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Old 08-08-17, 09:05 AM   #3451
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Why are some people called "snakes in the grass?" Is is because they crawl around on their bellies all day? Why are some athletes called gazelles? Is it because they bound around on the savannah all day? Why are some runners called racehorses? Swimmers called dolphins? Insomniacs called night owls?
Only one of those is an insult, and it isn't racially motivated. The one considered an insult probably originates from a fairy tale.

Again, what characteristic of an ape applies to Idi? With how much more likely meerkats are to kill one another, I know it couldn't be an ape's likely hood of murder, genocide, etc.

"Bull in a china shop" Never heard a specifically ethnicity being up set about being called a bull either.

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Give up, already.
Might as well when the "civilized" tactic continually used is nothing more than distraction.
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Old 08-08-17, 09:03 PM   #3452
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Again, what characteristic of an ape applies to Idi? With how much more likely meerkats are to kill one another, I know it couldn't be an ape's likely hood of murder, genocide, etc.
Idi fanboys might not agree, but most people would think that "rude" and "uncouth" would definitely apply. The only problem is that those terms would be far too mild.

And I know that it's out of fashion to note one's girth, but most would agree that he fit the description of a "large" person.
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See? We're not cowards anymore! Having a perfectly rational discussion about the strength of language we use to describe Idi Amin. #LoveSeeNoColor
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Old 08-08-17, 10:39 PM   #3454
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Yep, rude and uncouth are the best words to describe someone responsible for so many human rights abuses, ethnic persecutions, etc, leading up to half a million killings.
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Yep, rude and uncouth are the best words to describe someone responsible for so many human rights abuses, ethnic persecutions, etc, leading up to half a million killings.
"Unhand me, Amin, you ape!" they said, with righteousness on their side ...
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Old 08-09-17, 12:29 AM   #3456
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"Unhand me, Amin, you ape!" they said, with righteousness on their side ...
Are you implying that Amin was justified in ordering atrocities to be carried out on his own people? Or are you not merely defending his actions but also accusing his critics of treating him too harshly?

Poor, poor Idi.
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Are you implying that Amin was justified in ordering atrocities to be carried out on his own people? Or are you not merely defending his actions but also accusing his critics of treating him too harshly?

Poor, poor Idi.
Yes, to both of the above.
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Old 08-09-17, 12:42 AM   #3458
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Yep, rude and uncouth are the best words to describe someone responsible for so many human rights abuses, ethnic persecutions, etc, leading up to half a million killings.
Who said they were the "best" words to use? The only question was whether the description was fair to use...which it is.

Your comment is similar to someone complaining about a person calling Hitler a "spineless little coward" because the term isn't strong enough. He was a lot of things...including a "spineless little coward."

If someone said that he was a weasel, would you go on about how that's not the "best" term to use, or you just jump straight into defending the honor of weasels?

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Old 08-09-17, 12:47 AM   #3459
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Yes, to both of the above.
In that case, you might want to change your FB feeds.
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In that case, you might want to change your FB feeds.
The kittehs tell me Amin is OK. Who am I to argue?
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Old 08-09-17, 01:24 AM   #3461
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Old 08-09-17, 03:48 AM   #3462
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Not aware of any racial context for weasel. We are back to the origin of the use of ape as an insult. You are the king of origins with the fairy tale and all. Tell us the origin. Go back to the beginning of your posts, from there, throw out all of your attempts of distraction and focus on the origin.

I'll believe the following writer's study of it more than I ever will yours.

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Poor, poor Idi.
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Not aware of any racial context for weasel. We are back to the origin of the use of ape as an insult. You are the king of origins with the fairy tale and all. Tell us the origin. Go back to the beginning of your posts, from there, throw out all of your attempts of distraction and focus on the origin.

I'll believe the following writer's study of it more than I ever will yours.

http://theconversation.com/the-ape-i...ist-idea-14808
Sure...be glad to oblige.

The origin is in the heart and mind of anyone who can't accept the actual dictionary usage. That says quite a bit about that person and the racial lens through which he/she perceives the world.

Do you have an actual point you're trying to make, or are you just being argumentative to kill time?

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Old 08-09-17, 09:56 PM   #3466
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The dictionary is the origin of words!! The dictionary spoke it!!!

The only book that may have been edited more than the ancient Fairy tale is the dictionary. Why does the dictionary leave out the racial connotation? Ape isn't the only word it does that for.

For someone who has boasted such pride in his knowledge of language, you sure as fuck are playing dumb.

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Do you have an actual point you're trying to make, or are you just being argumentative to kill time?
Thanks for making the answer to my question abundantly clear.

I must say that you're a rare critter. Some people will argue opposing viewpoints until the cows come home, but it's unusual to find someone who insists upon arguing even with people who agree him/her.

At this point, I think it would be a more valuable use of time to wait for issues of interest to discuss. I think I see where this is going, and...not interested.
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Old 08-10-17, 07:11 AM   #3468
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Don't let me have the last word!

"Ape" could never have been used as a racial insult before Great George and Charles in 1831!
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Don't let me have the last word!

You two need to get a room...with yourself.

Word.

Peace out.

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Old 08-10-17, 07:15 AM   #3470
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Come on, don't run. Just because you don't have a self-malleable fairy tale to back you up this time doesn't mean you need to flee.
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White nationalists marching in Charlottesville tonight.



That's a good look. They forgot their hoods though.


Ain't that the fucking truth.
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Alt-right rally: Charlottesville braces for violence


Beating. Hanging. Shooting.

These are the sorts of threats that Charlottesville Vice Mayor Wes Bellamy, a 30-year-old African American, says he has received in recent weeks from far-right activists before "Unite the Right", which is expected to be one of the largest white supremacist rallies in the US' recent history.

"I've been told I'm going to be hung from a tree, that I'm going to be shot, that I'm going to be beat up," he tells Al Jazeera. "You name it, every kind of n-word - I've been called it online."

Charlottesville, an otherwise sleepy city of 46,000 in central Virginia, is bracing for an influx of hundreds of far-right activists - among them white supremacists and neo-Nazis from across the United States on Saturday to protest against the planned removal of a Confederate monument.

Although locals, anti-racist activists and anti-fascists are expected to hold a much larger counter-demonstration, Unite the Right will be attended by an array of groups: the alt-right, the Traditionalist Worker Party, the League of the South, Identity Evropa, Vanguard America, the National Socialist Movement (NSM) and the Proud Boys, among others.

The far-right groups have enlisted the Warlocks, a One Percenter motorcycle gang, for protection.

Since the city council voted in April to remove a statue of Robert E Lee, the foremost Confederate military leader during the US Civil War, far-right activists have turned Charlottesville into a nexus for protests and counterdemonstrations.

Saturday's rally will be the third of its type in Charlottesville in the last four months. Asked why the far right has focused on the city, Bellamy points to plans to remove the statue and a fund to invest millions of dollars into marginalised communities.

He adds: "I also think one of the bigger reasons is that we have a young, black vice mayor who is unapologetic in his blackness and who's been getting a lot of support."

Following a similar rally in May, a slew of anti-Semitic and racist tweets was directed at Mayor Mike Signer, who is Jewish, after he published a post condemning the event.

Although the city has mandated Unite the Right to move the protest to a different park, organiser Jason Kessler, who is a member of the ultra-nationalist Proud Boys group - who describe themselves as "Western chauvinists", told his followers on Periscope that "there is no way" the rally won't be held at Emancipation Park, where the Robert E Lee statue is located.

"[The Robert E Lee Statue] is the first and foremost reason that we're having this rally, is for that park and for that statue. It's about white genocide. It's about the replacement of our people, culturally and ethnically," he said. "And that statue is the focal point of everything."

Anticipating clashes, the city is expected to deploy police, sheriff's deputies and riot-equipped officers from the Virginia State police.

'Time to stand with communities of colour'

Unite the Right has been billed as an attempt to seek common ground between a host of far-right groups, many of which have found themselves at odds with one another in recent months.

Those expected to attend the event include far-right figures Mike Enoch, a blogger and host of the Daily Shoah podcast, and Richard Spencer, a leader in the alt-right, a coalition of far-right groups that includes white supremacists and neo-Nazis.

Before the rally, David Duke, the former Imperial Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan (KKK), called on his supporters to descend on Charlottesville.

The League of the South also urged its members to be prepared for violent confrontations with anti-fascists and the Black Lives Matter civil rights movement.

In a blog post on its website, the neo-Confederate organisation said the rally would "affirm the right of southerners and white people to organise for their own interests just like any other group is able to do, free of persecution".

Matthew Heimbach, leader of the white supremacist Traditionalist Worker Party, issued an anti-Semitic plea for supporters to join Unite the Right, calling on them to stand up to the "Jewish power structure".

"I'm inviting all nationalists and patriots to join us on August 12 in Charlottesville, Virginia, to take a stand not just for our Confederate monuments but for our European identity," he said in a video posted on YouTube, saying that white Americans "will not be replaced".

Along with Black Lives Matter, anti-racist and anti-fascist groups are expected to hold much larger counterdemonstrations.

"We invite you to choose to believe in the fight for justice and the solidarity of community," Black Lives Matter said in a statement. "We invite you to take part and together face this consolidation of hate groups, and the risk of police use of excessive force, with nonviolent direct action."

Citing expectations of violence, Teresa Sullivan, the president of Charlottesville's University of Virginia, has urged students not to attend the counterprotest, according to local media reports. "There is a credible risk of violence at this event, and your safety is my foremost concern," she said.


But local activist Emily Gorcenski says it is important for people to show up and voice their opposition to Saturday's rally.

"It's time that people who live here and enjoy the wonderful community, that we recognise the contributions of people of colour in the community and the traumas that were inflicted on them in the past," she told Al Jazeera, adding that the event could "mark a turning point not just in local but national politics".

'Free speech as a smokescreen'

In recent months, Confederate monuments like the statue in Charlottesville have become key venues for the alt-right and other far-rightists.

In May, alt-right leader Richard Spencer led a rally of torch-wielding far-right activists at the monument, although several hundred counterprotesters outnumbered them.

Last month, more than 1,000 counterdemonstrators outnumbered the KKK - a white supremacist group that has a lengthy history of lynching African Americans - as they protested against the statue's removal.

After the KKK members departed, police clashed with counterprotesters, arresting 23 of them.

Gorcenski, who has also received a slew of violent threats online, argues that Confederate monuments were "installed to impress fear among communities of colour".

"There is [a] question [of] how legit we will allow this alt-right movement to get," she adds, dismissing Unite the Right organisers' claims that their rally has been called to voice support for freedom of speech.

"They use free speech as a smokescreen to pass on their bigotry, and they don't show up defending the free speech of black, queer or trans activists," Gorcenski explains.

"We are not opposed to their free speech; we are opposed to their bigotry and their violence."

'Equity not equality'

Todd Moye, a history professor at the University of North Texas, dismisses the argument that preserving Confederate monuments is a historical necessity.

"The people who erected the Confederate monuments in the first place had a very specific goal in mind: To assert that the South was white man's country, and that it remained so even after their armies lost the civil war," he told Al Jazeera.


A nationwide debate over Confederate monuments and the Confederate battle flag erupted in 2015 after white supremacist Dylann Roof murdered nine African Americans in the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, South Carolina.

"When Dylann Roof martyred the Charleston Nine, he ripped the sheet off the Confederate fetishists," Moye explained. "He told us something we already knew: this fetish is, and always has been, about white supremacy."

The election of right-wing President Donald Trump has energised the far right, with hate crimes and bias incidents soaring in the aftermath of the vote.

In the 10 days following Trump's victory, the Southern Poverty Law Center monitor recorded an average of 87 hate incidents a day, or some five times the daily average recorded by the FBI in 2015.

Saturday's rally comes as clashes between far rightists and their opponents increase in both frequency and intensity.

On August 6, violent clashes broke out between anti-fascists and alt-rightists in Portland, Oregon, as the former confronted a rally organised by the local far-right group, Patriot Prayer.

In Berkeley, California, Trump supporters and alt-right protesters clashed with anti-fascists on April 15, using makeshift shields, sticks, batons, pepper-spray and other weapons

In February, anti-fascist activists shut down a speech by right-wing provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos at the University of California - Berkeley when they set fires and hurled rocks at the building where he was scheduled to speak.

Back in Charlottesville, Vice Mayor Wes Bellamy hopes the uptick in activism will translate into a long-term commitment to fighting racism. "I hope that on August 13, people will be ready to go and do the work in the community," he concluded.

"I believe in equity, not equality. Personally, I'm going to push for equity until the day I die … and we're going to look to remove these symbols of hate from the middle of our city."
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/fea...073156023.html

In an ideal world, there would be 5000 counter-protesters facing 500 racists, they'd self-police to prevent violence and property damage, and they would take a page from the Tea Party rallies and leave the park cleaner than when they arrived. They should show themselves better than the white nationalists in every way.

That the white nationalists are using the Warlocks motorcycle gang for security tells me that they want to provoke violence, because hired a group that is expert at it.

I'm afraid that the Antifa blackshirts will take them up on it. Then the narrative will be that there isn't a difference between the two groups.
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And the President is silent. Because he knows that every one of those white supremacists who voted voted for him.

I'm surprised he didn't take the opportunity to speak at their rally.
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This twitter thread right here:
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Imagine if these people ever faced actual oppression.
Nobody is trying to legislate away their right to marry.
Nobody is trying to make them buy insurance to pay for 'male health care.'
The law never

Enslaved their great-grandparents
Robbed their grandparents
Imprisoned their parents
Shot them when unarmed
There is no massive effort at the state and local level to disenfranchise them of the vote.
There is no history of centuries of bad science devoted to 'proving' their intellectual inferiority.
There is no travel ban on them because of their religion.
There is no danger for them when they carry dangerous weaponry publicly.
Their churches were never burned.
Their lawns never decorated with burning crosses
Their ancestors never hung from trees
Their mothers aren't being torn away by ICE troopers and sent away forever. They won't be forced to leave the only country they ever knew.
The president has not set up a hotline to report crime committed at their hands.
They are chanting 'we will not be replaced.'

Replaced as ... what?

I'll tell you.
Replaced as the only voice in public discussions.
Replaced as the only bodies in the public arena.
Replaced as the only life that matters.

THIS is 'white people' oppression:

We used to be the only voice. Now we hold the only microphone.

THIS is 'white man' oppression.

We face criticism now. We were free from it, because others feared the consequences.

THIS is 'oppression' of white Christians in this country.

Christmas used to be the only holiday acknowledged, now it's not.

I would so love to see these people get all the oppression they insist they receive, just for a year. Just to see.
Give them a world where you ACTUALLY can't say Christmas.

A world where the name "Geoff" on a resume puts it in the trash.
Give them a world where they suddenly get a 20% pay cut, and then 70 women every day tell them to smile more.
Give them a world where their polo shirt makes people nervous, so they're kicked off the flight from Pittsburgh to Indianapolis.
Give them a world where they inherited nothing but a very real understanding of what oppression really fucking is.
Give them a world where if they pulled up on a campus with torches lit and started throwing hands, the cops would punch their eyes out.
Put THAT in your Tiki torches and light it, you sorry Nazi bitches.

Good morning, by the way, how is everybody.
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Wow, it got real quiet in here. Even the usual devil's advocates aren't here to sort of defend this shit.
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