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Old 10-09-13, 01:10 PM
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Following California's lead, New York lawmakers look to criminalize 'revenge porn'

http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/7/48...e-revenge-porn

I believe in CA, the penalties are up to $1000 in fines and up to 6 months in jail. Sounds like NY would make it 1 year in jail and up to $30,000 in fines.

This kind of law coming to NY makes me wonder. Would the people who released Anthony Weiner's dick picks have been thrown in jail or fined $30,000? Seems to me that a politician or a candidate, or a corporate executive or well known public figure now has carte blanche to send naked photos of themselves to anybody they want, knowing that if the recipient ever leaks those photos, they could be guilty of a crime that could send them to prison for a year or result in fines of $30,000.
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Old 10-09-13, 01:17 PM
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Re: Following California's lead, New York lawmakers look to criminalize 'revenge porn

Another thing that bugs me:

Suppose Amy and Bob are in a long term, loving relationship. Things turn sour and they go throw a particularly nasty breakup.

scenario 1: Bob takes all their dirty photos and videos and post them online.
scenario 2. Bob goes through every email and every voice mail Amy ever sent him and looks for every time she ever said anything bad about any of her friends, family members, bosses, coworkers, etc. and forwards those emails to those people.

Why is scenario 1 worse than scenario 2? Why does scenario 1 need special laws, but scenario 2 does not?
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Re: Following California's lead, New York lawmakers look to criminalize 'revenge porn

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Another thing that bugs me:

Suppose Amy and Bob are in a long term, loving relationship. Things turn sour and they go throw a particularly nasty breakup.

scenario 1: Bob takes all their dirty photos and videos and post them online.
scenario 2. Bob goes through every email and every voice mail Amy ever sent him and looks for every time she ever said anything bad about any of her friends, family members, bosses, coworkers, etc. and forwards those emails to those people.

Why is scenario 1 worse than scenario 2? Why does scenario 1 need special laws, but scenario 2 does not?
I'd need to see pics of Amy before I could offer an informed opinion.
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Old 10-09-13, 01:39 PM
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Re: Following California's lead, New York lawmakers look to criminalize 'revenge porn

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Another thing that bugs me:

Suppose Amy and Bob are in a long term, loving relationship. Things turn sour and they go throw a particularly nasty breakup.

scenario 1: Bob takes all their dirty photos and videos and post them online.
scenario 2. Bob goes through every email and every voice mail Amy ever sent him and looks for every time she ever said anything bad about any of her friends, family members, bosses, coworkers, etc. and forwards those emails to those people.

Why is scenario 1 worse than scenario 2? Why does scenario 1 need special laws, but scenario 2 does not?
Depending on how the law is written, what about scenario 3: Bob saves the pictures to a thumb drive. Steve picks up the thumb drive and posts the contents online. Is that illegal?
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Re: Following California's lead, New York lawmakers look to criminalize 'revenge porn

In most cases it is only illegal if you personally take the picture, and then show it off. If, for instance, your girlfriend texts you a photo she took under her dress, you can legally show it off to anyone. That's why you see tons of "selfies" on the internet.
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Re: Following California's lead, New York lawmakers look to criminalize 'revenge porn

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I'd need to see pics of Amy before I could offer an informed opinion.
The best answer possible.

Otherwise, you have two liberal states trying to save you from yourself. It should be expected.

I would think the biggest problem would be that it was revenge and not something she said you could do, but then decided after the breakup that it was "revenge."
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Re: Following California's lead, New York lawmakers look to criminalize 'revenge porn

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Depending on how the law is written, what about scenario 3: Bob saves the pictures to a thumb drive. Steve picks up the thumb drive and posts the contents online. Is that illegal?
Good point. Seems like this is trying to find a solution to something that probably can't be solved.
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Re: Following California's lead, New York lawmakers look to criminalize 'revenge porn

Seems like the simpler solution is to have a form that somebody can fill out to have any of these pictures removed from the internet.
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Another thing that bugs me:

Suppose Amy and Bob are in a long term, loving relationship. Things turn sour and they go throw a particularly nasty breakup.

scenario 1: Bob takes all their dirty photos and videos and post them online.
scenario 2. Bob goes through every email and every voice mail Amy ever sent him and looks for every time she ever said anything bad about any of her friends, family members, bosses, coworkers, etc. and forwards those emails to those people.

Why is scenario 1 worse than scenario 2? Why does scenario 1 need special laws, but scenario 2 does not?
Because scenario 2 doesn't have images of her getting fucked or having a dick in her mouth? Really?
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Because scenario 2 doesn't have images of her getting fucked or having a dick in her mouth? Really?
Why is that worse than getting her fired or getting her friends to hate her?
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Why is that worse than getting her fired or getting her friends to hate her?
If anything, I'd say those pics would cause her friends, family members, bosses, coworkers, etc. to like Amy more!
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If anything, I'd say those pics would cause her friends, family members, bosses, coworkers, etc. to like Amy more!
If a friend of mine ended up having a video of him/her doing dirty things made it to the internet, it wouldn't end my friendship.

But if a friend of mind had a video on the internet, where he/she was saying horrible things about me, that would definitely put a strain on the friendship.

But only one of those situations somehow requires some special laws.
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Why is that worse than getting her fired or getting her friends to hate her?
I don't know, perhaps affecting her entire future life personally and professionally? Not to mention the massive embarrassment and emotional distress inflicted.

There is a special law because this is an egregious trend. Like most laws, they are contemporaneous of the times.
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I don't know, perhaps affecting her entire future life personally and professionally? Not to mention the massive embarrassment and emotional distress inflicted.

There is a special law because this is an egregious trend. Like most laws, they are contemporaneous of the times.
Would Amy have no legal recourse in scenario 2? Is there nothing that she could do? There are no other civil/criminal laws to take care of this?

And if there is a legal recourse for scenario 2, why is there a need for a new law for scenario 1?

Or is the solution to every single problem "just write a new law!!!"
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If a friend of mine ended up having a video of him/her doing dirty things made it to the internet, it wouldn't end my friendship.

But if a friend of mind had a video on the internet, where he/she was saying horrible things about me, that would definitely put a strain on the friendship.

But only one of those situations somehow requires some special laws.
FWIW, I tend to agree with you. Dirty pics are becoming a fact of life (who here hasn't taken one?) and it's not going to be a big deal in 10 or 20 years.
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FWIW, I tend to agree with you. Dirty pics are becoming a fact of life (who here hasn't taken one?)


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I have never taken a "dirty" picture. I would never want my wife in that situation professionally.

And I'm pretty sure she would terminate Amy if she worked for her and those pictures got out.
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Okay, who under the age of 40 hasn't taken one.

Also, you guys are missing the fuck out.
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No, I think you'd be missing out if you never tried LSD. I can see perfectly fine with my eyes and have a good memory.
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Okay, who under the age of 40 hasn't taken one.
I'm young at heart, dammit.

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No, I think you'd be missing out if you never tried LSD.
I've never taken LSD, either.

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Too bad.

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“Taking LSD was a profound experience, one of the most important things in my life. LSD shows you that there’s another side to the coin, and you can’t remember it when it wears off, but you know it. It reinforced my sense of what was important—creating great things instead of making money, putting things back into the stream of history and of human consciousness as much as I could.”
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A friend of mine has dropped acid a couple times. He wasn't that blown away by it. He said it lasts for fucking ever, too. Killed any desire I had to try it.
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I have never taken a "dirty" picture. I would never want my wife in that situation professionally.

And I'm pretty sure she would terminate Amy if she worked for her and those pictures got out.
Your wife would fire an employee for a dirty picture? Wow.
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Your wife would fire an employee for a dirty picture? Wow.
Depending on the picture.... I may hire her!
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FWIW, I tend to agree with you. Dirty pics are becoming a fact of life (who here hasn't taken one?) and it's not going to be a big deal in 10 or 20 years.
I have taken them, but I have never been in one.
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