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Race Issues at Univ of Missouri - Real or Imagined?

Linky: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/11/09...nt-steps-down/

University of Missouri faculty call for class walkout amid protests, football team boycott

A faculty group at the University of Missouri called for professors and other staff to walk out of classes Monday and Tuesday in the latest protest against the university president's handling of a series of racially charged incidents.

The protests began after the student government president, who is black, said in September that people in a passing pickup truck shouted racial slurs at him. In early October, members of a black student organization said slurs were hurled at them by an apparently drunken white student.

More recently, two trucks flying Confederate flags drove past a site where 150 students had gathered to protest on Sunday, a move some saw as an attempt at intimidation. One of the participants, Abigail Hollis, a black undergraduate, said the campus is "unhealthy and unsafe for us."
Ummm.... the campus is in Columbia. There's a mix of students, faculty, staff, and town residents there. Just like here in Bloomington, there's a fairly wide educational, financial, racial and socio-political gap between those on campus and those in town. I'm uncertain how one can draw the conclusion that the CAMPUS has a race issue when you've only got the "incidents" described above, or how the only way to fix this is to demand the resignation of the University President?

We have boneheads here in Indiana who drive around with Confederate flags on the back of their trucks, too. They think they're celebrating history. Everybody else thinks they're just being idiots who are passively-aggressively racist. But when one of their trucks is parked at WalMart I don't go on a hunger strike to demanding that the Mayor of Bloomington step down. That's lunacy.
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Mizzou university prez just announced resignation as demanded by protesters...don't know if he also acceded to their demands to publicly acknowledge his "white privilege" (which was actually on the list of demands).

Guess we'll never know now whether the student who had gone on hunger strike would have fulfilled his vow to "die" if the prez didn't resign.

Even more importantly, we'll never know if the 30 black football players who were on strike from all football activities until the prez resigned would have sat out Saturday's game against BYU, if the school would have forfeited (and paid the huge $ penalty), whether the team would even have practiced (yesterday's practice & team activities were cancelled), etc.

Pres. Wolfe must have gotten a huge buyout from alumni to avoid the disastrous p.r. fallout if the player strike had lasted. Gordon Gee-Whiz from "The" OSU got over $5 million buyout for resigning, but the nut blew it by taking a job at WVU (meaning OSU only owed him a little over $300K instead).

One of the big demands from protesters was for increased mandatory "racial & diversity education"...which the university has promised to do with incoming students. Curious to know what this "education" consists of...do you really have to have training to teach incoming college frosh not to yell "****" at a black person? Or not to smear feces in the shape of a swastika on restroom walls (unless it's for an art class)?
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We ask for no media in the parameters so the place where people live, fellowship, &amp; sleep can be protected from twisted insincere narratives</p>&mdash; ConcernedStudent1950 (@CS_1950) <a href="https://twitter.com/CS_1950/status/663871600488378368">November 10, 2015</a></blockquote>

Blocking media from public spaces ... great. The "place where people live, fellowship and sleep" doesn't refer to a dormitory. It's a makeshift tent city on the campus quad.

Another exception to the first amendment? No freedom of press if it violates someones "safe space."

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Isn't Mizzou known for its School of Journalism? How can the students be so unaware about the concept of "freedom of press" and "public spaces?"

At the very end, the woman yelling Who wants to help me get this reporter out of here? I need some muscle over here! is a professor of mass media.
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And just a few days before "I need some strong people to physically intimidate a member of the media on public property" ...



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If Missouri has any integrity, they'll fire those two immediately. They shouldn't be let off with an insincere apology or allowed to resign. The university should also act regarding those students who pushed/blocked the reporters. Bullying in the name of "tolerance" can't be allowed to happen without consequences.
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Originally Posted by creekdipper View Post
Even more importantly, we'll never know if the 30 black football players who were on strike from all football activities until the prez resigned would have sat out Saturday's game against BYU, if the school would have forfeited (and paid the huge $ penalty), whether the team would even have practiced (yesterday's practice & team activities were cancelled), etc.
It was the entire team, including the coaching staff, who were on strike, so yes, the game would've been canceled.
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It was the entire team, including the coaching staff, who were on strike, so yes, the game would've been canceled.
A Missouri Tigers player said Sunday night that the entire team is not united over the decision to stop practicing until grad student Jonathan Butler ends his hunger strike.

"As much as we want to say everyone is united, half the team and coaches -- black and white -- are pissed," the player, who wished to remain anonymous, told ESPN. "If we were 9-0, this wouldn't be happening."
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I still think that hate speech is free speech, but now we're separating out "hurtful speech" from "hate speech" and STILL getting law enforcement involved? wow.
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Personally I can't believe there is any racism in Missouri. The very idea seems ludicrous.
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If Missouri has any integrity, they'll fire those two immediately. They shouldn't be let off with an insincere apology or allowed to resign. The university should also act regarding those students who pushed/blocked the reporters. Bullying in the name of "tolerance" can't be allowed to happen without consequences.
COLUMBIA Faculty in the Missouri School of Journalism were voting Tuesday to revoke a courtesy appointment for Melissa Click, an assistant professor in MU's Department of Communication.

The journalism school's Executive Committee, including Dean David Kurpius, met Tuesday morning to discuss the vote and prepare a statement on Click's actions Monday as seen in footage of a confrontation between freelance photographer Tim Tai and protesters near the Concerned Student 1950 camp on the Mel Carnahan Quadrangle.

Click was seen at the end of the video asking for assistance and for "muscle" to remove Mark Schierbecker, who filmed the interaction and uploaded his footage to YouTube.

Kurpius and Esther Thorson, the journalism school's associate dean for graduate studies, characterized Click's actions as a clear violation of Tai's First Amendment rights. Kurpius said taking actions that might escalate a peaceful protest was "unwarranted."
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Guess the protesters didn't notice the irony of their bullying assault tactics being perpetrated against a student of color.

Being directed to walk forward against him in a mob, grabbing at his arms when he held the camera up, bumping up against him...all to protect "their space" (in a public place)...when their entire movement depended upon gaining media attention...just priceless.

Would be interesting to see how the young white female who got in his face & was aggressively bumping against him would react if a male student in a line behind her held his hands up and began bumping up against her despite her protests. It's likely that the student would be charged with assault and facing expulsion.
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This part stood out from the article RoyalTea linked to:

"It's close," Thorson said of the vote. "But we have some strong voices concerned about fairness (to Click)."
Because, you know, we can't be unfair to folks who endorse and practice jackbooted thuggery.
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Guess the protesters didn't notice the irony of their bullying assault tactics being perpetrated against a student of color.

Being directed to walk forward against him in a mob, grabbing at his arms when he held the camera up, bumping up against him...all to protect "their space" (in a public place)...when their entire movement depended upon gaining media attention...just priceless.

Would be interesting to see how the young white female who got in his face & was aggressively bumping against him would react if a male student in a line behind her held his hands up and began bumping up against her despite her protests. It's likely that the student would be charged with assault and facing expulsion.
Being caught on video should make it fairly easy to identify the students, especially the white guy who said "We're just going to block you." We'll see if the university has the courage to do anything about their assault.
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Being caught on video should make it fairly easy to identify the students, especially the white guy who said "We're just going to block you." We'll see if the university has the courage to do anything about their assault.
Probably a stretch to call this "assault." I think that some people clearly initiated physical contatct, but to describe it as "assault" kind of devalues the term. I would like to see the university give some of those students some written assignments to correct their ignorance.

One guy said "you have no right to take my picture." The fact that he said that while standing in a public space is ridiculous. If you're on the campus quad at a public university, you have no expectation of privacy. None.
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Probably a stretch to call this "assault." I think that some people clearly initiated physical contatct, but to describe it as "assault" kind of devalues the term. I would like to see the university give some of those students some written assignments to correct their ignorance.

One guy said "you have no right to take my picture." The fact that he said that while standing in a public space is ridiculous. If you're on the campus quad at a public university, you have no expectation of privacy. None.
Whether you want to call it "assault" or not, do you think pushing the reporter and saying "You need to back off, bro" in that tone was acceptable?
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Whether you want to call it "assault" or not, do you think pushing the reporter and saying "You need to back off, bro" in that tone was acceptable?
absolutely not. The photographer is pretty much the only person in that video who doesn't look batshit crazy. But if that photog claimed "assault," that would just be stepping down to their level. There's already one group of people in that video exercising some crazy mental gymnastics to delude themselves into thinking they're victims. We don't need everybody doing it.
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Just to clarify; I used the legal definition of "assault," which doesn't require causing actual physical harm. Shoving the photographer backward qualifies; in some places it would even be considered battery, though I think that's definitely going too far. For example:

Under Indiana Code Section 35-42-2-1 Version a, the basic offense of battery involves knowingly or intentionally touching someone in a rude, insolent, or angry manner.
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I think this is the first time I've seen an entire football team transgendered.

A buncha tough-lookin' boys that are actually a buncha pathetic whiny bitches.

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Wonder if any journalists will go on a hunger strike demanding to have Melissa Click fired.
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Just to clarify; I used the legal definition of "assault," which doesn't require causing actual physical harm. Shoving the photographer backward qualifies; in some places it would even be considered battery, though I think that's definitely going too far. For example:
Could be RAPE. Where's Sean O'Hara. They're in a position of authority!
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The shit swastika that was one of the grievances that precipitated this fiasco is starting to show signs of never having existed.
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It seems that nearly every day there's a new incident of this type at some U.S. university or high school. Each and every one of us will eventually get to start a thread on one of them.

They should go on with the football game, and let the other team score as many points as it can.

In the modern era, it's very rare for someone in the U.S. to continue with a hunger strike to the point of death, or even anywhere close to death.
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Well, I think we're at the stage in our society if others can't/won't prove your feelings valid...MAKE SHIT UP, Bro.

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The shit swastika that was one of the grievances that precipitated this fiasco is starting to show signs of never having existed.
You're right.

Thousands of students with cell phone cameras, and not one of them bothered to take a picture of it.


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Was The Poop Swastika Incident At Mizzou A Giant Hoax?

November 10, 2015

Something stinks at the University of Missouri. A reported incident of vandalism at Mizzou sparked university-wide protests, a boycott by the school’s 4-5 football team, and eventually the resignation of the university’s president and chancellor.

There’s only one problem: no evidence of the alleged incident, in which a poop swastika on the wall of a dormitory restroom was reported, has ever been made publicly available. Did this incident occur as reported, or was it an immaculate defecation that formed the foundation of an unimaginable deception?

According to Billy Donley, the president of Mizzou’s Residence Halls Association (RHA), the poop swastika was reported at approximately 2:00 a.m. on October 24, 2015.

“On Saturday, October 24th, at 2:00am an individual came into one of the restrooms in Gateway Hall and drew a swastika on the wall with their own feces,” Donley wrote in a letter several days after the alleged incident. “This event happened while many students, including myself, were already asleep.”

Later in his letter, Donley noted that he only found out about the alleged vandalism incident “via a flyer posted on the walls” of the dorm.

Although Donley did not respond to repeated requests for comment prior to publication, The Federalist spoke with two RHA staffers while trying to get in touch with Donley. Neither had personally witnessed the poop swastika. When asked if there was any photographic evidence of the alleged incident, one staffer replied, “Not to my knowledge.”

Frankie Minor, the director of residential life at Mizzou, did not respond to repeated requests for comment on whether he personally saw the poop swastika or any photographic evidence of it.

The Federalist also attempted to contact Christian Basi, the associate director of the University of Missouri News Bureau, who previously told the Columbia Missourian on Oct. 30 that the incident had been immediately reported to Mizzou police. Basi did not respond to requests for comment prior to the publication of this article.

Calls to the University of Missouri Police Department, which responded to and investigated the alleged poop swastika incident, also failed to yield any evidence of the poopstika.

Multiple activists on Twitter pointed to this photo as proof that the incident occurred as reported, but a Google search for the same image shows that it has been floating around the Internet for nearly a year. A reddit thread from November of 2014 appears to contain the earliest publication of the photo in question, meaning that it most certainly does not constitute proof of the incident alleged to have occurred at Mizzou on October 24, 2015.

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Maj. Brian Weimer, the public information officer for the Mizzou police department, told The Federalist that he also did not personally see the poop swastika that was reported to police. When asked if anyone in the police department personally witnessed the swastika, Maj. Weimer clammed up and referred all questions about the incident to the university’s custodian of public records.

The Federalist also repeatedly contacted @ConcernedStudent1950, the Twitter account representing Mizzou protesters who issued a series of demands of university administrators after the alleged poop swastika incident made headlines. The individuals running the @CS1950 account failed to produce any photographic or documentary evidence of the incident prior to publication of this article.

While a mere absence of evidence is not synonymous with evidence of absence, the complete lack of any verifiable photographic evidence of the alleged poop swastika and the lack of any named eye witnesses raises serious questions about the veracity of a racially charged incident of vandalism that eventually led to the resignation of the University of Missouri’s two top administrators.

Did the incident happen as reported, or did two university administrators resign over protests that were sparked by a hoax? And if the incident did happen as reported, a proposition for which no publicly available evidence currently exists, how did university administrators and law enforcement authorities confirm that the vandalism was driven by racial animosity, as opposed to being promulgated as a public relations stunt meant to tar the university for failing to provide an environment free of racist invective? It would not be the first time a public university fell victim to a high profile PR stunt that was later revealed to be a fabrication. Either way, students, their parents, university employees, and Missouri taxpayers deserve solid, verifiable answers based on clear evidence about what exactly transpired in that Gateway Wall bathroom in the early morning of October 24.

Under the provisions of Missouri’s broad public records laws, The Federalist has requested from the University of Missouri copies of any and all records relating to the alleged vandalism, including any police or incident reports describing the investigation of the poop swastika by law enforcement authorities, as well as any photographic records of the alleged swastika, and will make that information available if and when it is received from university officials.

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absolutely not. The photographer is pretty much the only person in that video who doesn't look batshit crazy. But if that photog claimed "assault," that would just be stepping down to their level. There's already one group of people in that video exercising some crazy mental gymnastics to delude themselves into thinking they're victims. We don't need everybody doing it.
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Just to clarify; I used the legal definition of "assault," which doesn't require causing actual physical harm. Shoving the photographer backward qualifies; in some places it would even be considered battery, though I think that's definitely going too far. For example:
While I tend to agree philosophically with R.T. re: the common understanding of "assault," years ago in college journalism classes we learned what GhostLee pointed out...the legal definition of "assault" (which can simply mean threatening actions). When the actions escalate to touching, the term "battery" comes into play (as in assault and battery).

If the students were merely blocking the reporter and obstructing his progress, that would still be illegal activity considering he had as much right to the public space as did they. But advancing toward him, reaching for his camera, bumping against him...R.T., as I asked before, how would you classify this type of action if the male photographer had committed the same actions against the female protesters? Does the "context" matter (their actions took place during a protest activity vs. randomly happening in public)? Or is touching others who are plainly objecting to being touched (with force, in some cases) wrong regardless of the circumstances? Is it any less "assault" if the people making contact are acting our of "noble motivation"?

Also keep in mind that the photographer was not a counter-protester there to agitate. He was just doing his job. And he was a victim. Do you think that being a media member means that you abdicate your civil rights (ironically, by those protesting that their civil rights are being denied)? Do you think that being surrounded by a mob of people who are pushing against you and yelling at you (with a guest faculty member calling for "muscle") might not be perceived as a physically threatening situation?

Also keep in mind that one of the main complaints listed by the main group of protesters was that the driver of the university president's car (during the parade when the protesters blocked the car) "bumped" a few protesters and revved his engine to get them to move. Why was it wrong for the president not to upbraid the driver but not for the protesters to allow the same access to space that they demanded?

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