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Old 08-27-17, 04:55 PM
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

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it wasn't a sucker punch
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In what way was it not?
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But the article says fewer blacks are going to college than before.
When did I talk about the numbers?
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

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Sunday, Sunday, SUNDAY!!
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This is the event my Antifa friend is going to. Let's get ready to RUMBLE!!!
Hey, joeblow69 was your friend one of the terrorists assaulting innocent people today?
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

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While he shouldn't have been punched, it wasn't a sucker punch, and his intentions certainly seem less than honorable. Approaching liberals with whom he hoped to have a constructive discussion wearing a MAGA hat is akin to a butcher approaching vegetarians to have constructive dialog with a bloody apron on. That doesn't mean his points (or the butchers points) are invalid, but when you effectively chum the waters, you can't then say you didn't want sharks around.
Oh he deserved it based on what he was wearing. What a slut!
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Oh he deserved it based on what he was wearing. What a slut!
The gentleman is an instigator trying to provoke a reaction and he received the reaction he wanted. In his own words:

I knew things would get worse from there and the fact that I was dressed for one of my GOP events and not for a socialist rebellion was even more concerning. I couldn’t back down. After all I skipped making an appearance to troll protesters at UTR with Baked Alaska to sponsor an event organized by Maxine Water’s strongest challenger (Edwin Duterte) and I was feeling like quite the cuck watching Baked Alaska lay his life out on the line for American values while I posed for photo ops with cougars on the coast.

I took a punch for Trump in Laguna Beach. Not because I had to, but because I wanted to expose to the nation how violent leftist agitators are.
He didn't deserve to be punched, but are you really going to keep defending this guys actions?
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

Originally Posted by mspmms View Post
Here is another: in this Antifa punches another Antifa
Good example of a sucker punch. Not sure where you get that both people involved are Antifa. Doesn't seem like either person involved was.
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

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Hey, joeblow69 was your friend one of the terrorists assaulting innocent people today?
he didn't post anything on facebook about assaulting innocent people. I haven't been watching the news, but everything I've read from my friends attending the various rallies was that they didn't see any violence.

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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

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Here is another: in this Antifa punches another Antifa
Antifafa!

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Good example of a sucker punch.
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

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The gentleman is an instigator trying to provoke a reaction and he received the reaction he wanted. In his own words:



He didn't deserve to be punched, but are you really going to keep defending this guys actions?

And anti-fa with their black bloc dosent do the same thing? Looking to provoke a response and then framing it as something completely different?


And they want to can Gone With The Wind? The first time a black woman won an academy award? Who are these racist assholes? We should dox them and get them fired!
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

Originally Posted by joeblow69 View Post
he didn't post anything on facebook about assaulting innocent people. I haven't been watching the news, but everything I've read from my friends attending the various rallies was that they didn't see any violence.

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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

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Any context for that? have to admit, a video of someone with a shield that says "No hate" beating up someone is kind of funny

As I'm sure you are aware, there is an alt-right smear campaign being waged against antifa, so I take all these kinds of reports with a pillar of salt:

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-41036631

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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

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And anti-fa with their black bloc dosent do the same thing? Looking to provoke a response and then framing it as something completely different?
What are you actually asking, because it doesn't seem like a question? From what I can tell, Antifa don't generally mill around for no reason. They seem to organize to oppose fascist marches and events.

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And they want to can Gone With The Wind? The first time a black woman won an academy award? Who are these racist assholes? We should dox them and get them fired!
I'm pretty sure Antifa don't have many patrons at The Orpheum Theatre in Memphis, Tennessee. Do you think they ran a special promotion, like Antifa Free Night (yes, I realize this could also mean Antifa aren't allowed on that night) to really pack them in? I'm guessing the "racist assholes" are the patrons of the revival theater in question. I'm also pretty sure most people won't be worried about having their identity revealed based on their movie going preferences. In fact I think you would be doing the world a favor by doxing folks and bringing more attention to the theater, which if it is like other revival houses, could use the publicity.
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

If social justice warriors are going to call out Gone With the Wind, they should try taking a position of observance, instead of cancelling the screenings. If they want people to know about it, let them watch. And then go to the media and have an intellectual conversation about their racist and misogynist accusations. Really, if you're going to see a Gone With the Wind revival in 2017, you're probably an intellectual type yourself (at least to some extent).

Just think if we started putting more accurate historical descriptions on confederate and otherwise offensive monuments...
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Weird that the Nazis in Charlottesville ignited all of this because they were upset about a statue.
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While he shouldn't have been punched, it wasn't a sucker punch, and his intentions certainly seem less than honorable.
It was a sucker punch. Anybody can see that.
But you want to make the Trump supporter look bad, and the anti-Trump supporter look better.

Approaching liberals with whom he hoped to have a constructive discussion wearing a MAGA hat is akin to a butcher approaching vegetarians to have constructive dialog with a bloody apron on. That doesn't mean his points (or the butchers points) are invalid, but when you effectively chum the waters, you can't then say you didn't want sharks around.
That's a stupid analogy. He's trying to talk to people not animals. Unless you want to infer that protesters against Trump are like animals or prone to violence.
Either way it's akin to saying, "Look at how she was dressed. She was asking for it."

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It was a hostile situation, the two people were facing each other, and the guy had a huge wind up.
It was a sucker punch. The white guy didn't square up with the black guy. The white guy was walking all casual-like, and the black guy only begins to turn his head to the white guy stopping to the side of him AFTER the white guy is beginning to throw the punch.


In related news, seemingly no one likes this guy. WaPo has an interesting photo detailing events conveniently left out of the Fox story. Seems he, R.C. Maxwell, was pepper-sprayed by "mistake" by a fellow President Trump supporter in Laguna Beach as well.
So a fellow Trump supporter mistakenly pepper-sprayed Maxwell and in the context of this discussion it means...he KINDA deserves it? Maxwell's fellow Trump supporters are even worse than his initial attacker?
On a side note, I'm not surprised Fox News left it out of their story, and I'm not surprised the Washington Post used the photo you're referencing under the headline "A Trump supporter was sucker-punched by a counter protester."
I'd like to know the motivation of the pepper-spray guy. Did he see a black guy and just assume he was a counter protester, was he an alt-righter looking to attack a black guy, or did he genuinely miss his target (the guy who punched Maxwell)?

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Here is another: in this Antifa punches another Antifa
We've had tough guys here encouraging others to punch neo-Nazi's/white supremacists, and that kind of talk leads to misunderstandings like this.


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Oh he deserved it based on what he was wearing. What a slut!
First thing I was thinking when I read JasonX's excuses.

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The gentleman is an instigator trying to provoke a reaction and he received the reaction he wanted. In his own words:

He didn't deserve to be punched, but are you really going to keep defending this guys actions?
If he didn't deserve to be punched why do you keep adding a "but" every time?

You can't get people to find common ground on anything these days.
You'd think some of the people who consider themselves patriots would agree with a city deciding to take down a statue honoring traitorous actions against our country and the attempt to keep people as slaves. But no.
"What about Washington? He had slaves..."

A guy gets physically assaulted for trying to talk to people at a protest. You'd think some of the people against fascism, against POC being victimized, against victim blaming would come to this victims defense. But no.
"He didn't deserve to get punched...but he had it coming. Did you see what he was wearing?
And it wasn't a sucker punch."

This is fucking pointless.

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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

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As I'm sure you are aware, there is an alt-right smear campaign being waged against antifa, so I take all these kinds of reports with a pillar of salt:

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-41036631
Not just against Antifa, but anyone who disagrees with them. This false flag kind of shit has been going on for a long time, more so over at least a few years now, but has gained traction in the last year. It's why I personally call bullshit on the Gone With The Wind complaints; unless there is proof that each complaint came from a legitimate resident of the town where the show was screening. It's far too easy to create a bunch of email accounts specifically to send anonymous messages to intended targets. Like, WAY too easy. If folks think no one has time for that, you haven't met a bored teenager or 20-something. It's just an evolution of the harmless trolling of the late 90's / early 2000's of the internet. But now (sometimes) they're getting paid for it.

There's a bigger issue at hand about how anonymous shit heads may be what leads us to the inevitable loss of the kind of internet anonymity that some people actually NEED, but that's for another thread someday.

Anyway, Point is...
No hay banda! There is no band! Il n'est pas de orquestra! This is all... a tape-recording. No hay banda! And yet we hear a band. If we want to hear a clarinette... listen. Un trombon "à coulisse". Un trombon "con sordina". Sient le son du trombon in sourdine. Hear le son... and mute it... drop it. It's all recorded. No hay banda! It's all a tape. Il n'est pas de orquestra. It is... an illusion!

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Dear Sucker Puncher,

We understand that you have an actual reason to be against bigots, racists, and Nazis. But would you get a move on all ready? You got a long way to go to catch up to the Holocaust, slavery, and the Jesus of Lubeck.


Thanks.
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

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Any context for that?
Here is another point of view, the guy in red in the video below was a actually a reporter who was trying to shield someone being attacked:

“I was scared they were going to kill him,” Letson said. “So the only thing I could think was I wanted to get on top of him to protect him.”

<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Someone dives on top of another guy being beaten by Antifa, begging them to stop, fleeing behind police lines. Intra-left blows exchanged. <a href="https://t.co/bz2zFEB25j">pic.twitter.com/bz2zFEB25j</a></p>&mdash; Jack Smith IV (@JackSmithIV) <a href="https://twitter.com/JackSmithIV/status/901912507010375681">August 27, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Weird that the Nazis in Charlottesville ignited all of this because they were upset about a statue.
Pretty disingenuous comparison since the meme referenced someone upset because they viewed a statue while you're talking about someone being upset because a statue was being removed.

That's the same difference that you have when one person complains about a piece of art (or theater ) being displayed or performed and another person complaining about the work being removed from public display or performance.

The first represents someone being offended by the display; the latter represents someone being offended by the censorship.

(But then...you knew that all along, didn't you? You rascal, you!)

I"m sure you wouldn't find it "weird" for someone to protest the censorship or removal of a theatrical work on grounds that it offended someone.

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/pro-confe...233130730.html

Large confrontation over Confederate statue in Knoxville, TN.

A lot of booing and hissing going down.

A couple of dozen demonstrators and about 400 counter-protesters. Not a lot of media coverage.
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It was a sucker punch. Anybody can see that.
But you want to make the Trump supporter look bad, and the anti-Trump supporter look better.
I don't think anyone who has been in any significant amount of fights would say this, but at the end of the day it really doesn't matter.



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That's a stupid analogy. He's trying to talk to people not animals. Unless you want to infer that protesters against Trump are like animals or prone to violence.
Either way it's akin to saying, "Look at how she was dressed. She was asking for it."
You need to reread what I wrote. There was no Dr Doolittle style talking with animals involved and the analogy is apt.

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If he didn't deserve to be punched why do you keep adding a "but" every time?

You can't get people to find common ground on anything these days.
You'd think some of the people who consider themselves patriots would agree with a city deciding to take down a statue honoring traitorous actions against our country and the attempt to keep people as slaves. But no.
"What about Washington? He had slaves..."

A guy gets physically assaulted for trying to talk to people at a protest. You'd think some of the people against fascism, against POC being victimized, against victim blaming would come to this victims defense. But no.
"He didn't deserve to get punched...but he had it coming. Did you see what he was wearing?
And it wasn't a sucker punch."
There is a "but" because the guy is a knowing and intentional troll. Let's look at his words again:

I knew things would get worse from there and the fact that I was dressed for one of my GOP events and not for a socialist rebellion was even more concerning. I couldn’t back down. After all I skipped making an appearance to troll protesters at UTR with Baked Alaska to sponsor an event organized by Maxine Water’s strongest challenger (Edwin Duterte) and I was feeling like quite the cuck watching Baked Alaska lay his life out on the line for American values while I posed for photo ops with cougars on the coast.

I took a punch for Trump in Laguna Beach. Not because I had to, but because I wanted to expose to the nation how violent leftist agitators are.
This is not someone seeking a reasonable discourse of ideas, this is someone trolling others hoping to incite a reaction. His desire is to illicit a negative response and that is what he got. I wish they hadn't given him the satisfaction. I'm far more worried that this will encourage others to act the same way, to try and get a negative responce from people for some perceived gain on their end. Seems not long ago, people on both sides of the spectrum would agree that trolls are bad. It's sad that they are now defended because they are "our side". You can't have reasonable discussion on a significant level so long as you have idiots like this guy knowingly trying to stir things up, regardless of which end of the spectrum they fall into.
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As some monuments come down, others go up.

This could be the start of a trend with more & more displays of Confederate flags and statuary on private property (as well as on public property where approved by majority).

https://www.yahoo.com/news/confedera...222028915.html

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The quote should say "Mother, I fought to keep ******s enslaved. I thought the Bible had my back."

Bred of a racist? You should be proud and worship that racism.

Robert "Straight Up the Middle" Lee himself thought monuments and statues to losers, Confederates, were a stupid idea. Wouldn't even allow them at his own funeral.
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