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Old 02-20-14, 02:57 PM   #501
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So Jews are going to heaven (assuming they do what they need to do in Judaism to reach heaven)? It's the same heaven, in other words.
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Not going to touch that one. But yeah, it's the same heaven.
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I say exactly what it says. I'm not interpreting anything. The bible says what it says. Unless there can be more than one way to interpret what Jesus said when he said you can't get into Heaven unless you believe He was the son of GOD and follow him.....
So this is what I thought. I didn't think you thought Jews (who actually believe in Judaism) went to heaven. Only if they're "Jews for Jesus." Jews who stay Jews (the overwhelming vast majority) are out.
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Old 02-20-14, 02:57 PM   #502
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What idols do Catholics worship?
Well, they kiss where they think that Jesus was born. They kiss the little catholic cracker. They worship Mary.....
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Still waiting for you to prove your point....
No you're not. The Point has been proven. You choose to ignore proof and go with made up shit.
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Old 02-20-14, 02:59 PM   #504
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And, my points stand, if God could change the rules, God would be imperfect, if God IS the rules, because perfection is universal and eternal, there would be nothing that could change.
Your points do not stand. GOD can change the rules if he wants to, but he doesn't. How does that make him imperfect ?
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Well, they kiss where they think that Jesus was born. They kiss the little catholic cracker. They worship Mary.....
You clearly don't understand Catholicism.
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So if you fail to follow any commandment you're not a Christian? So anyone who covets is not a Christian either? How about kids who disobey their parents, they can't be Christian either? You're saying that sinners can't be Christian. Well, I guess that leaves...no one. There are no Christians. No real ones, anyway.
Who said Christians were perfect ? You just try your best to follow the rules. Of course, you're going to fail every now and then. You wouldn't be a Christian if you quit trying to be better than you are right now.
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Well, they kiss where they think that Jesus was born. They kiss the little catholic cracker. They worship Mary.....
Nope. You have very little understanding of the Catholic faith.
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Old 02-20-14, 03:02 PM   #508
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You clearly don't understand Catholicism.
No, it's just that Catholicism is what Spottie says it is.

I vehemently disagree with Catholicism but I find it far more intellectually respectable than Protestant fundamentalism.
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Your points do not stand. GOD can change the rules if he wants to, but he doesn't. How does that make him imperfect ?
Yes, they do. Like most things, you just don't get it. A perfect being CANNOT CHANGE, it is perfect, if it COULD CHANGE, it would change to something OTHER THAN PERFECTION.
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Well, they kiss where they think that Jesus was born. They kiss the little catholic cracker. They worship Mary.....
Condescending of other religions and arrogant as all heck of his own. Surprised?
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Can we all just agree to ignore spottedfeather? He really drags down any thread he posts in.
This doesn't seem to be working out so well.
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Same thing with the gays. *shrug*

The point is, we could argue interpretation of the bible all day, and neither you nor I are experts. People who make this their life work don't agree on interpretation. So don't think you have everything right and no one else could possibly have a different, but correct, view.
Yet again, I don't interpret anything. If the bible says that you can't cheat on your wife, I don't see how you could see that any other way than, if you're married, not to bone someone other than the person you're married to.
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Your points do not stand. GOD can change the rules if he wants to, but he doesn't. How does that make him imperfect ?
You yourself have said that god changed the rules in the past when discussing the flood. Do you not remember this?
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AND...it is not worshipping idols and fits Christian beliefs from their perspective(s).

The same way hating on gay people fits yours. One is a lot more damaging than the other (to people, to the teachings of Jesus, etc.), you figure out which is which...
I don't hate on gay people.
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This doesn't seem to be working out so well.
Even I'm guilty of it. Shit.
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So this is what I thought. I didn't think you thought Jews (who actually believe in Judaism) went to heaven. Only if they're "Jews for Jesus." Jews who stay Jews (the overwhelming vast majority) are out.
I was just using jews as an example. To get into Heaven, you have to believe in Jesus. Simple.
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You clearly don't understand Catholicism.
So, what I said doesn't happen ?
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Yes, they do. Like most things, you just don't get it. A perfect being CANNOT CHANGE, it is perfect, if it COULD CHANGE, it would change to something OTHER THAN PERFECTION.
I agree with everything you just said. GOD is perfect. He can do whatever he wants. If He wanted to switch things around so that water was where the sky is, He could do it. But He doesn't. Once GOD sets things in motion, they stay that way. As I said, the rules are the rules and they don't change. If GOD couldn't do something, then He'd be imperfect.

The key word here is "being." GOD isn't a being. He's GOD. He's different than anything else in the universe. Special. Like He said, He Is.
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So, what I said doesn't happen ?
Catholics do not worship symbols, or Mary or any of the Saints. They pray to Mary as the mother of Jesus asking for her to intercede for them, but they do not worship her as a deity, they worship the same Trinity that you worship.
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I don't hate on gay people.
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You yourself have said that god changed the rules in the past when discussing the flood. Do you not remember this?
What's the quote ?
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So you admit the possibility of an invisible Leprechaun living inside Groucho's hat. You simply don't have reason to believe it. Well let me tell you that the invisible Leprechaun has revealed himself to me personally - I had a vision of him, and the headache I had departed immediately. Plus, 500 people have witness his revelation, and they speak the truth, so you can believe them. I also believe Groucho is writing a book that is dictated by the Leprechaun, it is his direct word, so you have to believe that.
Well first you have to get past the strong suggestion that you are just making this shit up to prove a point.

Beyond that, yes testimony by 500 people would make give me a more open mind to the possibility. I'm not convinced about UFOs, but when I hear stories like the dozens of people who saw a massive UFO in Stephenville TX, I am more willing to accept the possibility of alien beings.

Thirdly, there are many more points of evidence to support Christianity than mere personal testimony. Like documented cases of demonic activity for example.
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Catholics do not worship symbols, or Mary or any of the Saints. They pray to Mary as the mother of Jesus asking for her to intercede for them, but they do not worship her as a deity, they worship the same Trinity that you worship.
praying is worshiping. You don't have to get someone to intercede for you. That's what Jesus' sacrifice was all about. To give you the ability to go straight to GOD when you want to talk to Him. When did I say I worship a trinity...something that I don't believe in ? GOD is GOD. Jesus is Jesus. The so called Holy Spirit isn't a person. It's GOD's power and the effect it has on the universe. Three separate things.
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No, it isn't. Nor does it.

Use ghosts as an example. Or ESP. Or any other phenomena that would violate the known laws of our world, laws that have never been shown to have been violated.
Agreed.

The truth of all things is not equal. There's things that fly in the face of logic, reason, and evidence, and there's not.

This is false parity.

Not all things are equally likely.

It's not that a God is possible, just like no-God.

It's like saying, well, Dragons either exist or don't exist. So each could be true. It lies on the folks making extraordinary claims to back them up, at least if they expect us to do anything about them.

Otherwise we should all be hanging garlic in the Windows to repel vampires, worrying about mischievous Leprechauns, and offering sacrifices to the Roman deities.

You have to go with the basic assumption that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. At least insofar as making decisions about your life, or laws & rules of society.

Otherwise why aren't we mandating laws requiring everyone hangs garlic in their homes, after all, vampires are much more dangerous than fires! They should be required equipment, just like smoke detectors!
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