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Old 04-17-14, 08:42 AM
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Re: Anyone Following this Bundy Ranch situation?

Originally Posted by PerryD View Post
Does the government really need to own so much land though?
Is there a buyer? This Bundy fool isn't looking to buy any land. He's looking to exploit free land for personal gain.

Originally Posted by BKenn01 View Post
Property rights..... we have no property rights in this country except what the govt. decides they want you to have. If you think you have any try developing your property if they decide its wetland or there is some alleged endangered species on your land or a the local level try building a garage without a permit....property rights nope.....
Why would you build a garage without a permit? That's just being a douche. Permits are in place for the safety of the property owner and neighbors. That's all I need is some yahoo erecting structures without inspections near my family.
Old 04-17-14, 09:03 AM
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The best response I ever saw to someone who opposes building permits and design guidelines was on a local messageboard a few years ago. Some guy was going on and on about how people should be able to build whatever they want, anywhere, and got a response stating the hope that someone buys the house next to him and then erects in their front yard a 60' pink penis that shoots flaming gasoline out of the tip.
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Originally Posted by Supermallet View Post
Don't worry, the government isn't coming after your collection of tinfoil hats.
I just happen to believe the Govt has to much power and abuses it on a regular basis.
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Re: Anyone Following this Bundy Ranch situation?

I also believe that the government has too much power, but you have to learn how to pick your battles.


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Re: Anyone Following this Bundy Ranch situation?

Originally Posted by BKenn01 View Post
I just happen to believe the Govt has to much power and abuses it on a regular basis.
Yes it does. That doesn't mean this bozo has a point in this particular case.
Old 04-17-14, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by grundle View Post
From what I know about this, it seems to me that the guy is trespassing.

That being said, I think it's excessive for the federal government to use more than 200 armed agents to handle the guy.


More examples of the government going way overboard in response to this trespassing farmer:


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...anch-standoff/

Feds accused of leaving trail of wreckage after Nevada ranch standoff

April 16, 2014

The federal agency that backed down over the weekend in a tense standoff with a Nevada rancher is being accused of leaving a trail of wreckage behind.

Fox News toured the damage -- allegedly caused by the Bureau of Land Management -- which included holes in water tanks and destroyed water lines and fences. According to family friends, the bureau's hired "cowboys" also killed two prize bulls.

"They had total control of this land for one week, and look at the destruction they did in one week," said Corey Houston, friend of rancher Cliven Bundy and his family. "So why would you trust somebody like that? And how does that show that they're a better steward?"

The BLM and other law enforcement officials backed down on Saturday in their effort to seize Bundy's cattle, after hundreds of protesters, some armed, arrived to show support for the Bundy family. In the end, BLM officials left the scene amid concerns about safety, and no shots were fired.

The dispute between the feds and the Bundy family has been going on for years; they say he owes more than $1.1 million in unpaid grazing fees -- and long ago revoked his grazing rights over concern for a federally protected tortoise. They sent officials to round up his livestock following a pair of federal court orders last year giving the U.S. government the authority to impound the cattle.

The feds, though, are being accused of taking the court orders way too far.

On a Friday night conference call, BLM officials told reporters that "illegal structures" on Bundy's ranch -- water tanks, water lines and corrals -- had to be removed to "restore" the land to its natural state and prevent the rancher from restarting his illegal cattle operation.

However, the court order used to justify the operation appears only to give the agency the authority to "seize and impound" Bundy's cattle.

"Nowhere in the court order that I saw does it say that they can destroy infrastructure, destroy corrals, tanks ... desert environment, shoot cattle," Houston said.

Bundy's friends say the BLM wranglers told them the bulls were shot because they were dangerous and could gore their horses. One bull was shot five times.

But Houston said the pen holding the bull wasn't even bent. "It's not like the bull was smashing this pen and trying tackle people or anything," he said. "The pen is sitting here. It hasn't moved. No damage whatsoever. Where was the danger with that bull?"


Plus he said BLM vehicles appear to have crushed a tortoise burrow near the damaged water tank. "How's that conservation?" he asked.

The BLM has not yet responded to a request for comment on these allegations.

Bundy has refused to pay the grazing fees or remove his cattle, and doesn't even acknowledge the federal government's authority to assess or collect damages.

The bureau has said if Bundy wasn't willing to pay, then they would sell his cattle.

However, there was a problem with that plan -- few in Nevada would touch Bundy's cattle for fear of being blacklisted.

"The sale yards are very nervous about taking what in the past has been basically stolen cattle from the federal government," Nevada Agriculture Commissioner Ramona Morrison said.

Documents show the BLM paid a Utah cattle wrangler $966,000 to collect Bundy's cattle and a Utah auctioneer to sell them. However, Utah Gov. Gary Herbert refused to let Bundy cattle cross state lines, saying in a letter: "As Governor of Utah, I urgently request that a herd of cattle seized by the Bureau of Land Management from Mr. Cliven Bundy of Bunkerville, Nevada, not be sent to Utah. There are serious concerns about human safety and animal health and well-being, if these animals are shipped to and sold in Utah."

That letter was sent three days before the BLM round-up, which is why the cattle were still being held Saturday in temporary pens just a few miles from Bundy's ranch. Morrison says BLM was sitting on cattle because it had no way to get rid of them -- setting up a potential tragedy as orphaned calves were not getting any milk and feed costs were about to skyrocket.

The showdown is far from over. The BLM says it will "continue to work to resolve the matter administratively and judicially," though Bundy still doesn't recognize federal authority over the federal lands that he continues to use in violation of a court order. The federal judge who issued that decision says Bundy's claims "are without merit."

That order from October 2013 says Bundy owes $200 per day per head for every day he fails to move his cattle. That amounts to roughly $640 million in damages owed to the federal government for illegally grazing his cattle.
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TRANSLATION: The Federal Government has WAY too much power... unless MY guy is in charge. Then send the Feds in to investigate all dissenters.

Because if a black guy was scamming welfare for 20 years and the Feds cracked down on him, I'm sure InfoWars would be screaming bloody murder.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Salty View Post
I would like to point out that the relatives of Native Americans are also known as Native Americans.
I would like to point out that American Indians *despise* being called "Native Americans".
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Re: Anyone Following this Bundy Ranch situation?

What terminology do they prefer?
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Originally Posted by CRM114 View Post
Permits are in place for the safety of the property owner and neighbors.
And to grease hands because they sure ain't free.
Old 04-17-14, 03:52 PM
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Re: Anyone Following this Bundy Ranch situation?

Originally Posted by inri222 View Post
And to grease hands because they sure ain't free.
No, not our wonderful government .. they are a major force of good in our society. Go Government!
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How about "Firstlanders"? I'm going to make that a thing.
Old 04-17-14, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Supermallet View Post
What terminology do they prefer?
If not the tribal name, then simply "American Indians" will do nicely. They generally loathe "Native American" as a feelgood phrase originated by palefaces
Old 04-17-14, 07:20 PM
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Re: Anyone Following this Bundy Ranch situation?

That damn Joe Mondragon. Who does he think he is stealing water to irrigate his beanfield....

Wait, what?

ps. Hokeyboy Johnson is right!
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Originally Posted by Hokeyboy View Post
If not the tribal name, then simply "American Indians" will do nicely. They generally loathe "Native American" as a feelgood phrase originated by palefaces
But there is an actual subcontinent of India. Goddamit.
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Yes, they generally use the term "Indian". I grew up near a Mohawk reservation, and played minor hockey and lacrosse against a team with Mohawk kids when I was growing up. Not to get into any cultural stereotypes, but unlike the white kids, I don't think I ever saw a Mohawk kid cry if he got hurt.
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I knew one Blortorp growing up and he liked to be called a Blorptorp, so based on my experience, I'm going to extrapolate and say all of you calling him and people like him "Native Americans" or "American Indians" are racist fucks.

A 1995 Census Bureau Survey of preferences for racial and ethnic terminology (there is no more recent survey) indicated that 49% of Native people preferred being called American Indian, 37% preferred Native American, 3.6% preferred "some other term," and 5% had no preference. As The American Heritage Guide to English Usage points out, "the issue has never been particularly divisive between Indians and non-Indians. While generally welcoming the respectful tone of Native American, Indian writers have continued to use the older name at least as often as the newer one."

As Christina Berry, a Cherokee writer and producer of the website All Things Cherokee, counsels:

In the end, the term you choose to use (as an Indian or non-Indian) is your own personal choice. Very few Indians that I know care either way. The recommended method is to refer to a person by their tribe, if that information is known. The reason is that the Native peoples of North America are incredibly diverse. It would be like referring both a Romanian and an Irishman as European. . . . [W]henever possible an Indian would prefer to be called a Cherokee or a Lakota or whichever tribe they belong to. This shows respect because not only are you sensitive to the fact that the terms Indian, American Indian, and Native American are an over simplification of a diverse ethnicity, but you also show that you listened when they told what tribe they belonged to.

When you don't know the specific tribe simply use the term which you are most comfortable using. The worst that can happen is that someone might correct you and open the door for a thoughtful debate on the subject of political correctness and its impact on ethnic identity. What matters in the long run is not which term is used but the intention with which it is used.
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Not for nothing but man I love the term "wampum".
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Originally Posted by Ky-Fi View Post
Yes, they generally use the term "Indian". I grew up near a Mohawk reservation, and played minor hockey and lacrosse against a team with Mohawk kids when I was growing up. Not to get into any cultural stereotypes, but unlike the white kids, I don't think I ever saw a Mohawk kid cry if he got hurt.
The Mohawk kids were probably drunk.

Not to get into stereotypes, of course.

Spoiler:
I got Indian blood in me, so I can say that.
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Originally Posted by Sean O'Hara View Post
This shows how much of a wimp Obama is. Bush I would've had snipers shoot the guy's wife while she was holding a baby.
Obama would have Drone'd him....since that is how he rolls.
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He is a self-professed "Democrat".
I am a Democrat - not a Socialist Democrat such as yourself.
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Looks like the conservative politicians that were so supportive of him are starting to distance themselves.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5204821.html
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Cliven Bundy, reminiscing this weekend on that one time he drove past a housing project in New York City:

"I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro," Bundy said, "and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids – and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch – they didn't have nothing to do. They didn't have nothing for their kids to do. They didn't have nothing for their young girls to do.

"And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?" Bundy continued. "They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I've often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn't get no more freedom. They got less freedom."
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...acist-remarks/
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But... but you mean while he was surrounded by all those armed white militia dudes from Montana, there may have been a racist or two in the pack?
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Yeah he will lose tons of supporters now...



lol no

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