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Old 12-17-13, 04:42 PM
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Armed guard stops school shooter, saves students’ lives at Colorado high school

This doesn’t mean that armed guards can stop every school shooting. And it doesn’t mean that armed guards are the best solution to school shootings. But it does prove that armed guards are capable of stopping school shootings.

I'm posting two articles. The first is from the Christian Science Monitor, and it mentions that it was an armed guard who stopped the shooter.

The second is from NBC News and Associated Press, and while it mentions that it was a school employee who stopped the shooter, it does not mention that this school employee was armed. Media bias at its worst. Do they really want us to believe that the school employee simply talked the shooter out of killing more people?



http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2013/12...rds-the-answer

Colorado school shooting: Armed guards the answer?

An armed deputy sheriff at Arapahoe High School in Colorado likely prevented a school shooting there from being worse, officials say, ending the episode in less than two minutes.


By Brad Knickerbocker, Staff writer / December 14, 2013

As they investigate the latest school shooting in the United States – Friday at Arapahoe High School in Centennial, Colo. – one thing is clear to law enforcement officials there: The presence of an armed deputy sheriff on regular duty at the school was the key factor in preventing more deaths and injuries.

As soon as he heard the first of five gunshots, that officer and the two school administrators he was talking to raced toward the commotion shouting their presence and ordering students and staff to follow the school’s lock-down protocol.

As a result, Arapahoe County Sheriff Grayson Robinson said at a briefing Saturday afternoon, the heavily-armed shooter realized he was about to be confronted by an armed officer, and he took his own life.

“We believe that that action was absolutely critical to the fact that we didn’t have more deaths and injuries,” Sheriff Robinson said. The whole episode – from the time the shooter entered the school until he shot himself – lasted just one minute and 20 seconds.


In the years following the 1999 massacre at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colo., the public and school officials have debated whether it’s right to turn schools into what some critics call “armed camps.” Arapahoe High School with its 2,229 students and 70 classrooms is an open campus with no metal detectors, although it does have that armed deputy on duty every day classes are in session.

The shooter at Arapahoe High School – 18 year-old student Karl Halverson Pierson – was armed with a pump-action shotgun, two bandoleers filled with shotgun shells, a machete, and a backpack carrying three Molotov cocktail-style bottles of flammable liquid, one of which he ignited. His arsenal had the potential to do significant damage.

With his considerable weaponry, Pierson intended to confront librarian Tracy Murphy, who was also the young man’s debate coach.

Sometime in early September, the two had argued over something. Mr. Murphy had disciplined Pierson (although he did not drop Pierson from the debate team as had been reported). Several other students heard the confrontation, including Pierson’s threat to Murphy. Why the threat to Murphy was not more significantly dealt with is unclear.

On December 6, Pierson legally purchased a pump shotgun. (Eighteen year-olds in Colorado may purchase “long guns” – shotguns and rifles – but not handguns until they are at least 21.) The day before the attack, Pierson bought more rounds of ammunition.

He entered the school at about 12:30 pm Friday, shouting for Murphy. When the librarian heard the commotion, he immediately left the school, accompanied by a janitor. The idea, according to Sheriff Robinson, was to draw the threat away from the school.

Pierson fired several random shots, hitting Claire Esther Davis, a 17 year-old senior, at close range. Following surgery, Ms. Davis is in critical condition at a local hospital. “She needs your continued prayers,” her family said in a statement.

Apparently, the young woman was not an intended target but just “in the wrong place at the wrong time,” as the sheriff put it. No one else was hit by the five rounds Pierson fired, although several students were treated for what officials describe as “anxiety attacks” following their ordeal locked into darkened classrooms then being marched single-file out of the school with their hands up and being frisked while police and sheriff’s deputies searched for any other possible shooter.

Authorities now know that Pierson acted alone. Law enforcement authorities obtained warrants to search the homes of Pierson’s parents (the couple is divorced) as well as his car.

“We will continue to do interviews and investigate evidence,” Robinson said Saturday. “We will not do it quick; we will do it right.”

In any case, says Robinson, “It is my strong opinion that his evil intent was to harm multiple individuals.”


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http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...e-sheriff-says

'His intent was evil': Colorado high school gunman intended to shoot numerous people, sheriff says

By Daniella Silva, NBC News

The 18-year-old Colorado man who shot a fellow student before killing himself Friday intended to shoot numerous people, but his rampage was interrupted by a school resource officer who responded to the shooting, officials said Saturday.

“His intent was evil,” Arapahoe County Sheriff Grayson Robinson said of Karl Halverson Pierson. “And his evil intent was to harm multiple individuals.”

Upon entering the school, Robinson said, Pierson fired one round down the hallway. He then shot Claire Esther Davis, 17, who just happened to be sitting nearby with a friend as he headed toward the library. The girl suffered severe head trauma and remains in critical condition at Littleton Adventist Hospital.

Confronted by the officer, the teen committed suicide less than a minute and a half after he entered the building, armed with a shotgun and multiple rounds of ammunition that he purchased legally, the sheriff said.

In a statement, Claire’s family asked for “continued prayers” for the teenager, who remained in critical condition.

“She was an innocent victim of an evil act of violence,” Robinson said.

He then read the statement from her family:

"Our beautiful daughter Claire Davis has severe head trauma as a result of a gunshot. She needs your continued prayers," the family said.

They also expressed their gratitude to first responders and the trauma team that responded during Friday's brief incident at Arapahoe High School in Centennial, Colo., “for saving our daughter’s life and quickly getting her into surgery,” according to the statement.

Robinson said he does not believe Davis and the shooter knew each other. Davis had been previously identified as a 15-year-old student.

Robinson said the student gunman purchased the pump-action shotgun used in the shooting incident legally on Dec. 6 at a local retail outlet, then legally purchased multiple rounds of shotgun ammunition on Friday morning.

Pierson was also armed with a machete and three Molotov cocktails, one of which was set off. Robinson said the explosives were made of 12 to 16 ounce bottles containing flammable liquid and were brought into the school in a backpack. The weapons were found on and around the shooter's body, he said. Pierson set off one of the Molotov cocktails, setting a fire in the library.

Robinson said the response of a school resource officer was “absolutely critical” to the fact that that there were no additional injuries or deaths.

Robinson said Pierson entered the school from the north side and fired one random shot down the hallway before firing at the victim at point blank range.

Pierson then entered the library and ignited one of the Molotov cocktails.

The deputy sheriff then ran through a long hallway from the cafeteria to the library. While the deputy was containing the shooter, the shooter took his own life at the north end of the library, Robinson said.

Robinson said the motive in the shooting was seen "as some type of retaliation" against a school staff member. Robinson said that Pierson was subject to disciplinary action from the school's debate team coach in September, but denied reports that he had been kicked off the debate team.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Re: Armed guard stops school shooter, saves students’ lives at Colorado high school

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This doesn’t mean that armed guards can stop every school shooting. And it doesn’t mean that armed guards are the best solution to school shootings. But it does prove that armed guards are capable of stopping school shootings.
Way to go out on a limb there.
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Re: Armed guard stops school shooter, saves students’ lives at Colorado high school

What is your evidence that NBC and the AP acting maliciously in the reporting of this story?
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Way to go out on a limb there.
I suggest that elements of the National Guard (armed to the teeth) should be stationed at every school - including elementary schools. And, they should anyone that appears to be suspicious.
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What is your evidence that NBC and the AP acting maliciously in the reporting of this story?
Evidence? Why use evidence when you can forge dubious connections where none actually exist?
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Re: Armed guard stops school shooter, saves students’ lives at Colorado high school

Hmm...I wonder what his political views were? Probably a Tea Party/Christian activist, but the media just refrained from printing that because they thought it wasn't newsworthy.
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Re: Armed guard stops school shooter, saves students’ lives at Colorado high school

Umm... we've had police at schools for decades. An "armed deputy sheriff" is a very different than the conservative masturbation fantasy where our teachers are armed, or having retired military gun-nuts post guard.

And even with armed police there, it's not always a deterrent, or effective at stopping the shooter (Columbine).
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And even with armed police there, it's not always a deterrent, or effective at stopping the shooter (Columbine).
Columbine isn't really a great example. Part of the problem was that the armed officer at Columbine was re-directed to a non-security related purpose on the day in question, so he wasn't even in the school at the time; he and an unarmed guard were off at the far north edge of campus looking into reports of teenagers smoking ( http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2000/col...UTIES_TEXT.htm ):

Jefferson County Sheriff’s Deputy Neil Gardner soon would complete his second year as the uniformed community resource officer assigned to Columbine High School. Gardner, a 15-year veteran of the Sheriff’s Office, normally ate his lunch with the students in the cafeteria during first lunch period. His car would have been parked in his “normal spot” in front of the cafeteria doors - between the junior and senior parking lots.

On April 20, however, Deputy Gardner and campus supervisor Andy Marton, an unarmed school security officer employed by the school district, were eating lunch in Gardner’s patrol car. They were monitoring students in the “Smokers’ Pit,” a spot just to the northwest of campus in Clement Park where the students congregated to smoke cigarettes.
Even with that, Gardner actually managed to get back to the scene and tied up one of the shooters in an exchange of gunfire. During that time, the shooter wasn't killing anybody.

Columbine is just a somewhat unique mass shooting. You had multiple shooters with a well formulated plan, using both explosives and firearms. And you had the then-prevailing (and now increasingly defunct) law enforcement training of "form a perimeter and wait for SWAT." The former is an exceedingly rare condition, even for the already exceedingly rare category of mass shootings, and the latter is antiquated training precisely because of Columbine.
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Re: Armed guard stops school shooter, saves students’ lives at Colorado high school

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What is your evidence that NBC and the AP acting maliciously in the reporting of this story?
The article implies that the employee talked the shooter out of killing people, instead of saying that the employee was armed.
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Re: Armed guard stops school shooter, saves students’ lives at Colorado high school

Originally Posted by Navinabob View Post
Umm... we've had police at schools for decades. An "armed deputy sheriff" is a very different than the conservative masturbation fantasy where our teachers are armed, or having retired military gun-nuts post guard.

And even with armed police there, it's not always a deterrent, or effective at stopping the shooter (Columbine).
That's right. They are called "School Resource Officers." Most high schools and many middle schools have them. They are local police officers whose salary is paid in full by taxpayers of the school district. Unfortunately, school taxes are yet another example of an area where Americans are demanding cuts. Our school district did without 2 of our 6 SRO's for a few years. But we have twenty elementary schools. If you were a taxpayer in my school district, are you prepared to pay for TWENTY police officers' salaries, pensions, benefits? It's ludicrous to even consider a school district raising taxes another million or more dollars.
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The article implies that the employee talked the shooter out of killing people, instead of saying that the employee was armed.
It doesn't say that in the article at all. It says the officer "confronted" the shooter, which is the exact same wording in the CSM article.
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The article implies that the employee talked the shooter out of killing people, instead of saying that the employee was armed.
The article says he was a deputy sheriff. I assumed he was armed. And since I doesn't sound like he actually fired (or even pulled) his weapon, I'm not sure what the point of mentioning it would be.

In fact, he could have talked him down according to the first article too. Nothing to indicate otherwise. The author is inferring that the fact the office was armed was important. We don't actually know that for sure.

Do you wake up every morning and just go looking for things to be outraged about?
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As someone with two school-aged kids, even though I live in a very safe 'burb I have no problem with licensed / trained armed guards being present on campus. Would be expensive for an extremely marginal risk, though.
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And, they should anyone that appears to be suspicious.
What if they accidentally the whole thing?
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The article implies that the employee talked the shooter out of killing people, instead of saying that the employee was armed.
Are those the parts you have in bold text? That's a hell of a reach.
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What if they accidentally the whole thing?
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I have some keyboards lying around my house which haven't been used too much, in case anyone is interested.
Computer keyboards or musical keyboards?

If they're computer keyboards, I'm not interested, but if they're musical keyboards, I'm also not interested.
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What if they accidentally the whole thing?
Then there should be strict procedures in place on when you can justifiably .
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