Consequences of Adam and Eve, the Flood, et. al.
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Do you have real world friends that you hang out and do things with?
What kind of things do you like to do?
Do you live alone, or with others?

Have you seen different parts of the world, or even the US? If so, which?
What do you hope to do in the future?
I'm just trying to get a sense of who you are. You seem very sure of the information you put forth and I'm curious what kind of life experience you have, is all. It provides good context.
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I believe there was a Chick-fil-A on the ark.
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BTW, do you believe dinosaurs were on the ark? Did Noah sleep next to a T-Rex?
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A lot of stuff that was written in the Bible just sounds way too far-fetched to me. I bet a lot of those "miracles" could now be scientifically explained.
And there's nothing mentioned about dinosaurs. Yet, we keep finding their bones everywhere.
And there's nothing mentioned about dinosaurs. Yet, we keep finding their bones everywhere.
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People are telling you that even with modern day construction that the ark would have been impossible to build. Yet you somehow think that construction back then was better than it is today? Was Noah actually an alien and had access to UFO technology or something? I mean that's basically the only way the ark could have been built is with alien technology that we don't know about.
BTW, do you believe dinosaurs were on the ark? Did Noah sleep next to a T-Rex?
BTW, do you believe dinosaurs were on the ark? Did Noah sleep next to a T-Rex?
Even with our modern technology, we can't turn rods into serpents or part the Red Sea. But Moses didn't have modern technology, he had GodTech.
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BTW, do you believe dinosaurs were on the ark?
In the Book of Job, God describes two different creatures called Behemoth and Leviathan. The first has bones like steel, eats and stands under tall trees, and is so strong raging rivers don't budge him. He's described as "the chief" of God's creations, which many interpret to mean the biggest. The second is said to primarily live underwater, but also breathe fire. When you're dealing with the Creator of all existence, why are such things deemed ridiculous? Those who champion macro-evolution claim things happened billions of years ago which we don't see, but dragons are also fiction? C'mon...
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You think wood isn't going to rot in a 100 year timespan? The wood they had used at the beginning would have rotted away before they finished this 100 year long project.
They may "just needed to ride out the floods" but holding that whole thing together with just wood and keeping it from sinking would have been impossible even "just riding it out."
I think its possible. The word "dinosaur" wasn't coined until the 19th century; before that, people called them "dragons". Now, before you get all crazy on this, bear in mind that many different cultures around the globe have tales of dragons which go back multiple centuries. Even the Zodiac depicts 11 animals deemed real, and one "mythical" dragon. Is it possible that the Chinese believed dragons were real when that calendar was first done?
In the Book of Job, God describes two different creatures called Behemoth and Leviathan. The first has bones like steel, eats and stands under tall trees, and is so strong raging rivers don't budge him. He's described as "the chief" of God's creations, which many interpret to mean the biggest. The second is said to primarily live underwater, but also breathe fire. When you're dealing with the Creator of all existence, why are such things deemed ridiculous? Those who champion macro-evolution claim things happened billions of years ago which we don't see, but dragons are also fiction? C'mon...
In the Book of Job, God describes two different creatures called Behemoth and Leviathan. The first has bones like steel, eats and stands under tall trees, and is so strong raging rivers don't budge him. He's described as "the chief" of God's creations, which many interpret to mean the biggest. The second is said to primarily live underwater, but also breathe fire. When you're dealing with the Creator of all existence, why are such things deemed ridiculous? Those who champion macro-evolution claim things happened billions of years ago which we don't see, but dragons are also fiction? C'mon...
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I think its possible. The word "dinosaur" wasn't coined until the 19th century; before that, people called them "dragons". Now, before you get all crazy on this, bear in mind that many different cultures around the globe have tales of dragons which go back multiple centuries. Even the Zodiac depicts 11 animals deemed real, and one "mythical" dragon. Is it possible that the Chinese believed dragons were real when that calendar was first done?
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Yeah the official party line for the zealots is dinosaurs are a plot by evolutionists to disprove Christian dogma. They also claim dinosaur bones are fabricated and carbon dating is 100% inaccurate. moviefan obviously hasn't been reading his newsletters.
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My mom (a Mormon fundie) favored the 2nd one, if I recall.
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My epilepsy prevents me from having a full driver's license, and I don't trust myself behind the wheel anyway. I would like to qualify for a Class-M license, so I can drive a small moped or motorcycle. I'd like to visit a lot of places on the mainland I've never been to (New York, LA, Montana, Maine, South Dakota, etc.).
I was predominantly raised around hellfire types, which drove me away from God for a long time. I came back to Him around four years ago, and got interested in Christian apologetics. It's helped me to learn why I trust in Jesus, beyond just the Bible alone.
And it sounds like you had faith, but needed more than the Bible to...strengthen your faith? Let you accept your faith? You needed evidence to have faith? I'm not quite understanding why you needed more than the Bible and your relationship with Jesus.
BTW, thank you for answering the questions.
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As far as Jesus being a real figure or not, I've had a lot of ancient history from a really good prof who studied at Brown University and specializes in Catholic church and medieval history. Roman history, where most of the evidence would be, I had a semester on, under him. We also analyzed the first book of Genesis in one of his other classes. That was actually kind of fun 
I did a quick wikipedia hunt to refresh my memory on this (although history on Wikipedia varies from terrible to a mixed-bag).
Josephus has a tiny smidgeon in one of his writings, which was probably tampered with my Christians in the 11th century, so it's hard to tell what was originally there. But oddly he doesn't mention him in his Jewish War history from 20 years before, which you would expect, as he covers that time period (and Pilate) without mentioning Jesus. Tacitus probably talks about him too, but he wrote after Jesus supposedly died (like 20 or 30 years).
I didn't read Josephus myself though, nor am I highly qualified, having only a B.A. in History...I'm not exactly a scholar. (I read a good hunk of one of Livy's histories as my reading-of-choice when I studied Roman history).
I dunno. I think there's enough evidence that he was a real character of some sort, probably a good philosopher-preacher of some sort. That said, other myths are probably piled in /garbled with the Jesus myth also.
I really should read a book on this, perhaps. It comes up a lot.
As far as the Ark - I can't believe no one has brought up the Epic of Gilgamesh - clearly the kernel of myth/truth inside of the Noah flood myth. I don't see how a rational person reads the Gilgamesh story and doesn't see that that is why we have the Noah myth.

I did a quick wikipedia hunt to refresh my memory on this (although history on Wikipedia varies from terrible to a mixed-bag).
Josephus has a tiny smidgeon in one of his writings, which was probably tampered with my Christians in the 11th century, so it's hard to tell what was originally there. But oddly he doesn't mention him in his Jewish War history from 20 years before, which you would expect, as he covers that time period (and Pilate) without mentioning Jesus. Tacitus probably talks about him too, but he wrote after Jesus supposedly died (like 20 or 30 years).
I didn't read Josephus myself though, nor am I highly qualified, having only a B.A. in History...I'm not exactly a scholar. (I read a good hunk of one of Livy's histories as my reading-of-choice when I studied Roman history).
I dunno. I think there's enough evidence that he was a real character of some sort, probably a good philosopher-preacher of some sort. That said, other myths are probably piled in /garbled with the Jesus myth also.
I really should read a book on this, perhaps. It comes up a lot.
As far as the Ark - I can't believe no one has brought up the Epic of Gilgamesh - clearly the kernel of myth/truth inside of the Noah flood myth. I don't see how a rational person reads the Gilgamesh story and doesn't see that that is why we have the Noah myth.
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As far as Jesus being a real figure or not, I've had a lot of ancient history from a really good prof who studied at Brown University and specializes in Catholic church and medieval history. Roman history, where most of the evidence would be, I had a semester on.
I did a quick wikipedia hunt to refresh my memory on this (although history on Wikipedia varies from terrible to a mixed-bag).
Josephus has a tiny smidgeon in one of his writings, which was probably tampered with my Christians in the 11th century, so it's hard to tell what was originally there. But oddly he doesn't mention him in his Jewish War history from 20 years before, which you would expect, as he covers that time period (and Pilate) without mentioning Jesus.
I didn't read Josephus myself though, nor am I highly qualified, having only a B.A. in History...I'm not exactly a scholar. (I read a good hunk of one of Livy's histories as my reading-of-choice when I studied Roman history).
I dunno. I think there's enough evidence that he was a real character of some sort, probably a good philosopher-preacher of some sort. That said, other myths are probably piled in /garbled with the Jesus myth also.
I really should read a book on this, perhaps. It comes up a lot.
As far as the Ark - I can't believe no one has brought up the Epic of Gilgamesh - clearly the kernel of myth/truth inside of the Noah flood myth. I don't see how a rational person reads the Gilgamesh story and doesn't see that that is why we have the Noah myth.
I did a quick wikipedia hunt to refresh my memory on this (although history on Wikipedia varies from terrible to a mixed-bag).
Josephus has a tiny smidgeon in one of his writings, which was probably tampered with my Christians in the 11th century, so it's hard to tell what was originally there. But oddly he doesn't mention him in his Jewish War history from 20 years before, which you would expect, as he covers that time period (and Pilate) without mentioning Jesus.
I didn't read Josephus myself though, nor am I highly qualified, having only a B.A. in History...I'm not exactly a scholar. (I read a good hunk of one of Livy's histories as my reading-of-choice when I studied Roman history).
I dunno. I think there's enough evidence that he was a real character of some sort, probably a good philosopher-preacher of some sort. That said, other myths are probably piled in /garbled with the Jesus myth also.
I really should read a book on this, perhaps. It comes up a lot.
As far as the Ark - I can't believe no one has brought up the Epic of Gilgamesh - clearly the kernel of myth/truth inside of the Noah flood myth. I don't see how a rational person reads the Gilgamesh story and doesn't see that that is why we have the Noah myth.
Gilgamesh only proves that someone wrote down a flood account before the oral traditions of the Bible were finally commited to written form. I could easily say Gilgamesh stole from the Noah story.
And to this date, no one has ever given me a satisfactory answer to explain why there are flood stories in numerous ancient civilizations all over the world all sharing specific details common with the Biblical account.
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Because irrigation was primitive, ancient cities were almost always built on or near large rivers. The close proximity to water would mean that floods were a very common occurrence in ancient history.
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