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Old 08-14-14, 11:04 AM   #51
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Pretty much every media report describes Brown as an "unarmed teen." The police officer said Brown pushed him back into his vehicle and tried to grab his gun. Whether or not that actually happened may be up for debate, but I don't know if someone who technically doesn't have a gun in their hand, but is actively trying to grab one really can be described as "unarmed." Again, maybe the cop was full of shit, but unless that's been proven to be a lie, I don't think it's fair to omit that from the story.
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The media.

Some reports that the FAA has that area as a no fly zone.

http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_4_2599.html

Also Anonymous released the name of the St. Louis county Chief of Police, his Wife and children and their home address

And they are threatening to release the names of every Police officer in the town and family member and their home addresses

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014...-police-chief/



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The media doesn't give you orders that violate your civil rights, police do.
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It's not only the police that come out looking stupid. Why did the guy have to be a dick when asked for ID? The cops are working long hours in life threatening riots and they are trying to protect other peoples property and they ask for an ID. I don't think that's unreasonable. But those reporters don't want to defuse the riots. The media wants to fan the flames.
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Then you have the poor rioters who are destroying other peoples stores to show support to the kid who was killed. This whole thing is a mess that will probably fuck up that city for years to come.
You make it sound like this is some one-off incident and not the latest installment in a long-running pattern of abuse that has already ruined the community.

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Pretty much every media report describes Brown as an "unarmed teen." The police officer said Brown pushed him back into his vehicle and tried to grab his gun. Whether or not that actually happened may be up for debate, but I don't know if someone who technically doesn't have a gun in their hand, but is actively trying to grab one really can be described as "unarmed." Again, maybe the cop was full of shit, but unless that's been proven to be a lie, I don't think it's fair to omit that from the story.
Is there any source for that claim that isn't the police?
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I heard the SWAT teams just tear gassed the press. When the press ran away, the police destroyed their camera equipment.
Dismantled, not destroyed.

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Pretty much every media report describes Brown as an "unarmed teen." The police officer said Brown pushed him back into his vehicle and tried to grab his gun. Whether or not that actually happened may be up for debate, but I don't know if someone who technically doesn't have a gun in their hand, but is actively trying to grab one really can be described as "unarmed." Again, maybe the cop was full of shit, but unless that's been proven to be a lie, I don't think it's fair to omit that from the story.
Nearly every report I see says that the police say he was grabbing from the gun. Apparently he was also shot at a distance of 35 feet or so away from the cop, so it'll be interesting to get the official details about what happened as "struggled for the gun and I had to shoot him even though he was running away" seems pretty sketchy at this point.
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Any thoughts or opinions on making the situation in Ferguson its own thread? Good? Bad?
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Re: The "Cops Behaving Badly" Thread

I think it's a significant enough situation to warrant a separate thread. It appears there will be a lot of discussion about it.
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The media doesn't give you orders that violate your civil rights, police do.
I think the media is just as dangerous and just as manipulative.
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I think the media is just as dangerous and just as manipulative.
I don't necessarily disagree, but that's a subtle brainwashing that people have to actually participate in. With the internet there's no excuse, people have access to a wealth of information, but so many just want to hear what they all ready believe. With the police, you can either do what they tell you, regardless of your civil rights, or you can resist them and risk physical abuse, tasing, wrongful imprisonment, or worse. The media isn't going to kick down your door and shoot your dog because they got a bad tip. The media certainly has its issues, and they're just after ratings, but I'm glad they're out there trying to document the police in situations like this, to hopefully keep them in check and hold them accountable.
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I don't necessarily disagree, but that's a subtle brainwashing that people have to actually participate in. With the internet there's no excuse, people have access to a wealth of information, but so many just want to hear what they all ready believe. With the police, you can either do what they tell you, regardless of your civil rights, or you can resist them and risk physical abuse, tasing, wrongful imprisonment, or worse. The media isn't going to kick down your door and shoot your dog because they got a bad tip. The media certainly has its issues, and they're just after ratings, but I'm glad they're out there trying to document the police in situations like this, to hopefully keep them in check and hold them accountable.
What about the rioters? Should they also not be held accountable? It is some achievement to get your city proclaimed a no fly zone by the FAA. That was not the polices doing. Maybe it's time for some neighborhoods to be abandoned by the police. Is it bad there because of the way the cops are or are the cops the way they are because of how the city is? I think there is plenty to be shared by all involved.
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What about the rioters? Should they also not be held accountable? It is some achievement to get your city proclaimed a no fly zone by the FAA. That was not the polices doing. Maybe it's time for some neighborhoods to be abandoned by the police. Is it bad there because of the way the cops are or are the cops the way they are because of how the city is? I think there is plenty to be shared by all involved.
I don't approve of looting or property destruction, but civil unrest has been building for sometime now. Changes need to be made. Complacency is what got us to where we are today.
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Re: 18 year old Michael Brown shot by police in Ferguson, Mo., & ensuing civil unrest

I wonder when the UN will get involved?
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Re: 18 year old Michael Brown shot by police in Ferguson, Mo., & ensuing civil unrest

Sometimes Unfortunate Things Happen In The Heat Of A 400-Year-Old Legacy Of Racism

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As anyone in law enforcement knows, upholding the peace often comes down to making tough, split-second decisions. A police officer must assess his options quickly, especially when faced with resistance from potentially dangerous individuals. But try as we might, bad things sometimes happen in the heat of a 400-year-old legacy of racism.

It’s a situation every officer of the law will inevitably face: tensions escalate during questioning or an arrest when, suddenly, in the commotion of four centuries of bias against racial minorities in the United States, the situation takes a violent turn. When emotions run high, it just takes two seconds following dozens of generations of systemic social, economic, and political discrimination toward non-whites—particularly African-Americans—for things to get way out of hand.

Our officers here in Ferguson know that as well as anyone.

You don’t want violence, of course—no one does. But sometimes when you’re out there, in the middle of longstanding policies denying minority men and women the most basic human rights, you must take decisive measures. We train our officers to behave professionally and respectfully toward the communities that they serve. But no matter how much training and experience they may have, they are human beings who, in the bedlam of decade upon decade of racist enculturation and deeply institutionalized systems of inequality, may be involved in a tragic situation.

But it’s important to remember that for members of law enforcement, it’s life or death out there. Without any warning, an officer of the law can find himself in the mayhem of formal and de facto segregationist policies such as mortgage discrimination and redlining that made it impossible for people in the most dangerous neighborhoods to live anywhere else. One minute you’re pulling up beside a couple of teenagers walking down the street, and the next minute you’re face-to-face with racial disparity that dates back to the 17th century and undergirds our culture to this very moment.

Every person who has put on the uniform has been there. Out of nowhere, you’re confronted with the enduring shadow of slavery and Jim Crow—boom!—just like that, and you simply react.

So at the end of the day, keep in mind that police officers are doing the best they can, even when unfortunate incidents occur. When you’re suddenly in the middle of an inhuman situation that’s repeated itself over and over and over for 400 years, you have to act fast.

Sadly, sometimes you just don’t have a choice.
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Old 08-14-14, 12:29 PM   #65
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Governor orders local police to stand down:

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Missouri Governor Jay Nixon will announce that St. Louis County law enforcement will be relieved of duty in Ferguson, which has been roiled by protests after the shooting death by police of an unarmed teenager, according to Representative William Lacy Clay.

“The governor just called me, and he’s on his way to St. Louis now to announce he’s taking away St. Louis County police out of the situation,” Clay, a Missouri Democrat, said in a telephone interview. He added that Nixon may ask the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation to step in.

Clay said that he has been urging U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder to “take over the entire situation because we will not get justice for Michael Brown and his family and friends if the St. Louis County police and prosecutor have a say.”
Of course I doubt this would've happened if Chief Wiggum hadn't started arresting reporters.
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Re: 18 year old Michael Brown shot by police in Ferguson, Mo., & ensuing civil unrest

Every single move they have made since the shooting has been wrong.
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Ferguson police cars don't have cameras. HOW CONVENIENT. But they go and buy up military gear.

So now it's the officer's word vs other witnesses'.

How many shots were fired?
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I'm betting no one is more relieved than the rank-and-file Ferguson PD officers.
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...But they go and buy up military gear.
Problem is that they pretty much get all that shit for free.
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Is there any source for that claim that isn't the police?
I don't know. But unless it's been debunked, I don't think it needs to be omitted from the narrative.
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Until we hear some facts, there will be two narratives. One of them will be wrong.
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But I'd rather hear two now, then discard the wrong story than for the media to pick the narrative that sells more papers.
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Until we hear some facts, there will be two narratives. One of them will be wrong.
or both of them.
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Pretty much every media report describes Brown as an "unarmed teen." The police officer said Brown pushed him back into his vehicle and tried to grab his gun. Whether or not that actually happened may be up for debate, but I don't know if someone who technically doesn't have a gun in their hand, but is actively trying to grab one really can be described as "unarmed." Again, maybe the cop was full of shit, but unless that's been proven to be a lie, I don't think it's fair to omit that from the story.
The investigation will eventually show at what distance he was shot from....that should help support or not support various accounts.
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