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The first 25 seconds is footage of Planned Parenthood saying they are against selling baby parts. The rest is a high level executive/abortion doctor from Planned Parenthood who says she can sell you whatever body part you want from an aborted fetus.

I think abortion should be legal, and I can see why parents with sick babies in need of an organ transplant would do anything to save their baby's life. But I don't like the way this woman is so casual in the way she talks about it.

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One interesting comment was from the 2000 ABC clip at the beginning of the video. The president of Planned Parenthood says that the sale of body parts obtained from abortions "<b>seems</b> inappropriate." "<b>Seems</b>".... Reminds me of the NARAL director who appeared on C-Span saying that she advised women having qualms about abortion that "Sometimes doing the wrong thing is the right thing to do."

Here's an interesting analysis of the video...including a response to the ludicrous whining from Planned Parenthood's PR person complaining that the remarks were "secretly recorded." How surprising that he didn't comment on the PP director's remarks about PP discussions that go on "behind closed doors" and how PP is trying to avoid negative appearances of being a "middleman" because the subject is "so touchy" (for now, anyway). As far as being "heavily edited," evidently an unedited three-hour version of the video is available.

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/07/1...eimbursements/

Another good piece is Michele Malkin's new column entitled "The Wine-Sipping Buchers of Planned Parenthood": http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...od_127386.html

Now to see if this story has any traction or will have to step aside for more important issues such as removing all traces of the CSA flag from merchandise. The pro-abortion media such as Washington Post & Newsweek have already edited early postings to reflect their support of Planned Parenthood's labeling of livers, hearts, lungs, etc. as "tissue" donated for research...despite the obvious context of the doctor's remarks.

Why anyone would be surprised at the existence of the practice...or why there is no outrage from a public which condones abortion...is the only real puzzle. This is only the obvious result of a society which worships "science" and considers morality to be an "evolving" process.

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Planned Parenthood says the money is not for the organs, but instead, is for associated costs. I can see how that could be true.

The organization that released the video said they will be releasing other videos.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...059_story.html

Undercover video shows Planned Parenthood official discussing fetal organs used for research

July 14, 2015

An antiabortion group on Tuesday released an undercover video of an official at Planned Parenthood discussing in graphic detail how to abort a fetus to preserve its organs for medical research — as well as the costs associated with sharing that tissue with scientists.

Over lunch at a Los Angeles restaurant, two antiabortion activists posing as employees from a biotech firm met with Deborah Nucatola, Planned Parenthood’s senior director of medical research. Armed with cameras, the activists recorded Nucatola talking about Planned Parenthood’s work donating fetal tissue to researchers and pressed her on whether the clinics were charging for the organs.

The Center for Medical Progress, which recorded and edited the video, says the footage proves that Planned Parenthood is breaking the law by selling fetal organs. But the video does not show Nucatola explicitly talking about selling organs. The Planned Parenthood official says the organization is “very, very sensitive” about being perceived as illegally profiting from organ sales and charges only for the cost, for instance, of shipping the tissue.

The video threatens to reignite a long-standing debate over the use of fetal tissue harvested through abortions and could add fuel to efforts seeking to ban abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy.

In a statement, a spokesman for Planned Parenthood said the video misrepresents the organization’s work. Planned Parenthood clinics, with a patient’s permission, may sometimes donate fetal tissue for use in stem cell research, said the spokesman, who added that the group’s affiliates, which operate independently, do not profit from these donations.

“At several of our health centers, we help patients who want to donate tissue for scientific research, and we do this just like every other high-quality health-care provider does — with full, appropriate consent from patients and under the highest ethical and legal standards,” spokesman Eric Ferrero said. “In some instances, actual costs, such as the cost to transport tissue to leading research centers, are reimbursed, which is standard across the medical field.”


He accused the Center for Medical Progress of mounting a misleading attack similar to those by other groups that have tried to mount undercover “stings” targeting Planned Parenthood.

But antiabortion groups said the video shows that Planned Parenthood is essentially selling fetal organs and that Congress and other authorities should investigate.

Buying and selling human fetal tissue is illegal in the United States. Federal regulations also prohibit anyone from altering the timing or method of an abortion for the sole purpose of later using the tissue in research. Donating the tissue for research, however, is legal with a woman’s consent.

Antiabortion groups also said the callous nature of the discussion captured on film should tug at viewers’ consciences — particularly when Nucatola apparently describes “crushing” the fetus in ways that keep its internal organs intact and her remarks about researchers’ desire for lungs and livers.

“I’d say a lot of people want liver,” she says in the video posted on the Center for Medical Progress’s Web site, between bites of salad. “And for that reason, most providers will do this case under ultrasound guidance so they’ll know where they’re putting their forceps.”

She continues: “We’ve been very good at getting heart, lung, liver, because we know that, so I’m not gonna crush that part, I’m gonna basically crush below, I’m gonna crush above, and I’m gonna see if I can get it all intact.”

It’s hard to assess exactly what happened at the lunch with Nucatola. The antiabortion group had complete control over the filming and editing of the footage. The group also posted a nearly three-hour version of the video that it’s calling the “full footage,” though there is no way to verify that the video is truly complete.

The unidentified activists, a man and a woman, told Nucatola they worked for a biotech firm that aimed to snare “a competitive advantage” by providing local samples for researchers who would like to avoid lengthy trips between clinic and lab. They said they worked in Norwalk, a suburb.

“Every provider has patients who want to donate their tissue, and they want to accommodate them,” says Nucatola. “They just want to do it in a way that is not perceived as: This clinic is selling tissue. This clinic is making money off this. In the Planned Parenthood world, they’re very, very sensitive to that. Some affiliates might do it for free. They want to come to a number that looks like a reasonable number for the effort that is allotted on their part . . . ”

One activist asks, “Okay, so, when you are — or when the affiliate is — determining what that monetary . . . So that it doesn’t raise the question of . . . ‘This is what it’s about’ — What price range would you . . . ?”

“You know, I would throw a number out, I would say it’s probably anywhere from $30 to $100, depending on the facility and what’s involved,” says Nucatola. “It just has to do with space issues, are you sending someone there that’s going to be doing everything . . . is there shipping involved? Is someone going to be there to pick it up?”

In order to film the footage, the activists wore “police-quality undercover cameras,” said David Daleiden, who ran the project for the Center of Medical Progress. (He refused to elaborate: “I don’t answer questions about our undercover costumes.”)

The “sting” unfolded over three years, Daleiden said, because it takes time to build up a front as a biotech company and gain access to Planned Parenthood executives. The lunch, he said, is just the beginning: The Center for Medical Progress plans to release a new video every week for the next few months.

Daleiden rejects Nucatola’s claim that costs associated with fetal tissue donation involve shipping and staff hours. “Literally the only thing the clinic is doing is carrying the fetus from the operation to the tech,” he said.

The Center for Medical Progress was established by Daleiden, a controversial antiabortion activist who previously worked with Live Action, another antiabortion group known for its “stings” of Planned Parenthood using actors and undercover videos.

The group is a non-profit organization that describes itself on its Web site as “a group of citizen journalists dedicated to monitoring and reporting on medical ethics and advances.”

“The promotional video mischaracterizing Planned Parenthood’s mission and services is made by a long time anti-abortion activist that has used deceptive and unethical video editing, and that has created a fake medical website as well as a fake human tissue website that purports to provide services to stem cell researchers,” Planned Parenthood said in a statement Tuesday.

Daleiden also alleges that the procedure described by Nucatola is similar to “intact dilation and extraction,” referred to by opponents as partial-birth abortion, which Congress outlawed in 2003. The Supreme Court upheld the law’s constitutionality four years later.

In the 1980s and 1990s, researchers considered fetal tissue transplants a budding treatment for Parkinson’s disease and diabetes. Some believed they held the potential to prevent autism.

As different kind of stem cells — embryonic stem cells — gain prominence in research, fetal tissue donations today are often used to gain deeper anatomical understanding of fetuses, said Arthur Caplan, director of New York University’s Division of Medical Ethics. The practice, however, is problematic if an abortion provider goes into a procedure with the primary intention of preserving a liver, he said. In the video, Nucatola appears to allude to methods for carefully extracting the organs.

“I think the only relevant goal of an abortion clinic is to provide a safe and least risky abortion to a woman,” Caplan said. “If you’re starting to play with how it’s done, and when it’s done, other things than women’s health are coming into play. You’re making a huge mountain of conflict of interest around a period for many people is morally difficult.”

A number of Republicans, including a few presidential candidates, reacted Tuesday to the video.

“This latest news is tragic and outrageous,” Carly Fiorina wrote on Facebook.

“This is a shocking and horrific reminder that we must do so much more to foster a culture of life in America,” said Jeb Bush on Twitter.

As politicians responded to the video, a bill to increase funding for breast cancer research was pulled from the House floor after abortion critics linked it to Planned Parenthood. The Breast Cancer Awareness Commemorative Coin Act would have raised as much as $4.75 million in research funds for Susan G. Komen for the Cure—an organization that has a longstanding alliance with Planned Parenthood to fund preventative cancer screenings. The bill was expected to pass easily, but House Republican leaders pulled it from consideration after the conservative group Heritage Action objected.

Whether the video Tuesday shows illegal activity could ultimately be irrelevant. For years, antiabortion groups promoted their cause by highlighting the sometimes disturbing details of abortion procedures and painting abortion providers as callous and unethical.

They have argued against allowing abortions later in pregnancy by suggesting that older fetuses can feel pain and they are pushing for a federal ban on the procedure at 20 weeks of pregnancy.

The accusation that Planned Parenthood is illegally selling the organs of fetuses is not new among antiabortion advocates. The controversy gained national attention in 2000, after the publication of an undercover investigation by a Texas-based antiabortion group, Life Dynamics, which was also involved in Tuesday’s *video release.

The investigation’s conclusion, that a Kansas clinic affiliated with Planned Parenthood was participating in a scheme to profit from the sale of fetal tissues, prompted a 20/20 hidden camera investigation on the subject, and a hearing of the Subcommittee on Health and Environment in the House of Representatives.

The FBI also investigated the Kansas clinic for any wrongdoing, but later concluded that it did not break any laws.
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Not a big surprise.
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http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendl...NzIxOTI2ODk4S0

Planned Parenthood Isn’t Selling Baby Parts: Unpacking the Lies in a New Undercover Video
July 14, 2015 by Hemant Mehta 320 Comments

The pro-life world has been buzzing all day about a new video released by the anti-abortion Center for Medical Progress (CMP). It shows a Planned Parenthood executive, Dr. Deborah Nucatola (below), discussing how the group preserves organs from aborted fetuses for research purposes. She also mentions the costs of shipping those organs to scientists.

So, of course, the conservative storyline is that Planned Parenthood is “sell[ing] the body parts of infants” for cash… which, despite making for a great headline, contains very little truth. (Sarah Palin would be proud.)

The bulk of the attention is on the graphic way Nucatola describes the preservation of organs. It’s you’re not used to discussions about body parts, it might rub you the wrong way. That’s precisely why the video has impact: emotions sway people more than facts. And the facts go against the conservative myths already building around this video.

Here’s the deal: Selling body parts is illegal; donating tissue is fine. Some mothers who opt to have abortions may agree to have their fetus’ organs donated for the sake of science. They don’t get paid for it. Neither does Planned Parenthood. It may sound controversial, but the alternative is to let the organs go unused.

It’s no different than when people die and their (perfectly good) organs are donated to someone else who might need it. If I described the process to you in detail, you might be disgusted, but the principle behind it is actually pretty damn noble.

Amanda Marcotte made a similar point at Slate:

Abortion is gross, no doubt about it. It becomes grosser the later in a pregnancy it gets. But so is heart surgery. So is childbirth, for that matter. We don’t deny people who need help in those cases because the help is gross. Nor should we deny people that help when it comes to needing abortion. We also shouldn’t deny women who want to donate fetal or embryonic remains to science any more than we would deny someone who wants to be an organ donor, even though the latter is also quite gross to ponder.

When the CMP claims Planned Parenthood is guilty of “illegal trafficking of aborted fetal parts,” that’s a lie. They don’t provide any proof of that, anyway. No one’s selling these body parts on the black market. No one’s cashing in on abortions. More importantly, no one’s pressuring women to have abortions in order to obtain these body parts.

By the way, the only time money enters into the organ equation is when Planned Parenthood is reimbursed the costs of transporting the organs to research facilities.

Planned Parenthood’s Vice President of Communications Eric Ferrero made this very clear in his own statement:

At several of our health centers, we help patients who want to donate tissue for scientific research, and we do this just like every other high-quality health care provider does — with full, appropriate consent from patients and under the highest ethical and legal standards. There is no financial benefit for tissue donation for either the patient or for Planned Parenthood. In some instances, actual costs, such as the cost to transport tissue to leading research centers, are reimbursed, which is standard across the medical field.

What you have in the video is the equivalent of a math teacher explaining how calculus works while scary music plays in the background. Most people won’t understand it at all, but the terminology and visual cues will make them believe something horrible is going on.

Since most viewers of CMP’s video will never bother to look into the facts, they’ll just believe whatever bullshit they’re fed.

These explanations are irrelevant, though, to the conservatives who will use any leverage they can to make it more difficult for women to obtain abortions.

Already, GOP Presidential candidates have declared the video “sickening” and “outrageous.” Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal already announced a formal investigation into Planned Parenthood… which will go nowhere but might help him edge closer to Donald Trump in the polls.

None of this is surprising. But what else do you expect from people who don’t give a shit about science, women, or facts?

They’ll pounce on whatever red meat anti-abortion activists throw their way, casting aside anyone who explains what’s really going on when you take away the hype.
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I'm sure the same people who oppose this also oppose people donating their organs.
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Actual transcript:



PP: Yeah, you know, I don’t think it’s a reservations issue so much as a perception issue, because I think every provider has had patients who want to donate their tissue, and they absolutely want to accommodate them. They just want to do it in a way that is not perceived as, ‘This clinic is selling tissue, this clinic is making money off of this.’ I know in the Planned Parenthood world they’re very very sensitive to that. And before an affiliate is gonna do that, they need to, obviously, they’re not—some might do it for free—but they want to come to a number that doesn’t look like they’re making money. They want to come to a number that looks like it is a reasonable number for the effort that is allotted on their part. I think with private providers, private clinics, they’ll have much less of a problem with that
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And shortly after that, Nucatola says this:


PP: I think for affiliates, at the end of the day, they’re a non-profit, they just don’t want to—they want to break even. And if they can do a little better than break even, and do so in a way that seems reasonable, they’re happy to do that. Really their bottom line is, they want to break even. Every penny they save is a just pennies they give to another patient. To provide a service the patient wouldn’t get.
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I'm sure the same people who oppose this also oppose people donating their organs.
Of course. They would also never support receiving treatment, for them or their friends/family, that used stem cells in any way.
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From a propaganda standpoint, the video has worked marvelously. We have evidence of that here in this thread...
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Looks like I'm going to have a difficult time acquiring new pieces for my baby parts collection.
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Doctors talk about body parts the same way a mechanic talks about a car. Sounds cold and gross, but it's a job. What do people think doctors talk in baby-talk? "And then the widdle cutie wootie love bug has their li'l liver-wiver go bye-bye."
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Full Video Released By Group Shows Crucial Portions Were Edited Out. The entire, unedited, nearly three-hour version of the video that CMP also released contains several sections that were edited out and contradict the group's assertions. For example, as the unedited transcript shows, Dr. Nucatola says, "Nobody should be 'selling' tissue," and repeatedly refers to "tissue donation" during the conversation. The edited video also jumps ahead nearly eight minutes in the middle of a discussion about money in an attempt to falsely frame Nucatola's comments as having to do with the sale price of tissue, but the unedited version reveals that she was actually discussing reimbursements costs for legal donation during those missing minutes. (Media Matters for America, 7/14/15)
"This is not something with any revenue stream that affiliates are looking at," the official, Deborah Nucatola, Planned Parenthood's senior director of medical services, says in the video. "This is a way to offer patients the services they want and do good for the medical community and still maintain access." (The New York Times, 7/15/15)
The truth of the video, however - which was released by a previously unheard-of organization led by a man who has described himself as an "amateur varanid keeper" - is that it shows nothing illegal. (The Guardian, 7/15/15)
The original three hour video from which the snippet in the OP was doctored is available on-line, for those of you who distrust any media source that isn't Fox.

tl;dr - Outright bullshit faked by anti-choice activists.
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I for one, am shocked Grundle (of all people) got duped by a youtube video. I guess there is a first time for anything...
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Look at all the replies. Not just grundle.
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Outright bullshit faked by anti-choice activists.
I really can't stand "anti-choice" or "pro-abortion" terminology.

I don't think people on the left think that abortions are awesome and should be plentiful. I don't think that people on the right think that abortions are really no big deal and just want to take a medical option off the table for people for no reason.
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Originally Posted by Preterite View Post
The original three hour video from which the snippet in the OP was doctored is available on-line, for those of you who distrust any media source that isn't Fox.
creekdipper posted that link in post #2.
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I really can't stand "anti-choice" or "pro-abortion" terminology.

I don't think people on the left think that abortions are awesome and should be plentiful. I don't think that people on the right think that abortions are really no big deal and just want to take a medical option off the table for people for no reason.
Agreed.

To take it further, I've seen many the "pro-life" person admit they would allow exceptions in cases of rape/incest, or when there are other complications with the pregnancy. So they are all for choice, but only when THEY get to make the call, and in reality, they don't really believe every life is sacred.

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More horseshit faked videos, more self-righteous outrage, Michelle Malkin is a piece but she's still full of shit, and apparently everyone wants to bang Spiderbite. Must be a Wednesday.
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Another good piece is Michele Malkin's new column entitled "The Wine-Sipping Buchers of Planned Parenthood": http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...od_127386.html
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When you've recovered from your nausea, ask yourselves this: What kind of country do we live in where law-abiding businesses are fined, threatened and demonized for refusing to bake gay wedding cakes, but barbaric baby butchers are hailed by feminists, Hollywood and a president who asked God to "bless" them?
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Even if this was true, at least the parts were going somewhere.

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Agreed.

To take it further, I've seen many the "pro-life" person admit they would allow exceptions to cases of rape/incest, or when there are other complications with the pregnancy. So they are all for choice, but only when THEY get to make the call, and in reality, they don;t really believe every life is sacred.
I think Doug Stanhope said something about the rape/incest exceptions as ... "I believe all life is sacred, unless the dad's a criminal."

But something tells me that if someone was so true to their belief that all life is sacred and said they wouldn't support rape/incest exceptions, nobody would be praising them for their intellectual honesty.
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creekdipper posted that link in post #2.
In-between a dismissal of the editing "claims" and a Malkin link. No wonder I missed it - my eyes were rolling too hard.

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