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Old 08-25-17, 01:32 PM
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Sounds like tomorrow's protest in San Francisco is gonna be a literal shit show!

When a group of far-right activists come to San Francisco to hold a rally this Saturday, they will be met by peace activists offering them flowers to wear in their hair.

Also, dog shit. Lots and lots of dog shit.
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

Originally Posted by inri222 View Post
Henry Rollins: Get Ready, Because Another Charlottesville Is Coming

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Is that a threat, Henry?
Are you illiterate?
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Old 08-25-17, 02:43 PM
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Be smart, be safe. Are you going to any counter protests?
I don't actually live there anymore, but I probably wouldn't go because I'm a wuss.
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Old 08-25-17, 02:59 PM
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Sadly I have to agree, after living in SF for half a year, the city really is a giant toilet. FUN as hell, but filthy.

I don't know what's going to happen this weekend in SF. Sounds like they are shutting down the MUNI and cable cars to try to keep people from showing up and causing problems. The gays are already on high alert with all the nazis and KKK people in town, we're being warned to watch who we hook up with (there are worries that the nazis will lure someone back to their hotel and beat them up).
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Old 08-25-17, 03:01 PM
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

Originally Posted by JasonF View Post
Are you illiterate?
I didn't read the article, the headline reads like a threat. Especially when it's attributed to a notorious chest thumping, tough talking dope.
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Old 08-25-17, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Mabuse View Post
I didn't read the article, the headline reads like a threat. Especially when it's attributed to a notorious chest thumping, tough talking dope.
There are only two ways the headline possibly reads like a threat: if you think Henry Rollins is a nazi or if you blame Charlottesville on some group other than nazis. Neither constitutes a particularly well informed or thought out opinion.
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Old 08-25-17, 03:27 PM
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

I understood the quote, but it also can be read two very different ways. There's no denying that. I'm just trying to have some fun at the expense of 2nd Place Blowhard Champion Henry Rollins. (He lost the #1 spot to Trump in 2016.)
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Neither constitutes a particularly well informed or thought out opinion.
just par for the course
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

Hurricane Harvey is racist:<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hurricane Harvey poised to disproportionately impact blacks in Texas, but no one is talking about it <a href="https://t.co/A6JrT6CYUp">https://t.co/A6JrT6CYUp</a></p>&mdash; Daily Kos (@dailykos) <a href="https://twitter.com/dailykos/status/901150363256016898">August 25, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Hurricane Harvey is racist:<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hurricane Harvey poised to disproportionately impact blacks in Texas, but no one is talking about it <a href="https://t.co/A6JrT6CYUp">https://t.co/A6JrT6CYUp</a></p>&mdash; Daily Kos (@dailykos) <a href="https://twitter.com/dailykos/status/901150363256016898">August 25, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Didn't the same thing happen with Katrina? Was Katrina racist?
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Didn't the same thing happen with Katrina? Was Katrina racist?
Hurricanes can't be racist. They are only doing god's will.
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This proves it - THE WEATHER IS RACIST!
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Originally Posted by Mabuse View Post
I didn't read the article.
Obviously not. And if you think Henry Rollins is a chest-thumping dope, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

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Hurricane Harvey is racist:<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hurricane Harvey poised to disproportionately impact blacks in Texas, but no one is talking about it <a href="https://t.co/A6JrT6CYUp">https://t.co/A6JrT6CYUp</a></p>&mdash; Daily Kos (@dailykos) <a href="https://twitter.com/dailykos/status/901150363256016898">August 25, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
That articles cites this quote from another source:

"Noteworthy also is the high percentage of people in poverty [in Texas] who are African American women, especially single parents. Of the 24% of African Americans below poverty level, single mothers make up 65%."

This is exactly what I have been saying here for years.
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That articles cites this quote from another source:

"Noteworthy also is the high percentage of people in poverty [in Texas] who are African American women, especially single parents. Of the 24% of African Americans below poverty level, single mothers make up 65%."

This is exactly what I have been saying here for years.
You've been saying what statistics say is true? Congrats?
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Old 08-25-17, 07:58 PM
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You've been saying what statistics say is true? Congrats?

Here's what I said:


http://forum.dvdtalk.com/12682627-post634.html

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Among black children raised by married parents, the poverty rate is actually quite low. So there is a proven, real world solution to the problem. But apparently, some people would rather complain about the problem instead of actually solve the problem.

The high rate of illegitimacy among blacks is a brand new problem that did not exist during the first 100 years after slavery was abolished.

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Letís consider two groups of people in the U.S. The first group has a poverty rate of 2%. The second group has a poverty rate of 76%.

The first group consists of people who followed all three of these steps:

1) Finish high school.

2) Get a full-time job.

3) Wait until age 21 and get married before having children.

The second group consists of people who followed zero of those three steps.

Among people who follow all three of these steps, the poverty rate is 2%.

Among people who follow zero of these steps, the poverty rate is 76%.

(My source for that information is this article, which refers to this PDF, and the relevant data is on page 15 of the PDF. The study uses data from the U.S. Census Bureau.)

In other words, the people who complain about black poverty should focus more on encouraging people to get married, instead of pretending that the biggest problem is racism.

Also, the white liberals who started trying to "help" blacks with their "great society" and "war on poverty" ought to admit that their' "help" actually created huge economic incentives for people to avoid getting married. Giving money to widows with children is a good idea. But paying parents to never get married in the first place is a horrible idea.

If these white liberals really want to help blacks, the white liberals should say to them, "We got married before we had our kids, and you should do the same."

And they should show this video to every middle school and high school student, repeatedly, every year:




Imagine how different the world would be in the future if white liberals spent as much time on that topic as they currently spend talking about how racist the world is.
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So if I take your marriage as the solution to black people's problems to the next logical step, they should actually focus on education and access to birth control, including increasing access to abortions. Holy shit, I agree with grundle!
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So if I take your marriage as the solution to black people's problems to the next logical step, they should actually focus on education and access to birth control, including increasing access to abortions. Holy shit, I agree with grundle!
I do indeed support access to education, birth control, and abortion.
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I do indeed support access to education, birth control, and abortion.
Well holy shit. It's a minor miracle.
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Old 08-25-17, 08:19 PM
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You can spend as much taxpayer money as you want, but without proper parenting, most kids will never stand a chance. There are some exceptions, but those are the exceptions, not the rule.


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Affirmative Action Has Failed. It Never Had a Chance to Succeed

College admissions committees canít repair the damage caused by family dissolution.

By David French ó August 24, 2017

This morning the New York Times published an extraordinary, data-rich article examining the outcome of diversity efforts at colleges and universities from coast to coast. The results, quite frankly, are sobering.

After decades of affirmative action, billions of dollars invested in finding, mentoring, and recruiting minority students, and extraordinary levels of effort and experimentation, black and Hispanic students are ďmore underrepresented at the nationís top colleges and universities than they were 35 years agoĒ (emphasis added). White and Asian students, on the other hand, remain overrepresented as a percentage of the population, with Asian students most overrepresented of all.

On the one hand, these statistics represent a staggering failure. Itís difficult to overstate the modern campus obsession with diversity. To judge from marketing materials, campus investments, and the explosive growth of diversity bureaucracies, increasing minority representation on campus isnít just a priority on par with, say, a good math, English, or engineering department, itís deemed to be an indispensable part of a high-quality college education. Thatís the legal rationale thatís used to justify racial discrimination in college admissions ó that there is a ďcompelling state interestĒ in creating a truly diverse educational experience.

On the other hand, however, one wonders whether failure was inevitable. Not even the most aggressive of affirmative-action programs can find students who donít exist. And when it comes to college admissions, the problem isnít a lack of collegiate demand for qualified minority students but rather a serious deficiency in supply. There are simply not enough students who are ready, willing, and able to do the work.

Thatís not to say that affirmative action is meaningless or irrelevant. Absent admissions preferences, the number of black and Hispanic students would decrease even further. It does mean, however, that educational disadvantages exist long before the college admissions process, and the college admissions process canít come close to closing the gap. Hereís the Times:

"Affirmative action increases the numbers of black and Hispanic students at many colleges and universities, but experts say that persistent underrepresentation often stems from equity issues that begin earlier."

"Elementary and secondary schools with large numbers of black and Hispanic students are less likely to have experienced teachers, advanced courses, high-quality instructional materials and adequate facilities, according to the United States Department of Educationís Office for Civil Rights."

Wait just a moment. Thereís little doubt that these factors matter, but isnít there a word missing from the Timesí summary of disadvantages? Isnít it, quite possibly, the most important word? Yes, Iím thinking of ďfamily.Ē

Hereís an interesting fact. The cohort thatís most overrepresented in American colleges and universities, Asian Americans, also happens to have the lowest percentage of nonmarital births in the United States. In fact, the greater the percentage of nonmarital births, the worse the educational outcomes. Only 16.4 percent of Asian and Pacific Islander children are born into nonmarried households. For white, Hispanic, and black Americans the percentages are 29.2, 53, and 70.6, respectively. Taken together, that means that staggering numbers of Hispanic and black children face a degree of family stress and uncertainty that their white and Asian peers simply donít experience.

While itís of course true that correlation doesnít always indicate causation, one of the most important realities explored in Robert Putnamís vital book, Our Kids, is the extent to which childhood stresses can plague kids for the rest of their lives. Family dissolution and family instability place extraordinary pressure on young hearts and minds, and one doubts whether better lab equipment, motivated teachers, or new school buildings can ameliorate the aggregate effects of such profound loss.

No one should argue that increased resources make no difference. But to omit the influence of family on educational outcome is to conveniently forget the elephant in the room. Teachers know the importance of family, and they feel its absence. A good friend taught four years in an inner-city elementary school, and she told me that out of 100 kids (25 per year) exactly seven lived with their mom and dad. None lived with married parents. Only a small minority of single moms ever showed up for parent-teacher conferences. How much money will put those kids on equal footing with peers from intact, engaged families?

Indeed, thereís abundant evidence that even vast increases in public spending on education hasnít led to corresponding increases in test scores, and when you understand how education really works, itís easy to understand why. One of the most common characteristics of high-achieving students is they come from families that prioritize academic success. Yes, there are exceptions. Every college class includes high-achieving kids from single-parent homes, but at scale family involvement is indispensable.

But rather than focus on families, our political culture spends 90 percent of its time talking about 10 percent solutions ó investing vast sums to move the margins. Part of this rests on fundamentally flawed conceptions of human nature, including the notion that government programs and government spending can replicate the advantages inherent in two-parent families. Think of Barack Obamaís now-famous ďLife of JuliaĒ graphic, which chronicled all the ways the Obama administration could elevate Julia and her children, with nary a man in sight.

In Jessica Gavoraís memorable phrase, Julia was married to the ďHubby State.Ē The Hubby State is the sexual revolutionaryís dream ó you gain personal autonomy without losing security or opportunity.

But part of our unwillingness to talk about families rests in something else ó a sense of resignation and despair. After all, what can we do? Whatís the four-point plan for building a marriage culture in neighborhoods where kids may grow up without knowing a single person who lives in an intact home? We often donít like to hear that cultural problems only have cultural or religious solutions because thatís hard, thatís long-term, and thatís out of our control. So, we change what we can change ó curriculum, spending levels, admissions policies ó and hope for the best.

No one should think that if we could wave a magic wand and immediately knit families back together then our nation would cure all its ills. Racism and its legacy still haunts this nation, and a myriad of other factors would lead to different outcomes. But we can say, and we do know, that intact families are greater assets to children than even the most generous taxpayers or the most diligent college admissions committee, and not even the most generous taxpayers or the most diligent admissions committee can fix the inequality that damaged families create.
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Affirmative action isn't a solution. It's a band-aid. As in, we can't stop people from being racist or being shitty parents but we can keep colleges from only admitting white people.

You have to do all kinds of things together to combat racism.
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Hurricanes can't be racist. They are only doing god's will.
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Affirmative action isn't a solution. It's a band-aid. As in, we can't stop people from being racist or being shitty parents but we can keep colleges from only admitting white people.

You have to do all kinds of things together to combat racism.

Lots of black people went to college before affirmative action was invented.

They got in based on something called merit.
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Lots of black people went to college before affirmative action was invented.

They got in based on something called merit.
Oh, okay, then problem solved.
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