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Old 07-30-13, 08:23 PM
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Consequences of Adam and Eve, the Flood, et. al.

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It's always sad when an innocent child dies, especially from something accidental like this. My deepest prayers and condolences to her family and friends; may God bless them with all the peace and comfort they need.
But it was God who gave her the allergy in the first place.
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But it was God who gave her the allergy in the first place.
Wrong. Allergies were not a part of the original Creation, any more than earthquakes or tornadoes. The whole planet and everything on it was affected in some way by the Fall, and later the Flood.
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Wrong. Allergies were not a part of the original Creation, any more than earthquakes or tornadoes. The whole planet and everything on it was affected in some way by the Fall, and later the Flood.
You've got a (ridiculous) answer for everything.
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Originally Posted by moviefan2k4 View Post
Wrong. Allergies were not a part of the original Creation, any more than earthquakes or tornadoes. The whole planet and everything on it was affected in some way by the Fall, and later the Flood.
So, when God comes back from vacation he'll fix all this right?
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Wrong. Allergies were not a part of the original Creation, any more than earthquakes or tornadoes. The whole planet and everything on it was affected in some way by the Fall,
Eating from one tree caused all that? Must've been a peanut tree.

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and later the Flood.
And who caused the Flood? God! You just blamed Him for everything else. Prepare for His wrath!
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Originally Posted by moviefan2k4 View Post
Wrong. Allergies were not a part of the original Creation, any more than earthquakes or tornadoes. The whole planet and everything on it was affected in some way by the Fall, and later the Flood.
That God guy has a pretty good gig. He gets to take credit for all the good stuff but can never be blamed for anything bad! How can I get a job like that?
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That God guy has a pretty good gig. He gets to take credit for all the good stuff but can never be blamed for anything bad! How can I get a job like that?
Simple: you have to be the eternal, unmade Creator of everything in existence. And for the record, God gets blamed for wrong things all the time; it doesn't mean He caused or supports them.
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Eating from one tree caused all that? Must've been a peanut tree.
Eating from the tree wasn't the sin; disobeying God was. Humanity's first ambassadors chose themselves over God, and we've inherited the fallen consequences. Our souls have been granted undeserved grace through Christ, but this world still gets worse every day...as do our own bodies.

And who caused the Flood? God! You just blamed Him for everything else. Prepare for His wrath!
God brought the Flood forth, that's true...but He also gave humanity a full century to heed His warnings. There was plenty of room on the Ark for more people, but only Noah and his family listened. Everyone else perished because of their selfishness.

This does bring up an important question, though: can the Creator of all life commit murder?
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you sound retarded.
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That God guy has a pretty good gig. He gets to take credit for all the good stuff but can never be blamed for anything bad! How can I get a job like that?
Get into politics. Or become a CEO.
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Eating from the tree wasn't the sin; disobeying God was. Humanity's first ambassadors chose themselves over God, and we've inherited the fallen consequences. Our souls have been granted undeserved grace through Christ, but this world still gets worse every day...as do our own bodies.
Inheriting the consequences of Adam's and Eve's decision is hilariously idiotic. You can't blame the son for the actions of the father. You can only blame the son for the actions of the son. Blaming everyone for the actions of one is medieval backasswards thinking.

Also the idea that the world is getting worse every day is equally idiotic. People that believe that nonsense have zero knowledge of actual history. The world is much better today than it was thousands, heck even a hundred, years ago. Try and go live life as it was in medieval times or even the "wild wild west" of the 1800s and try to say with a straight face that life was better back then.


here was plenty of room on the Ark for more people, but only Noah and his family listened.
How do you know there was plenty of room? Were you there?

The story of Noah and the Ark has more holes than Swiss cheese.

So there were two of every animal supposedly. So Noah went to the North and South poles and got two penguins and two polar bears?

Do you even realize just how big the ark would have to be to hold two of every animal? Not even a large zoo has that many animals. The ark would have dwarfed the size of a zoo.

Not only that, but building an ark of that size would have been impossible with the tools they had back then. Just wood and a hammer isn't going to hold it together. It would have required steel construction.

Do you even realize how much animals eat? An elephant eats quite literally hundreds of pounds of food every day. Two elephants on an ark for over a month would literally eat tons and tons of food. And that's just the elephants alone without counting the rest of the animals. Where in the heck would they have had room to store all this food? And who fed them? Just Noah and his family? Yeah right. It takes a lot of people to feed a zoo full of animals. One family can't do it alone. Not to mention all the poop that would need shoveling too... Even with 24 hours per day there simply isn't enough time for one family to feed that many animals and shovel that much poop.

And what about the carnivorous animals like tigers? They would be chowing down on the other animals. Ever see Life of Pi? That's what being on the ark with tigers would have been like.
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Re: Girl, 13, dies in her fatherís arms from peanut allergy reaction

And I guess we are all descendants of Noah and his incestual family then?
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And I guess we are all descendants of Noah and his incestual family then?
Not to mention we were all descended from Adam and Eve and their incestual family before that...

Incest for the win!!! The Bible clearly implies its okay!!!
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And I guess we are all descendants of Noah and his incestual family then?
We were already decendants of incest from Adam and Eve's kids. Why worry about another round of incest?
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We were already decendants of incest from Adam and Eve's kids. Why worry about another round of incest?
And where did all the different ethnicities come from if we all descended from the same two people?
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Seriously? Does he have to derail every thread with his fucking nonsense?
To be fair.

His first post:

Originally Posted by moviefan2k4 View Post
It's always sad when an innocent child dies, especially from something accidental like this. My deepest prayers and condolences to her family and friends; may God bless them with all the peace and comfort they need.
Seems innocent, on topic, and well intended to me.

However, we then get:

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But it was God who gave her the allergy in the first place.
Which apparently necessitated:

Originally Posted by moviefan2k4 View Post
Wrong. Allergies were not a part of the original Creation, any more than earthquakes or tornadoes. The whole planet and everything on it was affected in some way by the Fall, and later the Flood.
Followed by:

Originally Posted by Other poster #2 View Post
You've got a (ridiculous) answer for everything.
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So, when God comes back from vacation he'll fix all this right?

And so on and so on. Perhaps with less antagonizing, there would be less derailment? Just a thought.
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And where did all the different ethnicities come from if we all descended from the same two people?
Don't ask me, I didn't come up with this shit.
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Inheriting the consequences of Adam's and Eve's decision is hilariously idiotic. You can't blame the son for the actions of the father. You can only blame the son for the actions of the son. Blaming everyone for the actions of one is medieval backwards thinking.
There was no one else who existed at that time, and God specifically told Adam & Eve they could have any other tree in that garden. They rebelled, and a terrible curse was triggered on the Earth, and everyone in it. God cast humanity from Eden so they wouldn't eat from the Tree of Life, and live forever in their fallen state.

Also the idea that the world is getting worse every day is equally idiotic. People that believe that nonsense have zero knowledge of actual history. The world is much better today than it was thousands, heck even a hundred, years ago. Try and go live life as it was in medieval times or even the "wild wild west" of the 1800s and try to say with a straight face that life was better back then.
There's far more natural disasters in the present, than there were back then.

How do you know there was plenty of room? Were you there?
No, but I know the One who was.

So there were two of every animal supposedly. So Noah went to the North and South poles and got two penguins and two polar bears?
Noah didn't collect the animals; God brought them all to the Ark shortly before the Flood. Also, no water-dwelling creatures were present, because they could survive just fine. Only land-dwellers with "the breath of life in their nostrils" were placed on the Ark.

Do you even realize just how big the ark would have to be to hold two of every animal? Not even a large zoo has that many animals. The ark would have dwarfed the size of a zoo.
According to the Bible, the Ark was 300 cubits long, 50 cubits wide, and 30 cubits high. That measurement was roughly the length from an adult man's inner elbow, to the tip of his middle finger. Mine is 17 inches, so for argument's sake, that would equal around 425 x 70.8 x 42.5 feet. We don't know how long the cubit was for Noah or his sons, but human skeletons have been found at 12 feet before; that would increase the numbers significantly.

Not only that, but building an ark of that size would have been impossible with the tools they had back then. Just wood and a hammer isn't going to hold it together. It would have required steel construction.
We can't know that for sure, because we don't know everything about construction methods of the time.

Do you even realize how much animals eat? An elephant eats quite literally hundreds of pounds of food every day. Two elephants on an ark for over a month would literally eat tons and tons of food. And that's just the elephants alone without counting the rest of the animals. Where in the heck would they have had room to store all this food? And who fed them? Just Noah and his family? Yeah right. It takes a lot of people to feed a zoo full of animals. One family can't do it alone. Not to mention all the poop that would need shoveling too... Even with 24 hours per day there simply isn't enough time for one family to feed that many animals and shovel that much poop.
Again, you're assuming every animal on that boat was a full-grown adult. Younger ones would require much less of all that you mentioned.

And what about the carnivorous animals like tigers? They would be chowing down on the other animals. Ever see Life of Pi? That's what being on the ark with tigers would have been like.
How do you know tigers were always carnivores? Some dinosaurs have huge teeth, but ate vegetables.
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Not to mention we were all descended from Adam and Eve and their incestual family before that...
There was no prior family to Adam & Eve; they were the first.

Incest for the win!!! The Bible clearly implies its okay!!!
There was no command from God regarding incest for over 2,000 years, until He spoke with Moses at Mount Sinai.
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How do you know tigers were always carnivores? Some dinosaurs have huge teeth, but ate vegetables.
Teeth size is not what tells us what they ate. It's teeth shape, and there are no obligate herbivores that have teeth like obligate carnivores.
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This might be the best (and most insane) thread yet. I'm all in on this one.
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Eating from the tree wasn't the sin; disobeying God was. Humanity's first ambassadors chose themselves over God, and we've inherited the fallen consequences.
How do you reconcile that with Deuteronomy 24:16?
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So there were two of every animal supposedly. So Noah went to the North and South poles and got two penguins and two polar bears?
TNoah didn't collect the animals; God brought them all to the Ark shortly before the Flood. Also, no water-dwelling creatures were present, because they could survive just fine. Only land-dwellers with "the breath of life in their nostrils" were placed on the Ark.
Are animals that can swim "water-dwelling?"

For how long can a polar bear or a penguin tread water?
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