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Old 10-12-13, 11:47 PM
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http://www.wsoctv.com/news/news/nati...dry-run/nbKyh/

Orlando, Florida -- It was a flight bound for Florida, and some airline pilots believe it also may have been a dry-run for terrorists.

The 10 News Investigators have obtained an internal memo that details a frightening incident that brings back memories of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.

Since then, federal efforts have gone in place to prevent a similar attack, leading many to believe another attack what happened on 9/11 could never happen again.

Wolf Koch, who flies Boeing 767s for Delta Airlines and is the Aviation Security Committee Chairman for the Air Line Pilots Association International, says that belief "is very foolish."

Koch describes the events of 9/11 as "an incredible attack on us. It was very well orchestrated and they're going to try it again... 100 percent, no question in my mind. They're going to try it again."

According to Koch, many other flight crews are concerned the planning may already be underway.

A memo obtained by the 10 News investigators from the union that represents pilots for US Airways says that "there have been several cases recently throughout the (airline) industry of what appear to be probes, or dry-runs, to test our procedures and reaction to an in flight threat."

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Koch says, "What most security experts will tell you that if a dry-run is occurring, the attack will shortly follow."

The pilots say the most recent dry-run occurred on Flight 1880 on September 2. The flight left Reagan National Airport in Washington D.C. and headed to Orlando International.

Crew members say that shortly after takeoff, a group of four "Middle Eastern" men caused a commotion.

The witnesses claim one of the men ran from his seat in coach, toward the flight deck door. He made a hard left and entered the forward bathroom "for a considerable length of time."

While he was in there, the other three men proceeded to move about the cabin, changing seats, opening overhead bins, and "generally making a scene." They appeared to be trying to occupy and distract the flight attendants.

The 10 News Investigators contacted both US Airways and the Transportation Security Administration both confirmed the incident. US Airways says it won't discuss the details of security measures, but that it works closely with authorities.

See also: TIA passengers react to news of possible terrorism threat

The TSA told us it takes all reports of suspicious activity aboard aircraft seriously, and the matter requires no further investigation at this time.

However, a current Federal Air Marshal who works flights every week says of the TSA, "They're liars. They're flat out liars."

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The Air Marshal, whose identity we are not revealing because agency rules prohibit him from talking to the media, says the TSA doesn't want the flying public to be aware of the problems with terrorist probes.

The Air Marshal and others we have spoken to say several flights they have worked were targets of dry-runs and that most of his colleagues believe no matter what the TSA says, the incident aboard Flight 1880 is serious.

Until now, there has been absolutely no publicity about the US Airways flight from D.C. to Orlando International Airport, but security experts say incidents like this should not and cannot be ignored.

As the Federal Air Marshal and industry insiders tell us, "We're waiting for the next 9/11 to happen, because it's not a question of if. It's a question of when."
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Old 10-13-13, 12:01 AM
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Why would terrorists use Middle Eastern people to run their test? They must have non ME members. Are they really that stupid to think that if a bunch of Middle Eastern passengers all get up as a group, everyone else on the plane will be watching them, ready to act.
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Because Americans have the attention span of a 3 year old and many have likely already forgotten.
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Don't the locks on the cockpit doors basically guarantee an incident like 9/11 can't happen again?
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Cockpit locks won't stop a determined terrorist from generally making a scene. We need overhead bin locks!
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This was nothing. Just wait until they do the "wet runs."
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God all this bullshit. Let's just do this: you board the plane, take your seat, and fasten your belt. After that, you can't unfasten it. The locks are tied to a command module in the cockpit and only the pilot can engage it and allow you to unlock your belt. Tough shit if you have to go to the bathroom or stretch your legs. There, terror threat eliminated.
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So, basically unruly idiots on a plane...nothing new there. Just because they happen to be "Middle Eastern" (which probably means they were Indian or Hispanic) doesn't mean it's a dry run.
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This just in, self centered assholes cause consternation on flight. I mean, didn't these guys have to take their belts off just like we do? How could terrorists slip through like that?

On a recent flight from Orlando to Philadelphia, a man on board was wearing cologne that, in the right concentration, could have been used in a chemical attack. Was this a dry run too?
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Don't we get these scare stories every couple of years? Here's a couple that have been posted here:

http://forum.dvdtalk.com/religion-po...ght-327-a.html

http://forum.dvdtalk.com/religion-po...-you-read.html

The one from '07 even had several of the same details.
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The more I think about it, the more I realize how terrible that article is.

Koch says, "What most security experts will tell you that if a dry-run is occurring, the attack will shortly follow."
So now we're not even going to talk to these supposed "experts," we'll just have someone tell us what those experts would tell us if we bothered to ask them.

The witnesses claim one of the men ran from his seat in coach, toward the flight deck door. He made a hard left and entered the forward bathroom "for a considerable length of time."
A "hard left." What other type of left would he make to enter a door perpendicular to his path down a narrow aisle? But it makes for a more alarming story to throw in such aggressive imagery. And great investigative reporting to get even a rough estimate of what constitutes "a considerable length of time" in the mind of the witness.

However, a current Federal Air Marshal who works flights every week says of the TSA, "They're liars. They're flat out liars."

The Air Marshal, whose identity we are not revealing because agency rules prohibit him from talking to the media, says the TSA doesn't want the flying public to be aware of the problems with terrorist probes.
There's not really any context here. What exactly is this anonymous source saying they are liars about? I guess that the TSA takes terrorism reports seriously? It's so vague as to be a worthless statement, again just serving to be alarmist without any substance.

As the Federal Air Marshal and industry insiders tell us, "We're waiting for the next 9/11 to happen, because it's not a question of if. It's a question of when."
Who said this? The air marshal? Other "industry insiders"? Did they all use the exact same quote?
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The one from '07 even had several of the same details.
Just goes to show that they're willing to practice however long it takes to get it right. See the teachings of Ayatollah Malik Um Gladwell.
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The more I think about it
Well, there's your first mistake.
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