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Is God A Moral Monster?

Old 08-06-13, 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by moviefan2k4 View Post
Which of my claims have been proven wrong on a visually observable and testable basis?
All of them, I think.
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Originally Posted by moviefan2k4 View Post
Which of my claims have been proven wrong on a visually observable and testable basis?
This is a serious rabbit hole, but let's start with...Master Dogs.
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Re: Is God A Moral Monster?

If I want to know what the answers to these questions are (read: the answers moviefan will find acceptable), all I need to do is visit a Christian apologetics website, and go to the section: "What do I answer if an atheist asks me this?"
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Re: Is God A Moral Monster?

Originally Posted by danwiz View Post
Yes to a religion/God sub-forum!
Herd them in two by two.
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Originally Posted by moviefan2k4 View Post
I do think for myself, but I'm not arrogant to believe all my answers are right.
Most, if not all, of your answers appear to be regurgitated from others. The number of times you post a youtube video for an answer, instead of what YOU believe, are countless.
Most of my posts are attempts to answer specific questions, or point out logical flaws in those which don't make sense.
Of which you believe all the answers your provide are correct. Any of the sources you cite are from people whose answers you believe are "right", thus you in turn think all your answers are right.

At some point, after you've gathered some knowledge (on both sides), you have to take it away and strip it all away and come to your own conclusions. I'm ever curious why you reject kvrdave's challenge to put away all these Youtube videos and other books and the such that are mostly getting in your way and focusing on your bible and relationship with God. It's baffling.
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I agree that a religion sub-forum should be established. These debates seem to be multiplying, and they are tiresome and pointless because few people are engaged in dialectics, i.e. logical, open-minded discussion in pursuit of truth.
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In times of fear and confusion in matters of religion, I find it best to turn to Creationist Cat

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This is a serious rabbit hole, but let's start with...Master Dogs.
If there are no Master Dogs how can there be a Master Dog Breed List? You, Señor Mallet - if that's even your real name - are nothing but a charlatan!
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By Jove, you're right! I've seen the light, praise the lawd!
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This is a serious rabbit hole, but let's start with...Master Dogs.
You know what I meant. Why is it so unreasonable to believe that two dogs could have existed a few thousand years ago, with enough genetic information to form all the varieties we see today?

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Most, if not all, of your answers appear to be regurgitated from others. The number of times you post a youtube video for an answer, instead of what YOU believe, are countless.
The videos I post depict most of what I believe. My interest in Christian apologetics began as an answer to prayer, and I think most points raised by people like Frank Turek and Ravi Zacharias are reasonable.

Of which you believe all the answers your provide are correct. Any of the sources you cite are from people whose answers you believe are "right", thus you in turn think all your answers are right.
That doesn't mean I have every correct answer, just some of them...and it also makes my stance no different from anyone else's on a basic level.

At some point, after you've gathered some knowledge (on both sides), you have to take it away and strip it all away and come to your own conclusions. I'm ever curious why you reject kvrdave's challenge to put away all these Youtube videos and other books and the such that are mostly getting in your way and focusing on your bible and relationship with God. It's baffling.
I wasn't aware of such a challenge, and I read such books to see if they make sense to me.
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You know what I meant. Why is it so unreasonable to believe that two dogs could have existed a few thousand years ago, with enough genetic information to form all the varieties we see today?
Because that's not how evolution works, for one thing.

But since you're such a fan of visually observable phenomena, can you tell me why you believe in so many things that can never ever be verified through visual observation? You believe that the Ark is exactly as described in the Bible, but you've never seen it. You believe in "master" animals, which aren't even in the Bible, plus you've never seen them. Yet you refuse to accept any scientific discipline that uses information beyond visual observation. Why is that?
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Re: Is God A Moral Monster?

Again? The baiting back and forth is just dumb.

Regardless of how post #1 was perceived, post #2 was just as lame.

What would a sub-forum solve? This is the big traffic here somehow that folks feel the need to jump on, go with it.
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I'm sorry I didn't meet The Cow's high posting standards.
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I'm sorry I didn't meet The Cow's high posting standards.
No standards. I have none.
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But I actually wasn't making a joke. If a person treated people the way god in the Bible treats people, they'd be considered a danger to society.
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Re: Is God A Moral Monster?

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And wm_lopez has returned.

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Hey Mallet, go read the first 3 issues of Clive Barker's Next Testament. You'll get a kick out of them.
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Well, I love Clive Barker, so I would probably enjoy it anyway.
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It is about the return of the Old Testament God. Pretty entertaining.
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Nice, I'll definitely check it out. Thanks!
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I love Clive Barker, too. Gotta peep those out.
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Re: Is God A Moral Monster?

Originally Posted by moviefan2k4 View Post
I posted this for those who actually want answers, instead of attacks.
That is not a goal, it is an excuse. Try again.
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Because that's not how evolution works, for one thing.
It depends on which definition you're using. Limited variation (a.k.a. "micro-evolution") follows that pattern precisely. Every time the same kind of animal reproduces, small changes take place within the newborn's DNA...but its severely limited.

But since you're such a fan of visually observable phenomena, can you tell me why you believe in so many things that can never ever be verified through visual observation? You believe that the Ark is exactly as described in the Bible, but you've never seen it. You believe in "master" animals, which aren't even in the Bible, plus you've never seen them. Yet you refuse to accept any scientific discipline that uses information beyond visual observation. Why is that?
Science can be used to support religious claims, but religion itself isn't science. Visually observable and testable data can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a global flood occurred, and there's many forms of evidence which support the validity of the New Testament.
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In other words, because you choose to believe it. Gotcha.

P.S. Evolution is all one system, there is no micro and macro. As I've said before, it's worth your time to take a community college course in biology. And physics. And chemistry. And geology. Basically, broaden your mind.

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