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Bible scholar intends to show that Romans made Jesus up

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How many other "Biblical scholars" aren't already pretty heavily religious? Seems like his critics have a built-in foundation for bias against his findings. On the other hand, he is likely full of crap. Since he already espoused his theory in 2005, I wonder if there has been any thoughtful analysis of his findings from someone who doesn't say Grace before every meal.
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How many other "Biblical scholars" aren't already pretty heavily religious? Seems like his critics have a built-in foundation for bias against his findings. On the other hand, he is likely full of crap. Since he already espoused his theory in 2005, I wonder if there has been any thoughtful analysis of his findings from someone who doesn't say Grace before every meal.
This isn't a new theory, nor one that this guy is even offering all of his details and "evidence". Difficult to dissect.

On a cursory glance, he appears to be a quack engaging in pseudoscience who seems to not have a firm grasp of the bible.
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Re: Bible scholar intends to show that Romans made Jesus up

Every field of study has its cranks and nutjobs, always spouting outlandish theories and wild accusations. It's mostly a ploy for attention and/or funding from sympathetic sources.
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His claim isn't stupid, but how he got to his claim certainly is. Yes, there are a few similarities, big deal. That in no way says anything on the likelihood of Jesus being fictional. There are dozens of better reasons that suggest he was (at least in part) fictional.
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I can't wait for his next book: "Master Dogs: Man's best friend was also Noah's"
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Isn't this common knowledge?
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No, master dogs is a relatively new meme at DVD Talk.
How are there no meme images of this meme yet? DVDTalkers disappointing....
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Just wait until my next theory on cosmology, it will blow your fucking mind. I'm a self professed cosmologist.

Looks a little hokey. And the "self professed biblical scholar" thing doesn't exactly help his cause. Many a new denomination was started by self-professed biblical scholars.
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Since seeing this thread, I read up a little. Apparently, the emperor Titus invented Jesus to give the Jews a peaceful messiah to worship and turn them away from their rebellious ways. Josephus was also in on it. But this happened after the last Jewish rebellion was crushed, way too late for anyone's timetable of the development of Christianity. I'm sure Atwill tries to explain this but I don't see how he can get around Paul who was undoubtedly a historical figure.

Anyway, I'm sure there is a lot more to it than this but the whole thing seems to scream "crank."

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Unless we have another more qualified history specialist here than me and my meager B.A., I'm going to act as the resident forum ancient history specialist and declare this total bunk.

This does not jive, at all, with what I know of the Roman Empire and Judaism/Christianity. At all. I'll leave it at that unless someone wants a long and drawn out explanation that would probably bore everyone. Josephus creating Christianity, and the timing both seem all wrong.

There's a reason I have a quote from Livy (Roman Historian) in my sig, I read a big hunk of one of his histories to do a book review on it.

I'm betting when he releases this stupendous work of scholarship, it'll be torn apart by professional historians.
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So the Romans invented Christianity to control the masses, but waited 300 years to implement it. That makes a lot of sense.

If the Roman elite invented it, why did they quell it until Constantine became Emperor? If it was so good for controlling people, why did they fight civil wars over it?
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Well, there are embarrassing facts about the Romans in the New Testament which makes this theory all the more plausible! For some reason.
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I'm betting when he releases this stupendous work of scholarship, it'll be torn apart by professional historians.
It's been out for at least eight years.

http://www.amazon.com/Caesars-Messia...1528371&sr=1-2

See the movie!

http://www.amazon.com/Caesars-Messia...ar%27s+messiah
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Well, there are embarrassing facts about the Romans in the New Testament which makes this theory all the more plausible! For some reason.


Attestation of embarrassment isn't nearly as persuasive to literary critics when the embarrassment is done by a different party than the one being embarrassed, but that was funny.
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Then the retard who wrote the article couldn't copy the Latin:

Vidit ergo Lesus publicanum ey [sic:et]quia miserando antque[sic: atque] eligendo vidit, ait illi sequre[sic:sequere[] me.
CNN-even just copying the Latin correctly is too hard for us.
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The only problem? Most Biblical experts disagree with the scholar's pronouncements.
Well, there's that problem.
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