issue resolved.

/thread
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Old 01-23-16, 01:26 PM   #35
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We've had these discussions before.

And again, pro-choice simply means wanting the option to choose one way or the other. It's not a euphemism - it's right there in the phrase. You don't want others to make that decision for you.
Yes, Draven, we've had these discussions for years in this forum, and yes, I can't recall anyone's mind being changed either way from these discussions (maybe I should allow the WOMEN who changed my mind decades ago with their passionate defense of life to speak to you).

But the term "pro-choice" still causes a lot of angst for many here who claim that mantle. No one is arguing that the person proudly wearing the label is a proponent of giving the "choice" to people re: whether to carry our the "procedure" (history is rife with people who hid behind "medical" terminology in vain attempts to justify their crimes). The crux of the matter is whether the action is morally justifiable and warrants a "choice."

If there is nothing wrong with abortion, then the matter is closed. If it's wrong, then the matter is closed. No "nuance" needed.

I believe that you (and even the most ardent supporters of "choice") would most likely agree that some actions should be considered as "wrong," "immoral," "unacceptable," or whatever term you wish to apply. In those instances, I would think that you would not recognize "pro-choice" to be a defensible position.

We have discussed the view that one who claimed to be "pro-choice" regarding slavery (either claiming "neutrality" or even expressing personal opposition while still being unwilling to prevent others from exercising their "choice" ) to be an untenable moral position...precisely because allowing that 'choice' to continue meant that slavery would continue unabated. In effect, "pro-choice" resulted in the same effects as "pro-slavery." It was just a salve to the conscience of those wanting to sit on the fence.

Even some adamant "pro-choice" posters here say that they would impose restrictions upon abortions and definite gestational limits. That's not a "pro-choice" position, either, unless one considers restricting the "rights" of others depending upon personal whim to be "pro-choice." There are people who insist that the "choice" should extend beyond live birth; what makes their opinion any less valid than those who would impose their own arbitrary limits upon abortion?

The very word "choice" was carefully chosen to camouflage what "choice" is being made...which is why politicians since 1973 have repeatedly appealed to "a woman's right to choose" while running away from the word "abortion."

It's just like the absurd comment made about "all the women Planned Parenthood has talked out of abortions." And all the talk about providing a service that "helps" women.

Assisting a woman in killing her developing child is a bizarre way to describe "helping women"...particularly since, statistically speaking, over half of the aborted babies are female (more in countries utilizing gender selection, which is the "right" of the parents to "choose"...at least, according to PP's own "logic").
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Old 01-23-16, 01:33 PM   #36
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Don't like slavery? Don't own one.
Don't like beating women? Don't beat one.
Don't like thieves? Don't steal.

Impeccable logic.

Until people will raise their heads from the sand and recognize that another person is involved with the woman's decision (two others if the father is to be counted, which of course he currently isn't), then we will continue to see such "logic" applied...even by people who insist that at some point in the pregnancy, "termination" amounts to taking a human life. In other words, many who call themselves "pro-choice" are signing off on the death warrants for children and giving that "choice" to the mother.

And then pretending that it's "none of my business." And we all know examples of people who did exactly that when others were persecuted...and how those people are judged today for turning a blind eye to human atrocities.
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Old 01-23-16, 01:55 PM   #37
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Re: 2016 One and Only Abortion Thread

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Let's clear this whole issue up once and for all.

Abortion is a woman's right and her choice to make, so unless you're the one pregnant, it's none of your fucking business.

Don't like abortion? Don't have one. Issue resolved.

/thread
Should be, but wait for the inevitable BS about how people are pro-abortion rather than simply allowing the only person directly involved to make their own choice. I'm sure most, if not all, have perfectly explained how one can still be personally against abortion, never choosing it for themselves, but believe it would be immoral to force their feelings on the subject on to others. Doing so would be expecting far too much of a woman that does not, or can not, continue a pregnancy to term.

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Old 01-23-16, 01:58 PM   #38
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Don't like slavery? Don't own one.
Don't like beating women? Don't beat one.
Don't like thieves? Don't steal.
Let's now compare criminal behavior to abortion.
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Old 01-23-16, 01:58 PM   #39
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Re: 2016 One and Only Abortion Thread

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My sixth grandniece was born Thursday, so I guess she's nine months old.
You joke about that, but I distinctly remember someone a while back who was 20 years and 3 months old, demanding he should be able to be served alcohol because he was technically 21. I don't remember if he was an anti-choice activist, or just a typical college kid trying to find a loophole so he could drink...
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Old 01-23-16, 02:04 PM   #40
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Should be, but wait for the inevitable BS about how people are pro-abortion rather than simply allowing the only person directly involved to make their own choice. I'm sure most, if not all, have perfectly explained how one can still be personally against abortion, never choosing it for themselves, but believe it would be immoral to force their feelings on the subject on to others. Ding so would be expecting far too much of a woman that does not, or can not, continue a pregnancy to term.
Actually, people have NOT explained that.

Have you ever noticed that those who claim to be "personally opposed to abortion" rarely if even say WHY they are "personally opposed?"

On what grounds would someone be "personally opposed" to abortion yet feel that it would be perfectly acceptable for others?
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Old 01-23-16, 02:07 PM   #41
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Let's now compare criminal behavior to abortion.
Yes, let's.

Slavery was once legal. Abortion was once illegal...and could become so again.

Countless people in this forum...in this very thread...have pointed out that legality and popular opinion are not the ultimate arbiters of morality.

Adultery is not illegal in most states, yet a majority might still find that "choice" to be immoral.

Was abortion "immoral" before 1973 and suddenly became moral in that year?

Using that logic, homosexuality is immoral in the countries in which it is still illegal.
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Old 01-23-16, 02:21 PM   #42
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Deafening silence from those "personally opposed" to abortion yet perfectly willing to let others make that "choice."

Obviously not something they have given much (or any) thought to ...having never been challenged to provide an explanation.

Then again, what rational explanation could there be?
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Something to show pro-lifers can be pretty determined

March For Life in Washington DC - during the blizzard:
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Fanatics can be a determined bunch.
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Deafening silence from those "personally opposed" to abortion yet perfectly willing to let others make that "choice".

Then again, what rational explanation could there be?
How about being on the road on our way to the events we have planned for the day? Sorry I couldn't respond on your time table. Once again you prove that you have no interest in respectful discussion. If you were you were, you would acknowledge the countless times your question was answered in other threads on the topic.
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Something to show pro-lifers can be pretty determined

March For Life in Washington DC - during the blizzard:
Lotta green grass there for a "blizzard".

How long did they last once the snow started a' flyin'?
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Deafening silence from those "personally opposed" to abortion yet perfectly willing to let others make that "choice."

Obviously not something they have given much (or any) thought to ...having never been challenged to provide an explanation.

Then again, what rational explanation could there be?
Do I have to post the video again?

Is there ANY thought, argument, or rational explanation you would accept apart from one that says that abortion murders babies and everyone who supports it is deluded or misinformed?
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Old 01-23-16, 04:19 PM   #48
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People...science is on his side, don't you get it?*


*except it is not, at least not how he thinks...but that song has been played over and over and over*

**i love when devoutly religious people use science when it fits their needs.
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http://dailysignal.com/2016/01/22/35...arch-for-life/

Let's not forget the enlightening signs created by the March For Lifers.

Wouldn't it be better to have this in March. As in MARCH For Life.
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Fanatics can be a determined bunch.
The social justice warriors at the University of Missouri canceled one of their protest marches because of rain
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