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Old 08-18-17, 02:09 PM
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

Originally Posted by Giantrobo View Post
Trust me, that's a "thing". Cosplayers of Color are always getting shit from racist nerds who get on their pages and make posts or inbox them saying they shouldn't Cosplay because they are Black, Hispanic, etc...
It's so weird, because in my experience, the nerdier folks tend to be so welcoming and friendly. I know, for me, I can't really comprehend racism, but I always figure I have a lot of sympathy, given that I had my share of people pushing me off of bus seats and calling me names and hitting me and such, until I got out of highschool.

So I've always had zero tolerance for people being assholes to people because they're a woman or black or whatever. Because I got judged, picked on and roughed up just for being a poor white nerdy kid.

But there is apparently a large contingency of neckbeards and anime geeks that are total racist / sexist assholes. I guess I don't really know any like that, but I keep a pretty small circle of friends, like a lot of introverts.
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

Another victim of intolerance. Moderate Republican, not a neo-Nazi, just wants to save the Robert E. Lee statue to preserve American history. Shouldn't matter that he associated with the Daily Stormer and marched with white nationalists, right? One of the "very fine people" now driven from his home by his neighbors.

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Antifascist group outs Honeoye Falls man as Charlottesville marcher

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PUBLISHED: THURSDAY, AUGUST 17, 2017 AT 3:34 PM

A Rochester-based antifascist group posted about 250 fliers around Honeoye Falls earlier this week that identify a village resident marching in a rally attended by white supremacists in Charlottesville, Va., this past weekend.

“No Nazis in our neighborhood,” read the words emblazoned in large, bold type across the tops of the fliers, which also show a picture of a group of demonstrators carrying tiki torches on the campus of the University of Virginia at Charlottesville the night of Aug. 11. One man carrying a torch near the bottom right corner of the image is circled.

The fliers identify the circled man as Jerrod Kuhn and claim that he is a “leading figure with the Daily Stormer, an avowedly neo-Nazi website around which local groups have been organizing to promote anti-Semitism, white supremacy and violence against LGBTQ communities.”

Speaking early Wednesday afternoon outside his Honeoye Falls residence, Kuhn staunchly denied being a neo-Nazi, calling the assertion “a crazy accusation.”

“I’m not a neo-Nazi. I don’t belong to a German workers’ party from 1933,” he said. “... I’m a moderate Republican.”

Kuhn, a 2015 graduate of Honeoye Falls-Lima Central Schools, said he traveled to Charlottesville solely to protest the removal of a Robert E. Lee statue from one of the city’s parks.

“It’s a piece of history, and I thought that it should remain,” he said. “It’s important to me that we preserve American history no matter how ugly the past is it’s associated with.”

The group of tiki torch-carrying individuals Kuhn marched with in Charlottesville was recorded on video shouting slogans such as “You will not replace us,” “Jews will not replace us,” “blood and soil,” and “white lives matter” as they marched across the University of Virginia’s campus the night of Aug. 11.

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According to Berkman (who published the flyers), Eastside Antifascists came to the conclusion Kuhn was a neo-Nazi by tracking his online activity, especially on the Daily Stormer’s website, over a period of time. Berkman also claimed that members of Eastside Antifascists followed and photographed Kuhn attending a meeting of Western New York fascists this past winter.

Video shot by Paul Blake for the BBC, accessible online at bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40952796, shows Kuhn at the protest shouting and making aggressive movements and gestures toward counter protestors. The video does not show Kuhn attacking or coming into physical contact with counter protestors.

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Kuhn said the fliers have ruined his life and that, after they were posted around the village, he and members of his family have received death threats. Law enforcement has been made aware of the threats, said Kuhn, but he thinks he’ll probably have to move out of the area.

“I can’t live in this community anymore. I’m in the process of figuring out what I’m going to do,” he said. “I’m 21 years old and now my life is over in this area.”

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Old 08-18-17, 02:17 PM
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

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Her adult site got shut down by the owners, because even pornographers have more class than to associate with Nazis.
Yeah, I read that. But I'm sure her pics/videos? are still out there.
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

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...And don't get me started on those legions of Stormtroopers.
Hey now, don't be casting aspersions on the Legion.

Okay, there's Jamin Fite, but most of us avoid any further association with him and I understand he's been inactivated.
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

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Yeah, I read that. But I'm sure her pics/videos? are still out there.
Yeah, google alisakiss.
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Old 08-18-17, 02:31 PM
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Important question:

Spoiler:
So did I read she also does Adult/Nude stuff? I think I'll have to research that.
That's what her paid site was. Softcore nude pics and harder (but not full hardcore) masturbation videos. She supposedly made decent money from it but she blew up that well herself this past week. I figure some of them will start popping up on Motherless or Pornhub now that it's probably permanently down.
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

Sunday, Sunday, SUNDAY!!
Spoiler:

This is the event my Antifa friend is going to. Let's get ready to RUMBLE!!!
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

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Important question:

Spoiler:
So did I read she also does Adult/Nude stuff? I think I'll have to research that.
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Old 08-18-17, 02:46 PM
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

I know y'all are having fun talking about apes and cosplayers and whatever, but here's an article worth checking out:

https://theestablishment.co/when-fre...s-9cb1353086e9
As so many of us pointed out, the Klansmen, Nazis, and neo-Confederates were marching en masse in broad daylight without hoods or masks. That boldness has its origins in the permission granted by powerful institutions and prominent commentators who said the “marketplace of ideas” would crush Nazism, in Twitter’s ongoing failure to stamp out the Nazi presence on the platform, in the excuses made by liberal/left commentators eager to score easy points off of student activists rather than do the hard work needed to fight an actual threat to freedom.

All this in the name of that foolish consistency that Emerson excoriated so long ago, as if discernment were not also a moral and intellectual skill.

I could say “the time for illusions is over” or some such thing, but people of color have been dying for decades so that people like Greenwald or Chait could cling to a fantasy of “free speech” that never includes us when we need it most, that privileges the speech rights of our murderers over our right to live. It needs to stop now.

I am not the price to be paid for the hobgoblin of your consistent arguments.
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But bitching about Naked Nazi Cosplayers is so much fun!
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

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Sunday, Sunday, SUNDAY!!
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This is the event my Antifa friend is going to. Let's get ready to RUMBLE!!!
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

Originally Posted by mspmms View Post
In case you didn't know.

Thor is a chick now:

A physically perfect chick ...

But there are a lot of people in fandom who are angry that Thor is a woman/Captain America is black/Iron Man is a black woman. Complaints about characters being reimagined from their 1930s-1960s Straight White Male default is a prominent part of comics fandom these days.
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Old 08-18-17, 03:18 PM
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

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A physically perfect chick ...

But there are a lot of people in fandom who are angry that Thor is a woman/Captain America is black/Iron Man is a black woman. Complaints about characters being reimagined from their 1930s-1960s Straight White Male default is a prominent part of comics fandom these days.
Any change about superhero characters is prominent in fandom for quite a while.

They gave Wonder Woman a jacket and pants, angry fans.

They changed Superman wearing red underwear on the outside, angry fans.

They make Dick Grayson Batman, angry fans.

They make Spider-man single again, angry fans.

I think Jim Shooter was heavily criticized for allowing Spider-man's costume to change, Roddy becoming Iron Man, Thor being an alien, She-Hulk replacing the Thing in the FF, etc.

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A physically perfect chick ...
The point that I may not have made clear is I just might find myself "ogling" a woman Thor.
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...or googling

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If that's the case, then yeah. I don't agree with creekdipper if that's the case, for obvious reasons.

As for Baron of Hell's response about supporting Nazi's or defending Nazi's I don't even think that applies to grundle. While he can be accused of victim blaming, he never supported or defended Nazi's or even what the driver of that car did.
What he did say was insensitive and wrong.

But apparently none of this matters, since Slop101 was using a graphic that Dan pointed out is not solely in regards to Nazism/white supremacy.

But that said, I think the moderator's should do a better job of how people interact with each other here. I remember when I first joined this forum the rules were pretty plain. No profanity, no personal attacks, no generalizations, etc.
That's pretty much out the window it seems.

Like I said, grundle has already been suspended before. I don't even bother to read his stuff because too many times in the past he posts questionable articles, or misunderstands the content, all done through a partisan slant. If he's such a troublesome poster, then why is he allowed to poster here? And if h's allowed to, in the meantime shouldn't people not be allowed to make personal attacks against him?
But if it's not the case....
Perhaps it would be better to actually discuss false accusations with the actual subject rather than taking the dubious word of someone whose posting history suggests a fetish-like obsession with other posters. The bulk of your post is, IMO, an excellent summation of the problems in public discourse which are often reflected in this microcosm we know as DVDTalk.
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

Originally Posted by Psi View Post
Another victim of intolerance. Moderate Republican, not a neo-Nazi, just wants to save the Robert E. Lee statue to preserve American history. Shouldn't matter that he associated with the Daily Stormer and marched with white nationalists, right? One of the "very fine people" now driven from his home by his neighbors.

http://www.thelcn.com/lcn01/antifasc...rcher-20170817
Reminds me of the time Lt. Ripley wanted to contact members of Creekdippers' church.
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Would've been interesting to see if they agree with his shit.
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Originally Posted by Psi View Post
Another victim of intolerance. Moderate Republican, not a neo-Nazi, just wants to save the Robert E. Lee statue to preserve American history. Shouldn't matter that he associated with the Daily Stormer and marched with white nationalists, right? One of the "very fine people" now driven from his home by his neighbors.

http://www.thelcn.com/lcn01/antifasc...rcher-20170817
Yeah, once you grab a torch and march with Nazis, you don't get to say "oh no, I'm not a Nazi".
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In case you didn't know.

Thor is a chick now:

That's not homoerotic at all. What the hell is a latent 12 year old supposed to obsess over?
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...or googling

Just when I think that there's nothing dumb left for you to post, you go and TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!
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Would've been interesting to see if they agree with his shit.
No it wouldn't. It would have been despicable.
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Nah, he claims it is his church that taught him all that stuff. What would've been wrong about questioning them if all of the bigoted mindset was true?

I represent myself, he claims a church.
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

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A physically perfect chick ...

But there are a lot of people in fandom who are angry that Thor is a woman/Captain America is black/Iron Man is a black woman. Complaints about characters being reimagined from their 1930s-1960s Straight White Male default is a prominent part of comics fandom these days.
Storm should have been the new Thor. Not out of any sense of political correctness because she's an African woman, but because she's a badass, she can already conjure thunder, she's attuned to nature, and noble and righteous. If anyone in the Marvel Universe deserves to inherit the hammer, it's her.
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Storm was a thor for a time.
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