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Old 08-12-17, 07:11 PM   #3551
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

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Okay, how is that at all relevant?



Are you seriously blaming protestors for being run over by a car? Why not the person who chose to run over innocent people with his car?
It just seems weird to see two natural enemies protesting together.

I blame the driver for hitting the protesters. I blame the protestors for being in the street instead of on the sidewalk.
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Old 08-12-17, 07:12 PM   #3552
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

We teach people about "safe sex," and I agree with that.

Perhaps we should also teach people about "safe protesting," i.e., protest on the sidewalk, not in the street.
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Old 08-12-17, 07:13 PM   #3553
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

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This might sound stupid: but, is this riot still going on or did it finally disperse and we're all talking about the aftermath?
I was watching a live stream of it on youtube a few hours ago. Just checked now and couldn't find one only news outlets talking about what happen live.
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Old 08-12-17, 07:14 PM   #3554
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Old 08-12-17, 07:17 PM   #3555
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

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We teach people about "safe sex," and I agree with that.

Perhaps we should also teach people about "safe protesting," i.e., protest on the sidewalk, not in the street.
The fact that you seem more bothered about the protestors being on the street instead of the sidewalk, as opposed to being bothered that someone ran into them on purpose, is truly troubling.
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Old 08-12-17, 07:19 PM   #3556
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

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The fact that you seem more bothered about the protestors being on the street instead of the sidewalk, as opposed to being bothered that someone ran into them on purpose, is truly troubling.
No, it's fucking disgusting, is what it is.
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Old 08-12-17, 07:21 PM   #3557
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

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The fact that you seem more bothered about the protestors being on the street instead of the sidewalk, as opposed to being bothered that someone ran into them on purpose, is truly troubling.
But they would all be alive and unhurt if they had taken my advice. So I actually care about them a huge amount.

Preventing the tragedy from happening in the first place, is far better than allowing the tragedy to happen and then expressing compassion for those who are hurt.
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Old 08-12-17, 07:24 PM   #3558
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

Yeah that dude wouldn't cross the line into driving onto the sidewalk to kill protesters. If they just stayed in their lane, or heck, just stayed home, this could all have been avoided...

Sorry I forgot, don't feed the troll.
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Old 08-12-17, 07:25 PM   #3559
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

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But they would all be alive and unhurt if they had taken my advice. So I actually care about them a huge amount.
You don't know that. Someone hell-bent on injuring protesters would've just rammed the car on the sidewalk. Yes, this is a hypothetical... just as hypothetical as your claim nobody would've been hurt if they were on the sidewalk.

Do you sincerely believe the things you post or are you simply trying to stir the pot?
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Old 08-12-17, 07:25 PM   #3560
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

Who cares more?

The person who gives advice on how to avoid getting hurt and killed?

Or the person who expresses compassion for the people who get hurt and killed?
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Old 08-12-17, 07:25 PM   #3561
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

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But they would all be alive and unhurt if they had taken my advice. So I actually care about them a huge amount.

Preventing the tragedy from happening in the first place, is far better than allowing the tragedy to happen and then expressing compassion for those who are hurt.
You're really missing the bigger picture here. On the road, on the sidewalk, if that driver wanted to hit them it wouldn't have mattered where they were. Also you're blaming the victim and saying you care for them? How does it help to wag your finger and say "well you shouldn't have been in the street in the first place" like a nagging aunt?

People got hurt and people got killed because they chose to stand up against fascism. Not because they happened to be in the road when someone stepped on the gas. This wasn't an accident, and the victims are in no way at fault. And no amount of rationalization will get me to agree that you care about the victims while you blame them for being hit.

Stop the false equivalence bullshit.
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Old 08-12-17, 07:27 PM   #3562
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

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In this picture, what I see is a bunch of people standing in the street blocking traffic.

I've said before that people should do their protesting on the sidewalk, not in the street.
Cars belong in the street. Are you at least upset that the driver rammed two cars in the street?
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Old 08-12-17, 07:32 PM   #3563
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Yeah that dude wouldn't cross the line into driving onto the sidewalk to kill protesters. If they just stayed in their lane, or heck, just stayed home, this could all have been avoided...

Sorry I forgot, don't feed the troll.
The person who posted the video also said "stay home." (See the second link in Ghostbuster's quote below.)

But that doesn't mean the person who said "stay home" is blaming the victims.

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Old 08-12-17, 07:35 PM   #3564
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

Staying home is exactly what the Neo-Nazis hope their opposition will do. If you're not willing to fight fascism, then yes, stay home. But recognize that in doing so you tacitly support them, because neutrality in the face of oppression always helps the oppressors.
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Old 08-12-17, 07:36 PM   #3565
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

Do you think that driver wouldn't have hit those protestors if they had been on the sidewalk?

You're treating this like an unfortunate accident. It wasn't. And the cops are treating it as a homicide. You are wrong. .

When you try to victim blame, you diminish what happened. That makes the alt-right stronger. It's fucking pathetic.
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Old 08-12-17, 07:37 PM   #3566
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You don't know that. Someone hell-bent on injuring protesters would've just rammed the car on the sidewalk. Yes, this is a hypothetical... just as hypothetical as your claim nobody would've been hurt if they were on the sidewalk.

Do you sincerely believe the things you post or are you simply trying to stir the pot?
In this protest, none of the protestors who remained on the sidewalk were hurt or killed.

Yes, I really do believe that people would be safer if they protested on the sidewalk instead of in the street.
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Old 08-12-17, 07:38 PM   #3567
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

Info on the driver from The Washington Post:

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The car is registered to 20-year-old James Alex Fields of Ohio, according to vehicle registration records reviewed by The Washington Post. Albemarle-Charlottesville Regional Jail Superintendent Martin Kumer told The Post that a man with the same name and age was booked Saturday on suspicion of second-degree murder, malicious wounding, failure to stop for an accident involving a death, and hit and run. Kumer said Fields is being held without bail.
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Old 08-12-17, 07:39 PM   #3568
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In this protest, none of the protestors who remained on the sidewalk were hurt or killed.

Yes, I really do believe that people would be safer if they protested on the sidewalk instead of in the street.
What about the sidewalk would have protected them from a homicidal driver? The curb? Are you that naive?
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Old 08-12-17, 07:39 PM   #3569
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

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Staying home is exactly what the Neo-Nazis hope their opposition will do. If you're not willing to fight fascism, then yes, stay home. But recognize that in doing so you tacitly support them, because neutrality in the face of oppression always helps the oppressors.
I didn't say they should stay home. It was the person who posted the video who said they should stay home.

I said they should do their protesting on the sidewalk instead of in the street.
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Old 08-12-17, 07:42 PM   #3570
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

MLK should have had his crowds on the sidewalk instead of blocking Pettus Bridge.

Brimigham Protestors should have gone where the firehoses and dogs weren't.

Rape victims should have gone where the rapists weren't.

Shut the fuck up.
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

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We teach people about "safe sex," and I agree with that.

Perhaps we should also teach people about "safe protesting," i.e., protest on the sidewalk, not in the street.
Based on the best available information, the driver TARGETED the pedestrians, so their location is entirely irrelevant. As already noted by others, in Britain some terrorists have driven on the sidewalk to run over pedestrians.
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Old 08-12-17, 07:44 PM   #3572
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Cars belong in the street. Are you at least upset that the driver rammed two cars in the street?
Cars do belong in the street, but they are not supposed to ram into other cars.

I think it sucks that the driver ran into two cars that had people in them.
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Quit while your ahead grundle.
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

In Grundle's reality:

Terrorist Driver: Oh bother. None of those pesky anti-protesters have wandered from the safety of the sidewalk onto the street where I might run them over. I suppose I should just go to Wal*mart instead.
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

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Who cares more?

The person who gives advice on how to avoid getting hurt and killed?

Or the person who expresses compassion for the people who get hurt and killed?
There's really something not right about you.

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