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Government shut down stories

Seems like we see them in various threads, but they don't have their own thread. So I made one because I found this most interesting.

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Blocking access to trails and programs at South Dakota’s most popular attraction was one thing, but state officials didn’t expect Congress’ budget stalemate to shut down a view of Mount Rushmore.

The National Park Service placed cones along highway viewing areas outside Mount Rushmore this week, barring visitors from pulling over and taking pictures of the famed monument.

The cones first went up Oct. 1, said Dusty Johnson, Gov. Dennis Daugaard’s chief of staff. The state asked that they be taken down, and federal officials did so with some of them. The state was told the cones were a safety precaution to help channel cars into viewing areas rather than to bar their entrance.

“I think reasonable people can disagree about that,” Johnson said.


The cones were down again Friday as a blizzard hit the Black Hills and plows needed access to the roads, Johnson said. He said the state would be monitoring to see whether the cones are put back along viewing areas.

“Once the snow’s off the ground, we’re going to be keeping an eye on how the cones go up,” Johnson said.

The Buffalo News reported that a tour group of dozens of people from western New York was unable to take pictures of the monument because highway viewing areas were coned off.

“It’s all closed up,” the newspaper quoted North Collins, N.Y., resident Hilde Werneth as saying. “They won’t even let you stop and take a picture. You can only drive by.”

Jim Hagen, secretary of the South Dakota Department of Tourism, said the situation is hurting people from out-of-state and international visitors who are in South Dakota to visit the monument.

“They won’t even let you pull off on the side of the road,” Hagen said. “I just don’t know what they’re trying to accomplish.”

A spokeswoman for the National Park Service in Omaha confirmed that the monument is closed, but she said she didn’t have details about cones. A message left at Mount Rushmore was not returned.

The closure is part of a budget showdown between House Republicans who want to defund the Affordable Care Act and Democrats who want to preserve funding. Republicans have passed spending bills that would open the parks and restore services to other areas of the federal government, but Democrats say the Republicans should pass a spending that bill that funds the Affordable Care Act, too.

Perry Plumart, a spokesman for Democratic Sen. Tim Johnson, said closing Mount Rushmore hurts visitors, businesses and furloughed park rangers.

“The best way to restore access to all national parks, including Mount Rushmore, is for Speaker Boehner and the House to pass a clean continuing resolution and end the government shutdown,” Plumart said.

But Republicans said the administration is unnecessarily making the shutdown more painful than needed — including coning off viewing areas near Mount Rushmore.

“It disgusts me that taxpayer resources were used on this act of stupidity,” Rep. Kristi Noem said. “This is federal government arrogance at its worst.”

Sen. John Thune said he had seen photos of the coned-off viewing areas, and he said it’s “outrageous” if federal officials are barring people from pulling over and taking pictures from the highway.

“It seems to me, on a lot of levels — and we saw this out here with the World War II Memorial — the administration wants to make this as painful as possible,” Thune said, referring to barricades around the memorial.

Thune said the Senate could easily take up spending bills to fund parks and other specific items rather than an overall spending bill, but he said Democrats have refused. “They, obviously, prefer to have the issue and not the solution,” he said.

Daugaard offered to keep Mount Rushmore open using state resources, Dusty Johnson noted. The National Park Service declined.


“I can’t even believe we’re having this conversation,” he said.
See? When it really isn't that bad, they have to do things to make it "that bad" so that we can marvel at how much we need government. I'd love to see people actually defend this.

"Nope, sorry, the park is closed. And since it is closed, we will block the view of anything that might interest you."

I don't doubt that this decision was made way down the line, but SD says they will pay to keep it open and the fed says "no thanks."

Hope there are no accidents on the road and someone needs to pull over. The cones are arranged so that all you can do is keep driving.
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Old 10-07-13, 06:53 PM
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The National Park Service has actually had someone remove the handles off all the well pumps along the Chesapeake & Ohio Canal that runs 184 miles from Washington, D.C. to Cumberland, Maryland, according to sources. The NPS has also stationed officers in the park to make sure bikers don’t ride down closed bike paths and that no one can come near the scenic waterway.

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"We'll have to send everyone home....except for those we need to make this even worse."
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http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...13/m-13-22.pdf

The determination of which services continue during an appropriations lapse is not affected
by whether the costs of shutdown exceed the costs of maintaining services.
In other words "if it costs more money to shut something down than to keep it open, shut it down anyway!"
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Meanwhile, TSA who is "working" during the shutdown lets a nine year old boy through security without ID and a ticket, and he is able to board a plan. BUT they claim no security breach, because there are layers and nothing dangerous got on the plane. They obviously FAILED to do their job because he got through the security w/o a ticket.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel...vegas/2936805/

Per our local news, TSA tried to cite reduced staffing levels due to the shutdown, but later admitted TSA staffing at security is NOT reduced, only administrative positions at headquarters.
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The National Park Service tried to shut down Mt. Vernon, until someone told them that Mt. Vernon is a private non-profit.
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The government is shut down, but I was still able to watch Duck Dynasty for the first time last night. True story.
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WWII veterans were not allowed to visit a Memorial in their honor, but a pro-amnesty immigration rally can still take place on NPS land (http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2536908).
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The National Park Service tried to shut down Mt. Vernon, until someone told them that Mt. Vernon is a private non-profit.
http://thecollegepolitico.com/nation...-parking-lots/



Yeah, we need to get to paying these guys again. Stellar job.
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National Park Officials closed down the educational Claude Moore Colonial Farm near the CIA in McLean, Va., even though the federal government doesn't fund or staff the park popular with children and schools. Just because the privately-operated park is on Park Service land, making the federal government simply its landlord, the agency decided to close it.

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What government property has/had more guards?

The World War II Memorial during the shutdown, keeping those pesky nonagenarians from one last look at an open air Memorial built in their honor before they die?

or the Consulate in Benghazi the night of the terrorist attacks?
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They're just cones. Drive over the fuckers.
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What government property has/had more guards?

The World War II Memorial during the shutdown, keeping those pesky nonagenarians from one last look at an open air Memorial built in their honor before they die?

or the Consulate in Benghazi the night of the terrorist attacks?
What difference, at this point, does it make?
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Yeah, the National Park Service, what a bunch of fucking losers. Fuck those assholes.
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THUNDERDOME

I hate this forum.
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Yeah, the National Park Service, what a bunch of fucking losers. Fuck those assholes.
Yeah, their behavior is professional and what one would expect. All praise the government.
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Yeah, their behavior is professional and what one would expect. All praise the government.
I guess we should ask Randy Neugebauer what the best way to show professionalism is.
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If I have to google the person you refer to, it isn't a very good example.

Seriously, you don't think putting cones on the highway so that you can't pull over isn't a dick move? You don't think shutting down property they don't control isn't a dick move? You don't think shutting down your tenants when they pay for a lease on the property isn't a dick move?
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Now people have to leave their homes

How the Shutdown Threatens Some Home Owners

At first, the government shutdown only seemed to affect bureaucrats in Washington. But the longer it persists, the more it is harming ordinary people who never knew they had a stake in Washington’s nauseating political battles.
The government has told about 60 home owners in southern Nevada, for instance, that they need to leave their property for the duration of the shutdown, because their homes sit on federal land in the Lake Mead Recreational Area. Since Lake Mead is managed by the feds, anybody who happens to own a home within its boundaries is technically a “visitor” subject to the same lockout that applies to tourists, hikers, campers or sportsmen seeking access to federal land.
The rules governing Lake Mead say that the only homes allowed there must be vacation homes, with the owners having a primary residence someplace else, so they’re not considered full-time, year-round residents of the park. But some home owners apparently got into the habit of spending most of their time at Lake Mead, anyway. Joyce Spencer, 77, said she and her husband Ralph, who is 80, had to move in with nearby family after a park ranger told them they had 24 hours to evacuate the Lake Mead home they’ve owned since the 1970s. “I had to buy Ralph undershirts and jeans because I forgot his pants," Joyce Spencer told TV station KTNV. “I had to be sure and get his walker and his scooter.”

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As infuriating as it might be to get kicked out of your home thanks to combative politicians, there doesn’t seem to be much Lake Mead owners can do about it. Anybody who defies the order to leave can be issued a citation -- and sent to jail if they try to protest by not paying it. Bob Hitchcock, 71, who owns a cabin on the shores of Lake Mead, told the Las Vegas Review Journal that he thought about staying on the property and challenging the order to leave. “Are they really going to come down hard on somebody for trespassing inside his own home?” he wondered. But then he decided they might do exactly that, and chose to sit tight in his Las Vegas home until the shutdown is over.
Strict new prohibitions on entering federal lands since the shutdown went into effect are surely coming as a surprise to thousands of people who use the national parks every day. The government says all national parks and other types of properties it administers are closed, though it’s obviously impossible to secure every trailhead or other entrance to millions of acres of wilderness. Plus, there’s now only limited staff to patrol the parks, since more than 21,000 park service employees—nearly 90% of the total--have been furloughed. Without a doubt, there are some campers in back-country areas along the Appalachian Trail, Pacific Crest Trail and other forest ways who aren’t even aware of the shutdown, and might just disappear back into the woods if they learned about it. Plus, it's fall, which is peak time for leaf-peeping and for tourists hoping to take advantage of thinned-out summer crowds.
Still, as the shutdown drifts into a second week, it’s beginning to impact people far from Washington in ways that are both deliberate and unintentional. Preschool classes have been closed in many states that rely upon federal funds to keep classrooms open. Shortfalls in nutritional funding for low-income mothers and their babies could leave thousands without infant formula and other types of support, with funding running out soonest in Arkansas and Utah.
Shutdown anxiety is also starting to spook the stock market, which rose slightly last week—when it all seemed like temporary posturing—but has now begun to decline as politicians harden their positions and a resolution begins to look distant. Analysts expect the stock-market jitters to intensify as the political gridlock morphs into a much bigger battle over extending the nation’s borrowing limit, which could lead to a default on U.S. debt by around Oct. 17, when the Treasury will exhaust its ability to fully finance the government. In that regard, the shutdown will begin to pinch anybody with an investment portfolio or a retirement plan.
Unfortunately, the pain being inflicted on ordinary people doesn’t seem sufficient to convince lawmakers to resolve the stalemate, with most signs suggesting the shutdown will continue until Oct. 17, at least. At that point, lawmakers may be in a better position to make a deal on several big fiscal issues all at one.
Another week or two of no government, meanwhile, would be good news for one spirited group of Americans: Washington, D.C.-area skateboarders, who are usually banned from the smooth, wide promenades that flank many government buildings and represent ideal skateboarding terrain. With government workers and security officers scarce, the Wall Street Journal reports, skateboarders are moving onto federal turf like wildlife reclaiming habitat when a new preserve is established. A skateboarder invasion couldn’t have happened in a better town.

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If I have to google the person you refer to, it isn't a very good example.

Seriously, you don't think putting cones on the highway so that you can't pull over isn't a dick move? You don't think shutting down property they don't control isn't a dick move? You don't think shutting down your tenants when they pay for a lease on the property isn't a dick move?
I'm sorry you don't pay attention to things.

No, I think a dick move is shutting down the federal government and furloughing NPS park rangers, without pay, because you don't like a law that was passed by both the Senate and the House, signed by the President, and upheld by the Supreme Court.
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I'm sorry you don't pay attention to things.

No, I think a dick move is shutting down the federal government and furloughing NPS park rangers, without pay, because you don't like a law that was passed by both the Senate and the House, signed by the President, and upheld by the Supreme Court.
Me too. Why can't they just give those same park rangers the same year waiver they give the corporations and let this be over?
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I'm sorry you don't pay attention to things.

No, I think a dick move is shutting down the federal government and furloughing NPS park rangers, without pay, because you don't like a law that was passed by both the Senate and the House, signed by the President, and upheld by the Supreme Court.
So, it's ok to dick everyone in the US, but it was wrong to shut down the federal government.

Not sure if I get your logic.

Both political parties are taking advantage of Americans, which is shameful.
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They're just cones. Drive over the fuckers.
This.

If more Americans would do things like this, politicians would rather quickly get their act together.
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NPS has a responsibility to provide maintenance and safety at those places. I admit they acted a bit stupidly with some of the stuff they closed, but the fact of the matter is that they cannot staff most of these places properly so they closed them. Clearly, several of the closures were more political than practical.
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Wow. Regardless of reality or how you view this issue, from an outside perspective, it seems that the Dems have the high ground, they are winning the propaganda war, they should be crucifying the opposition. And yet this shit is happening? How fucking stupid do you have to be to squander this? This should be a slam dunk for them...and they're blowing it. If that doesn't make you lose faith in politicians nothing will.
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