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Old 08-15-14, 02:07 AM   #101
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Re: 18 year old Michael Brown shot by police in Ferguson, Mo., & ensuing civil unrest

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I'll let the entire black community know that some white guy on the internet disapproves of .0000000001% of them looting.
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Old 08-15-14, 06:18 AM   #102
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Old 08-15-14, 08:32 AM   #103
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So, you want every LE Officer in the US to wear a camera that records video for the officer's entire shift, recording everything they see in the public.
I see nothing wrong with that. About half of all jobs in this country monitor their employees through video surveillance. Banks, retail, post offices, etc.....

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Oh please. It would protect BOTH the citizens and Police.

As a Black Male I want EVERY CONTACT I HAVE WITH COPS RECORDED. This way there is less doubt about what went down. The Cop is safe and im safe.

There should also be penalties for cops who turn off their cams during traffic stops and contact with the public.
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Old 08-15-14, 08:51 AM   #104
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The amount of bending over backwards going on to protect LE from transparency is embarrassingly astounding
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Old 08-15-14, 08:54 AM   #105
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Unbelievable, this was on a police website:

http://boingboing.net/2014/08/13/dor...ms-online.html
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Old 08-15-14, 09:01 AM   #106
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So, you want every LE Officer in the US to wear a camera that records video for the officer's entire shift, recording everything they see in the public.

Yeah, that's a wonderful idea. You wanna talk about privacy rights, you just got slimed with it.
I'm not a huge fan of a surveillance state, with cameras on every street corner recording 24/7. But if police wore a small go-pro style camera as a part of their uniform, those cameras would only be recording what the cops see anyway.

If the cameras are on the cops and you don't want to be recorded, don't go near cops. If the cameras are hidden and all around us all the time, there's no chance to avoid them if you want some privacy.


Also, when cops have cameras, they say that complaints against cops drops significantly. I wonder if that's because cops act differently when they know they're being recorded, or if people know they can't lie about cops behavior.

If cops had cameras but the public didn't know about it, how often would people's complaints be proven false? If the people thought the cops had cameras, but they weren't recording anything, would there still be complaints?

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Old 08-15-14, 09:02 AM   #107
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exactly. until we stop ascribing the actions of some black people to all black people, we'll continue to live in the racist cesspool in which we live.

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Old 08-15-14, 09:05 AM   #108
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They released the name of the officer: Darren Wilson
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Old 08-15-14, 09:09 AM   #109
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I wonder what kind of federal protection he's under.
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Old 08-15-14, 09:14 AM   #110
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Unbelievable, this was on a police website:

http://boingboing.net/2014/08/13/dor...ms-online.html
Disgusting, whoever edited that video completely botched the audio because it's severely distorted.


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Also, when cops have cameras, they say that complaints against cops drops significantly. I wonder if that's because cops act differently when they know they're being recorded, or if people know they can't lie about cops behavior.
Either way that'd be a win-win for everybody!
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Old 08-15-14, 09:18 AM   #111
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Also, when cops have cameras, they say that complaints against cops drops significantly. I wonder if that's because cops act differently when they know they're being recorded, or if people know they can't lie about cops behavior.
That doesn't surprise me. I would think it's probably a matter of both. For the police that aren't always honest, it would keep them in check because they know they are being taped and can't do anything they shouldn't. For the citizen, they see they are being recorded so they can't make up a story where a police officer beat them or did something they shouldn't have. So, as DaveyJoe said, its a win-win.

With storage getting larger and smaller size of the physical media, I wouldn't be surprised to find that a camera that the police wear can record a whole shift. And I also agree that the officer should face discipline up to termination if they repeatedly turn off or obscure their camera should something like this be instituted.

It kind of sucks that it has to come to this, but there are people on both sides that are ruining it for everyone else.

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Old 08-15-14, 09:21 AM   #112
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So, as someone else said its a win-win.
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Old 08-15-14, 09:25 AM   #113
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As for the story... with releasing the officer's name, does this give any indication that the officer may be facing criminal charges coming down the road?
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Old 08-15-14, 09:29 AM   #114
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As for the story... with releasing the officer's name, does this give any indication that the officer may be facing criminal charges coming down the road?
Probably, cops are normally held accountable for their actions.
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Old 08-15-14, 09:31 AM   #115
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I wonder what kind of federal protection he's under.
Plus his family.
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Old 08-15-14, 09:36 AM   #116
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My biggest worry about cameras on cops is that it could make cops lazy. They could be tempted to record first, then act later.

Ideally, these recordings would be saved on a secure drive & auto-deleted every 30 days (or 60 or 15 or whatever). Only pull the video from the vault if there's a complaint about an interaction with an officer. If no complaint is logged in the time between the shift and the auto-delete, that video is gone. If someone waits to complain about bad cop behavior 31 days later, too bad for them.
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I would only be OK with officers wearing the cameras if there was an agreement that a judge has to decide if it ever becomes public or admissible in court. Otherwise everyone will immediately demand the tape gets released to the court of public opinion so the world can determine the officer's guilt and it will be ridiculously out of control and I think just make everything worse. I also think it would lead to people getting off on small technicalities. There's already an expectation that police should be 100% perfect - but I do believe they are human as well and occasionally make mistakes. So as long as that's all considered.. I'm not against the idea of them wearing a camera to film these things at all. It also does serve to protect them from false claims.

As Canis Firebrand said.. someone else said it's a Win-Win.
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http://www.chron.com/news/crime/arti...on-5690307.php


http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014...fore-shooting/


I do not know if all of this true, but if so this seems to be a little bid different story than just walking on the sidewalk.
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I don't believe any of those links. His mom said he was a "good kid" so that must be someone else.
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Old 08-15-14, 10:12 AM   #121
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That certainly changes things. I wish the black community would rally around true injustices. There was a local incident here months ago that would have been much better to rally around and I would have been a big supporter.
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http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014...fore-shooting/


I do not know if all of this true, but if so this seems to be a little bid different story than just walking on the sidewalk.
Oh, well then he totally had it coming. Cops should be able to gun down shoplifters with impunity.
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Old 08-15-14, 10:18 AM   #123
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I would still consider shooting an unarmed cigar-thief to be an injustice, but that's just me.
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Oh, well then he totally had it coming. Cops should be able to gun down shoplifters with impunity.


Yes that is exactly what I was saying.
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Old 08-15-14, 10:22 AM   #125
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It explains why the officer approached and questioned them at least, no one is saying he deserved to die for stealing. Obviously we still need to see how the rest played out... if there was a struggle, etc. It's why you just can't rush to judgement on these things... or start rioting and looting.
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