You don't need to know were your meat comes from!
07-04-15, 10:08 AM
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This will affect poor people. Pure and simple. You think poor people can afford to shop at Whole Foods or specialty stores? No, they will continue to buy wherever their dollar goes further and if that spot happens to sell meat that doesn't tell you where it comes from, well, then so be it.
07-04-15, 10:39 AM
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And we blame consumers for eating unhealthy.
07-04-15, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by movielib
Your water probably does contain uranium. And a million other things. Just not in quantities that are in the least bit dangerous.
07-04-15, 12:26 PM
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Re: You don't need to know were your meat comes from!
Originally Posted by slop101
Some GMOs are bad some are good. What's your point? Regardless, I don't know why you're harping on this as my point has been about country of origin. Even my bananas have that on them. I only brought up GMOs because of the CA proposition that didn't pass.
But I will leave it at that as you are right, this is a thread about meat labeling, so I will stop derailing it. Especially since I don't consider myself well informed enough to voice an opinion about whether or not meats should have mandatory country of origin labels or not. And I don't like to form opinions about things I know little about (and certainly not start posting said uninformed opinions)...
07-04-15, 12:45 PM
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We have country of origin labels on clothing.
Why not meat.
Why not meat.
07-04-15, 01:05 PM
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We actually have country of origin labels on just about every product made. Not just clothing. It's done for import/export reasons. I'm not aware of any products that don't have an origin location on them. If not on the item itself, it's always on the packaging.
Why not meat?
On one hand, I want the WTO to be satisfied and I don't want any animosity from international markets. It will deescalate concerns if we let it pass. I don't think it will change the market in the slightest. And it may even hurt sales for anyone who doesn't want to label their packaging. We could also see a backlash from grocers, given the media attention this has gotten.
On the other hand, yes, every good out there has a "made in" ID on it. Why does the WTO and international markets have to be such a-holes about this? The companies are not worried about international trade hassles, nor the cost of labeling. The cost to add/remove a "made in" to an inkjet coder is too-low to calculate. Their case is that they think that consumers have prejudice about buying meats from outside the USA.
We're also not led to believe that meat is better or worse from foreign countries. If I eat a steak from Central America, and it's the best I ever had, I might continue to buy.
I'm really not sure who wins or loses either way.
Why not meat?
On one hand, I want the WTO to be satisfied and I don't want any animosity from international markets. It will deescalate concerns if we let it pass. I don't think it will change the market in the slightest. And it may even hurt sales for anyone who doesn't want to label their packaging. We could also see a backlash from grocers, given the media attention this has gotten.
On the other hand, yes, every good out there has a "made in" ID on it. Why does the WTO and international markets have to be such a-holes about this? The companies are not worried about international trade hassles, nor the cost of labeling. The cost to add/remove a "made in" to an inkjet coder is too-low to calculate. Their case is that they think that consumers have prejudice about buying meats from outside the USA.
We're also not led to believe that meat is better or worse from foreign countries. If I eat a steak from Central America, and it's the best I ever had, I might continue to buy.
I'm really not sure who wins or loses either way.
07-04-15, 01:24 PM
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I'll have to research more but the WTO have not been favorable to particular countries and less concern for informed consumers.
Information is education.
Information is education.
07-04-15, 06:27 PM
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Re: You don't need to know were your meat comes from!
Originally Posted by BearFan
So, I need a 3 page booklet with my water bottle
07-05-15, 05:29 PM
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Re: You don't need to know were your meat comes from!
Originally Posted by BearFan
So, I need a 3 page booklet with my water bottle
SHUT. DOWN. EVERYTHING.
07-06-15, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by BearFan
I'm not really sure it matters where shirts come from either. It would not kill anything to put a made in wherever sticker on meat ... but it also seems easy enough to find out for the relatively small percentage of the population that cares about gluten, made in the usa, gmo, free range, whatever ... and if you do care about that stuff, you are probably shopping at Whole Foods and the like anyway
07-06-15, 10:17 AM
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But just because information is important to you doesn't mean that information needs to be mandated for everybody.
07-06-15, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by CRM114
This is what we are aspiring to be? A ("relatively large percentage of") society who continues not to give a flying fuck about anything? And then you wonder why health care costs are skyrocketing. Why not progress in this area? I actually think we are progressing on food and there seems to be a contingent who is fearful or stubborn.
Weird. I agree with you.
07-06-15, 03:26 PM
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Re: You don't need to know were your meat comes from!
Originally Posted by stvn1974
I agree, knowing where the food I eat comes from and what is in it is a bit more important than knowing my baseball cap was made by a 4 year old in some country I have never heard of. Even if GMOs are scientifically proven to be safe I think food should still have to be labled so if I don't want it I don't have to get it. I should also be able to find out where my produce was grown by looking at the sticker on it. I should have choices.
This is just another political thing where you can usually see which side people lean by whether they are for or against it.
This is just another political thing where you can usually see which side people lean by whether they are for or against it.
Enjoy hard cheese? Too bad... All hard cheese is genetically modified.
I think the biggest issue is people don't understand GMO science. They demand products be free of GMO even on products and produce where no commercial GMO food exists. If they understood how it all worked they'd understand that GMO food is thousands of times safer than traditional breeding methods.
07-06-15, 03:32 PM
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Re: You don't need to know were your meat comes from!
The meat labeling issue is about money.
If you want labeling on meat, you will have to either pay more taxes, or pay for a specified meat tax.
If you don't want mandatory labeling, then food will cost the same (actually, it'd cost a bit lower probably).
That's it.
If you want labeling on meat, you will have to either pay more taxes, or pay for a specified meat tax.
If you don't want mandatory labeling, then food will cost the same (actually, it'd cost a bit lower probably).
That's it.
07-06-15, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Navinabob
The meat labeling issue is about money.
If you want labeling on meat, you will have to either pay more taxes, or pay for a specified meat tax.
If you don't want mandatory labeling, then food will cost the same (actually, it'd cost a bit lower probably).
That's it.
If you want labeling on meat, you will have to either pay more taxes, or pay for a specified meat tax.
If you don't want mandatory labeling, then food will cost the same (actually, it'd cost a bit lower probably).
That's it.
Are they going to lower their prices now?
07-06-15, 05:35 PM
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Re: You don't need to know were your meat comes from!
Originally Posted by slop101
But it's already labeled - this new law actually lets them leave it off.
Are they going to lower their prices now?
Are they going to lower their prices now?
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07-07-15, 02:37 PM
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Re: You don't need to know were your meat comes from!
For those who want to know what the added costs of GMO labeling would be and how cost prohibited it is:
http://thefoodiefarmer.blogspot.com/...-labeling.html
Good breakdown from Scientific American:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...re-a-bad-idea/
and Science Blog:
http://scienceblogs.com/tomorrowstab...-why-gmo-labe/
http://thefoodiefarmer.blogspot.com/...-labeling.html
Good breakdown from Scientific American:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...re-a-bad-idea/
and Science Blog:
http://scienceblogs.com/tomorrowstab...-why-gmo-labe/
07-07-15, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by eXcentris
If I wanted labelling on my meat, I'd get a tatoo.
07-07-15, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Mikael79
You'd need to label it, so you'd remember how to spell tattoo.
07-07-15, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by CRM114
This is what we are aspiring to be? A ("relatively large percentage of") society who continues not to give a flying fuck about anything? And then you wonder why health care costs are skyrocketing. Why not progress in this area? I actually think we are progressing on food and there seems to be a contingent who is fearful or stubborn.
Everything from from another country is inherently unhealthy?
07-07-15, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Navinabob
Many people argue for GMO labels in the name of increased consumer choice. On the contrary, such labels have limited people's options. In 1997, a time of growing opposition to GMOs in Europe, the E.U. began to require them. By 1999, to avoid labels that might drive customers away, most major European retailers had removed genetically modified ingredients from products bearing their brand. Major food producers such as Nestlé followed suit. Today it is virtually impossible to find GMOs in European supermarkets.
As for the fines for labeling country of origin for meat....let's face it, our government is spending so much money that we don't have every day, so it's not like writing another check will kill us.
07-07-15, 06:19 PM
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Re: You don't need to know were your meat comes from!
Originally Posted by kvrdave
From that article
I don't mind GMOs. No problem with them at all. I think they do great things. But the argument is generally that people are too stupid so we have to protect them by giving them less information. Personally, it sounds like the solution is to give them more education. But the above quote really only says to me that the food companies are giving their customers what they want. To me it doesn't matter why they want it, be it stupidity or something else. If that is what they want, then give it to them. If there are good reasons to eat GMOs (I can think of several), then put out PSAs, scientific findings in health text books, etc. But this idea (not saying you believe it) that we should just give people less information because they are dumb simply isn't how we should treat other people in the market place, imo.
As for the fines for labeling country of origin for meat....let's face it, our government is spending so much money that we don't have every day, so it's not like writing another check will kill us.
I don't mind GMOs. No problem with them at all. I think they do great things. But the argument is generally that people are too stupid so we have to protect them by giving them less information. Personally, it sounds like the solution is to give them more education. But the above quote really only says to me that the food companies are giving their customers what they want. To me it doesn't matter why they want it, be it stupidity or something else. If that is what they want, then give it to them. If there are good reasons to eat GMOs (I can think of several), then put out PSAs, scientific findings in health text books, etc. But this idea (not saying you believe it) that we should just give people less information because they are dumb simply isn't how we should treat other people in the market place, imo.
As for the fines for labeling country of origin for meat....let's face it, our government is spending so much money that we don't have every day, so it's not like writing another check will kill us.
They did just as much work as it takes right up until it take effort or money and they stopped.
I would love the idea of giving people more education, however people are idiots. Sometimes you gotta protect people from their own stupidity.
07-07-15, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Navinabob
I would love the idea of giving people more education, however people are idiots. Sometimes you gotta protect people from their own stupidity.
I say quit protecting them or Idiocracy will come reality.
