superdeluxe

jesus..so many areas that they could escape (highway/brdige, water)

Red Dog

Outside of jumping in the water, not really. The entire exterior is gated. But there are tons of buildings there where one could hide.

RoyalTea

At this point, how can they not know how many shooters? Aren't there tons of security cameras? Or was this enough of an inside job where people could take out the cameras?

CRM114

It sounds to me they got a glimpse of others with guns. It's most likely people who were armed and heard gunfire and reacted.

In a lot of these cases, it's not the news media. It's the insatiable need of the public to have every detail as it unfold instead of just waiting.

Artman

CNN reporting 12 dead now.

RoyalTea

Nationals game tonight still hasn't been cancelled.

If there are suspects at large, I don't know if it's a good idea to flood the area with 30,000 baseball fans.

General Zod

I agree. I'm sure there's a level of chaos there and lots of confusion. In a lot of these situation they talk about multiple shooters but in the end there usually turns out to only be one. Hopefully that's the case here.

Red Dog

Could be. The police have said the white male that they were seeking in connection to the shootings has been identified and is no longer a suspect.

kenbuzz

No, we don't typically install the type of surveillance cameras you're talking about in places like NAVSEA HQ. Too great a risk of capturing something classified.

I know a LOT of folks at the Yard. My entire organization here in Indiana is a part of NAVSEA and we're following the official NAVSEA postings here with a great deal of interest and dread. I hope everybody I know and work with are safe <strike>though I'm worried about one of my co-workers who was heading to the Yard today on TDY - he hasn't checked-in yet.</strike>



Updated to add: Checked-in. Not there. We're good.

Red Dog

Crane?

kenbuzz

Yep, unless there are other NAVSEA bases in Indiana.

RoyalTea

Nationals vs Braves has been postponed.

General Zod

Media reporting Aaron Alexis of Texas as a shooter - dead.

RoyalTea

DVD Polizei

Too bad security isn't "ramped up" all the time.

majorjoe23

Higher taxes it is!

RoyalTea

death toll up to 13

General Zod

If Obama had a son...

DVD Polizei

Red Dog

From what it sounds like, he used another person's badge. But like I said before, there's basically 2 checkpoints to get to where he was (with 2 badges necessary) - 1) the Navy Yard gate (you need a DoD CAC to gain entry) and 2) the NAVSEA electronic turnstile gates (where you use your NAVSEA badge) inside building 198.

For #1, the guard usually checks the card closely to see if the picture matches. So I'm curious if he had his own DoD CAC.

In my previous experience at NAVSEA, if you have a NAVSEA badge, you scan it and proceed through. The guard would not take a look at the badge to see if the picture matced so you could theoretically use anybody's badge. Now this was 6 years ago and I don't know if the SOP has changed.

wm lopez

Was it terrorism?

General Zod

That looks bad on a presidents resume... so it'll go down as a "workplace shooting" I'm sure.

TheKing

Boy, some people take their love for GTA just a little too far...

WCChiCubsFan

Wow only seven years removed from the incident, you were so close.

JasonF

Do we really need to turn this into yet another round of "Six Degrees of Why This Proves Obama Is Worse Than Hitler"?