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Old 01-20-19, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Why So Blu? View Post
Here's this peach of a woman, but hey, the guy probably walked up to her first.

Rhode Island teaching assistant fired after telling man to 'go back to Mexico'




https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/rhod...150145151.html

I generally think that what people do when they're not at work is none of their employer's business.

That being said, teachers are a role model. What they do when they are in a public place (even when they're not at school) does matter. I completely understand why the school fired her.

Also, mean people suck.
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Grundle, youíve been quite open with this forum regarding the fact that you have Aspergerís and therefore have trouble reading social cues. I would suggest that your inability to read social cues is coloring your insistence that the kid is just standing there smiling innocently.

I would also also suggest that the fact that Mr. Phillips approached the students is not the relevant fact given that Mr. Phillips has been very clear in saying he approached them to defuse a confrontation between the group of several dozen students and a small group of black men.

I think you may be 100% right about all of that.

And thank you for understanding that I'm not trying to be a bad guy.
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Old 01-20-19, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Trevor View Post
I went to bad thinking how nice it was to finally have an incident that no one here could possibly defend.
When I saw the flurry of ignored posts show up in the thread, I didnít need to click view to know what was happening.
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Old 01-20-19, 05:37 PM
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

Hey, it's war on the white man. Folks have to come in and defend the bullshit. Minority privilege? We can't have that!

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Old 01-20-19, 05:45 PM
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

Originally Posted by Draven View Post
But we did know that the Native American veteran approached the group. Itís literally been in every story Iíve read about it. I posted a quote from a CNN article about it in post #9843.
Looks like they updated the story and they have noted they have not heard "Build the wall" and "Trump 2020" in the videos reviewed.
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Those black Israelites certainly are pains in tha ass. I really dislike those loud religious street corner prosthelatizers. And they only seem interested in shouting down and insulting others. Westboro Baptist Church level shit right there.

The whole things just ugly. Stupid arrogant people on every side who seem to only want to fight, agitate, and insult.

I feel sorry for anyone just trying to view the sights that day.
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Old 01-20-19, 10:23 PM
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Video description:

Full video of what transpired regarding Catholic High students

First 45 minutes are african americans being incredibly racist and threatening violence against the students directly. Kept that in the upload in case someone accuses me of deceptive editing. Nothing here was edited, at all. This is the whole video of the entire event.

Starts getting interesting around @1:10:00

Native Americans invade the student rally at 1:11:24. You can see them come across directly, and instigate the confrontation with the kids. The kids were minding their own business.

At NO point in the entire video do they chant "build the wall."

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Old 01-20-19, 10:26 PM
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Old 01-20-19, 10:30 PM
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Scott Adams's wikipedia page mentions him having a number of medical conditions, but Asperger's is not one of them. And he agrees with everything that I have been saying.

I watched the first 20 minutes of this.

Adams apologizes for an earlier video that he had made (and which he has since deleted) where he was very critical of the teens in MAGA hats. He says the reason that he changed his mind is because he watched the complete video that I posted in my previous post.

In this new video, Adams says:

The teens were completely innocent.

The black Israelites were using racist and anti-gay slurs.

The teens in MAGA hats criticized the black Israelites for using racist and anti-gay slurs.

The native American man walked up to the teen and started banging his drum very close to the teen's face.

The teen stood his ground and refused to move.

The teens stood and smiled.

The teens did not do anything wrong.


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And just like the chickenshit that he is, takes no responsibility for his actions. It wasn't me, it was the one-armed man. Fuck him.
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Old 01-20-19, 10:37 PM
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The Washington Post states (the bolding is mine):


https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...=.1507ee610975

Phillips said a few people in the March for Life crowd began to chant, “Build that wall, build that wall,” though such chants are not audible on video.

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Old 01-20-19, 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Why So Blu? View Post
And just like the chickenshit that he is, takes no responsibility for his actions. It wasn't me, it was the one-armed man. Fuck him.

Not sure that is helping

I believe Dr. Richard Kimble was in fact innocent.
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I don't know how to magnify that teeny tiny text, so I found this version of it:




https://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...ry/2634008002/



Covington Catholic student from incident at the Indigenous Peoples March issues statement with his side of the story


January 20, 2019

The Covington Catholic student seen facing off with a Native American protestor in viral videos spread across the Internet issued a statement to The Enquirer through a lawyer and spokesman on Sunday night. The family, through the spokesman, declined any further interviews


Statement of Nick Sandmann, Covington Catholic High School Junior, Regarding Incident at the Lincoln Memorial

I am providing this factual account of what happened on Friday afternoon at the Lincoln Memorial to correct misinformation and outright lies being spread about my family and me


I am the student in the video who was confronted by the Native American protestor. I arrived at the Lincoln Memorial at 4:30 p.m. I was told to be there by 5:30 p.m., when our busses were due to leave Washington for the trip back to Kentucky. We had been attending the March for Life rally, and then had split up into small groups to do sightseeing.



When we arrived, we noticed four African American protestors who were also on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial. I am not sure what they were protesting, and I did not interact with them. I did hear them direct derogatory insults at our school group.


The protestors said hateful things. They called us “racists,” “bigots,” “white crackers,” “faggots,” and “incest kids.” They also taunted an African American student from my school by telling him that we would “harvest his organs.” I have no idea what that insult means, but it was startling to hear.



Because we were being loudly attacked and taunted in public, a student in our group asked one of our teacher chaperones for permission to begin our school spirit chants to counter the hateful things that were being shouted at our group. The chants are commonly used at sporting events.


They are all positive in nature and sound like what you would hear at any high school. Our chaperone gave us permission to use our school chants. We would not have done that without obtaining permission from the adults in charge of our group.


At no time did I hear any student chant anything other than the school spirit chants. I did not witness or hear any students chant “build that wall” or anything hateful or racist at any time. Assertions to the contrary are simply false. Our chants were loud because we wanted to drown out the hateful comments that were being shouted at us by the protestors.



After a few minutes of chanting, the Native American protestors, who I hadn’t previously noticed, approached our group. The Native American protestors had drums and were accompanied by at least one person with a camera.


The protestor everyone has seen in the video began playing his drum as he waded into the crowd, which parted for him. I did not see anyone try to block his path. He locked eyes with me and approached me, coming within inches of my face. He played his drum the entire time he was in my face.


I never interacted with this protestor. I did not speak to him. I did not make any hand gestures or other aggressive moves. To be honest, I was startled and confused as to why he had approached me. We had already been yelled at by another group of protestors, and when the second group approached I was worried that a situation was getting out of control where adults were attempting to provoke teenagers.


I believed that by remaining motionless and calm, I was helping to diffuse the situation. I realized everyone had cameras and that perhaps a group of adults was trying to provoke a group of teenagers into a larger conflict. I said a silent prayer that the situation would not get out of hand.


During the period of the drumming, a member of the protestor’s entourage began yelling at a fellow student that we “stole our land” and that we should “go back to Europe.” I heard one of my fellow students begin to respond. I motioned to my classmate and tried to get him to stop engaging with the protestor, as I was still in the mindset that we needed to calm down tensions.


I never felt like I was blocking the Native American protestor. He did not make any attempt to go around me. It was clear to me that he had singled me out for a confrontation, although I am not sure why.


The engagement ended when one of our teachers told me the busses had arrived and it was time to go. I obeyed my teacher and simply walked to the busses. At that moment, I thought I had diffused the situation by remaining calm, and I was thankful nothing physical had occurred.


I never understood why either of the two groups of protestors were engaging with us, or exactly what they were protesting at the Lincoln Memorial. We were simply there to meet a bus, not become central players in a media spectacle. This is the first time in my life I’ve ever encountered any sort of public protest, let alone this kind of confrontation or demonstration.


I was not intentionally making faces at the protestor. I did smile at one point because I wanted him to know that I was not going to become angry, intimidated or be provoked into a larger confrontation. I am a faithful Christian and practicing Catholic, and I always try to live up to the ideals my faith teaches me – to remain respectful of others, and to take no action that would lead to conflict or violence.


I harbor no ill will for this person. I respect this person’s right to protest and engage in free speech activities, and I support his chanting on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial any day of the week. I believe he should re-think his tactics of invading the personal space of others, but that is his choice to make.



I am being called every name in the book, including a racist, and I will not stand for this mob-like character assassination of my family’s name. My parents were not on the trip, and I strive to represent my family in a respectful way in all public settings.


I have received physical and death threats via social media, as well as hateful insults. One person threatened to harm me at school, and one person claims to live in my neighborhood. My parents are receiving death and professional threats because of the social media mob that has formed over this issue.


I love my school, my teachers and my classmates. I work hard to achieve good grades and to participate in several extracurricular activities. I am mortified that so many people have come to believe something that did not happen – that students from my school were chanting or acting in a racist fashion toward African Americans or Native Americans. I did not do that, do not have hateful feelings in my heart, and did not witness any of my classmates doing that.


I cannot speak for everyone, only for myself. But I can tell you my experience with Covington Catholic is that students are respectful of all races and cultures. We also support everyone’s right to free speech.


I am not going to comment on the words or account of Mr. Phillips, as I don’t know him and would not presume to know what is in his heart or mind. Nor am I going to comment further on the other protestors, as I don’t know their hearts or minds, either.


I have read that Mr. Phillips is a veteran of the United States Marines. I thank him for his service and am grateful to anyone who puts on the uniform to defend our nation. If anyone has earned the right to speak freely, it is a U.S. Marine veteran.


I can only speak for myself and what I observed and felt at the time. But I would caution everyone passing judgement based on a few seconds of video to watch the longer video clips that are on the internet, as they show a much different story than is being portrayed by people with agendas.


I provided this account of events to the Diocese of Covington so they may know exactly what happened, and I stand ready and willing to cooperate with any investigation they are conducting.


This is the only statement that has been made by the Sandmann family. Any comments attributed to any member of the family that is not contained in this document are fabricated. The family will not be answering individual media inquiries.

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The Native American guy sounds like a nutcase:

Phillips said the students who derided him Friday were motivated by fear of different people.

"The Black Israelites, they were saying some harsh things, but some of it was true, too," Phillips said. "These young, white American kids who were being taught in their Catholic school, their doctrine, their truth, and when they found out there's more truth out there than what they're being taught, they were offended, they were insulted, they were scared, and that's how they responded. One thing that I was taught in my Marine Corp training is that a scared man will kill you. And that's what these boys were. They were scared."

FULL ARTCLE - https://www.courier-journal.com/stor...eo/2631381002/

He's completely delusional:

Phillips, a former Marine, said the incident started as a group of Catholic students from Kentucky were observing the Black Israelites talk, and started to get upset at their speeches. The Catholic group then got bigger and bigger, with more than 100 assembled at one point, he said.

"They witnessed these individuals on their soapbox saying what they had to say," Phillips said. "They didn't agree with it and got offended."

Then, things got heated.

"They were in the process of attacking these four black individuals," Phillip said. "I was there and I was witnessing all of this ... As this kept on going on and escalating, it just got to a point where you do something or you walk away, you know? You see something that is wrong and you're faced with that choice of right or wrong. "

Phillips said some of the members of the Black Hebrew group were also acting up, "saying some harsh things" and that one member spit in the direction of the Catholic students. "So I put myself in between that, between a rock and hard place," he said.

But then, the crowd of mostly male students turned their anger towards Phillips.

"There was that moment when I realized I've put myself between beast and prey," Phillips said. "These young men were beastly and these old black individuals was their prey, and I stood in between them and so they needed their pounds of flesh and they were looking at me for that."

FULL ARTICLE: https://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...eo/2630256002/

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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

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As it stands right now, I see a bunch of teenagers who are in public, seeing something they've never seen before in real life, and doing the only thing they know how to do - just stand there and smile, and try to have as good a time as possible.

The teen's statement matches what I had observed.

This is from the teen's letter that I just posted in my previous post:


To be honest, I was startled and confused as to why he had approached me.

I was not intentionally making faces at the protestor. I did smile at one point because I wanted him to know that I was not going to become angry, intimidated or be provoked into a larger confrontation.
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How are you going to explain away the tomahawk chops? I think the tomahawk chops and certain other behaviors say even more than engaging in a staredown.

P.S. That one kid's statement was apparently released by a public relations firm, so it's probably been massaged. I have to admit that it is well-written.
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How are you going to explain away the tomahawk chops? I think the tomahawk chops and certain other behaviors say even more than engaging in a staredown.

P.S. That one kid's statement was apparently released by a public relations firm, so it's probably been massaged. I have to admit that it is well-written.

I wasn't even aware of that, but a quick search shows this:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/20/u...covington.html

Some students also appear to make the tomahawk chop gesture popularized at certain sporting events.

I think this could be perceived either as an attempt at mocking the Native American, or as an attempt at joining him in the fun based on their very limited knowledge of his culture.
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or as an attempt at joining him in the fun based on their very limited knowledge of his culture.
Please stop.
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Here are two article about the TV show Seinfeld.

But even though the two articles largely talk about the same episodes, the first article says the show dealt positively with controversial topics, while the second article says the episodes are offensive.

Same show, but two very different ways of interpreting it.

https://tv.avclub.com/about-nothing-...des-1798270014

https://www.bustle.com/p/these-13-jo...-nazi-10191949
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And here we see that the anti-Trump supporters are using the n-word toward the black Trump supporter:


https://twitter.com/ava_quigley/stat...96421226029056

And I'll add that the black Trump supporter who is getting the n-word used against him is a child, and the people who are using the n-word against this child are adults.

Adults are using the n-word against a black child, and I don't think a single liberal in this thread has criticized them for that.

Why is that?

The only explanation for their silence that I can think of is that the black child is a Trump supporter. If I'm wrong, then please offer an alternative explanation for their silence.
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Please stop.

How do you explain this?



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I think this could be perceived either as an attempt at mocking the Native American, or as an attempt at joining him in the fun based on their very limited knowledge of his culture.
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An attempt to join in the fun of Judaism

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Everyone needs to watch this.


1 hour and 45 minutes of the complete situation.

The Indian and the boy are a distraction. The root of the problem are these so called Black Zionists. They were absolutely revoltingly offensive. They are obnoxious religious prosthelatizers who poisoned the whole scene. Watch it for yourselves. They taunt Indians and tell them that their religious beliefs are wrong and that they have to pray to The Hebrew god Yahweh. Totally insane behavior.
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Great, now I need to go re-watch Idiot Abroad...
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