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I've seen the members of Duck Dynasty say that their harshest critics are other Christians, and surfing around a little, I see examples of that. It appears to be a difference in perspective that I as a Roman Catholic don't quite understand. At least a part of it stems from the Robertson belief in baptism. Phil has talked about having baptized almost a thousand people in the river behind his house.

The Robertsons are members of the Church of Christ, not Southern Baptist like you might think of a Louisiana family. As far as I can tell, CoC is entirely based around the New Testament teachings and that's it.

So what is the problem between other Christian groups and CoC?
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Old 09-16-13, 08:58 PM
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According to the fundies, Catholics aren't Christians. A google search will reveal everything from straightforward arguments for this position

http://carm.org/is-catholicism-christian

to condescending drivel

http://www.gotquestions.org/Catholic-Christian.html

to the comically ridiculous

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0071/0071_01.asp
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Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"

He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"

He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!"

Northern Conservative†Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.
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The Bible directly addresses the futility of denominations to begin with, because they divide people who are supposed to be following Christ above all else. The term "Christian" was actually coined as a derogatory term by people in Antioch.
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I've seen the members of Duck Dynasty say that their harshest critics are other Christians, and surfing around a little, I see examples of that. It appears to be a difference in perspective that I as a Roman Catholic don't quite understand. At least a part of it stems from the Robertson belief in baptism. Phil has talked about having baptized almost a thousand people in the river behind his house.

The Robertsons are members of the Church of Christ, not Southern Baptist like you might think of a Louisiana family. As far as I can tell, CoC is entirely based around the New Testament teachings and that's it.

So what is the problem between other Christian groups and CoC?
From what I remember CoC believes Baptism is a requirement to get to heaven. Therefore it's a salvation through works kind of thing. Which is anathema to the sola fide crowd.
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I've seen the members of Duck Dynasty say that their harshest critics are other Christians
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I love that joke, JasonF.
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I love that joke, JasonF.
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Didn't you hear? He was risen three posts later.
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The Bible directly addresses the futility of denominations to begin with, because they divide people who are supposed to be following Christ above all else. The term "Christian" was actually coined as a derogatory term by people in Antioch.
Denominations wouldn't be necessary if everyone interpreted the Bible in the same way. It's a shame that god had to go and make his holy books so muddy and open to differing opinions.
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From what I remember CoC believes Baptism is a requirement to get to heaven. Therefore it's a salvation through works kind of thing. Which is anathema to the sola fide crowd.
sola fide?
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The Bible directly addresses the futility of denominations to begin with, because they divide people who are supposed to be following Christ above all else. The term "Christian" was actually coined as a derogatory term by people in Antioch.
Stupid Protestants and their belief that man can interpret the bible. Stupid schism. Babel all over again!
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Stupid Protestants and their belief that man can interpret the bible. Stupid schism. Babel all over again!
Speaking of the Tower of Babel, why hasn't God struck us down for building airplanes? They go much higher and closer to "heaven" than any tower ever possibly could. Or heck spaceships...

So God strikes down man for building a tower to reach the heavens, even though a tower that tall is completely illogical in the first place, but yet we build airplanes and spaceships and God does not nothing?
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Speaking of the Tower of Babel, why hasn't God struck us down for building airplanes? They go much higher and closer to "heaven" than any tower ever possibly could. Or heck spaceships...

So God strikes down man for building a tower to reach the heavens, even though a tower that tall is completely illogical in the first place, but yet we build airplanes and spaceships and God does not nothing?
Actually the whole issue with the Tower of Babel was not so simple. Yes, man wanted to reach the Heavens to establish a Kingdom there. Basically, making man akin to God. Then there was the issue that the tribes of men were all gathering in that single part of the world, in violation of God's command for mankind to spread across the entire Earth.

So God confused the languages and everyone split off into groups and abandoned the project. So it had more to do with man not going according to God's plan to spread themselves across the entire planet than with them trying to reach the heavens. The latter being pointless since God is a spirit and therefor "Heaven" would actually be a spiritual place rather than a physical one.
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So, in hindsight, it actually was simple but the whole reaching Heaven bit was not the problem.
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Speaking of the Tower of Babel, why hasn't God struck us down for building airplanes? They go much higher and closer to "heaven" than any tower ever possibly could. Or heck spaceships...

So God strikes down man for building a tower to reach the heavens, even though a tower that tall is completely illogical in the first place, but yet we build airplanes and spaceships and God does not nothing?
God commanded humanity to spread across the Earth, but instead, most of them focused on trying to make a name for themselves in deliberate rebellion against Him. As the Creator, His Word is final, whether we like it or not...and disobedience has its consequences. I like what Jesse Duplantis said about Babel...

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sola fide?
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plenary indulgences?
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Isn't Jesse Duplantis a "prosperity gospel" guy. If so, it pretty much makes him a clown.
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Isn't Jesse Duplantis a "prosperity gospel" guy. If so, it pretty much makes him a clown.
What is "prosperity gospel"?
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God commanded humanity to spread across the Earth, but instead, most of them focused on trying to make a name for themselves in deliberate rebellion against Him. As the Creator, His Word is final, whether we like it or not...and disobedience has its consequences. I like what Jesse Duplantis said about Babel...

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What is "prosperity gospel"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosperity_theology

In short, the position and teaching that God wants you to be "prosperous", both in health and wealth, and that if you aren't, it is because you do not have enough faith. It is a common teaching of many/most televangelists.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosperity_theology

In short, the position and teaching that God wants you to be "prosperous", both in health and wealth, and that if you aren't, it is because you do not have enough faith.
With all those riches I thought The Vatican was Catholic. Silly me.
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