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Old 07-22-13, 04:56 PM
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15 Shocking Florida Stand Your Ground Cases

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3606405.html

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Old 07-22-13, 05:50 PM
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Re: 15 Shocking Florida Stand Your Ground Cases

Some of those are insane.
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Man Fires At Utility Workers Collecting Unpaid Bills, 2009Miami's Ernesto Che Vino fired at two Florida Power & Light workers that entered his yard to cut power to due to unpaid bills.

A judge tossed out two counts of armed assault and one count of improper exhibition of a firearm, saying that under Stand Your Ground, Vino had reasonable fear for his life.


Now do you think this is a problem with the law as written or a judge so stupid that he should be killed for the good of all humanity?
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Re: 15 Shocking Florida Stand Your Ground Cases

My favorite:

Greyston Garcia saw Pedro Roteta stealing a stereo from his truck in Miami. He pursued Roteta who swung a bag of car stereos at Garcia, according to surveillance video. Garcia then fatally stabbed Roteta, went home, hid the knife, and sold two of the stolen stereos.

A Miami-Dade judge cited the "stand your ground" law in dismissing the case against Garcia.

Months later, Garcia was killed by a stray bullet in a random Liberty City shoot-out.
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Man Fires At Utility Workers Collecting Unpaid Bills, 2009Miami's Ernesto Che Vino fired at two Florida Power & Light workers that entered his yard to cut power to due to unpaid bills.

A judge tossed out two counts of armed assault and one count of improper exhibition of a firearm, saying that under Stand Your Ground, Vino had reasonable fear for his life.


Now do you think this is a problem with the law as written or a judge so stupid that he should be killed for the good of all humanity?
Of course that isn't the entire story, and the guy never fired his gun at the workers. The guy woke up, heard a couple guys on his property, and then escorted them off his property while carrying a gun. Judge determined that he was in fear and didn't know who the two guys were utility workers.
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Of course that isn't the entire story, and the guy never fired his gun at the workers. The guy woke up, heard a couple guys on his property, and then escorted them off his property while carrying a gun. Judge determined that he was in fear and didn't know who the two guys were utility workers.
So it was just another total lie by the media. How can they get away with just printing anything they want? They make hearst look ethical.
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So, if I lived in Florida, I would be able to gun down any Jehovah's Witnesses who visit my house by claiming the following?

"I opened my door, and saw two people standing there. One of them raised his hand, which I believed contained a weapon. I emptied my automatic into him and his buddy, then reloaded and continued (just to be sure). When I looked down, that's when I realized it was only a pamphlet. Only then did a feel a little guily for shooting him 6 times in the head."
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So, if I lived in Florida, I would be able to gun down any Jehovah's Witnesses who visit my house by claiming the following?

"I opened my door, and saw two people standing there. One of them raised his hand, which I believed contained a weapon. I emptied my automatic into him and his buddy, then reloaded and continued (just to be sure). When I looked down, that's when I realized it was only a pamphlet. Only then did a feel a little guily for shooting him 6 times in the head."
Several states have SYG laws, not just FL. I'm going assume the rest of your post was a joke even though there wasn't a smilie.
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Many states have enacted “stand your ground” laws that remove the duty to retreat before using force in self-defense. The following is a list of states with stand your ground laws on the books. This list is limited to those states whose legislatures have gone through the process of enacting laws that specifically affirm an individual’s right to stand their ground when defending themselves against a threat. Other states may have adopted a stand your ground doctrine through judicial interpretation of their self-defense laws, but those states are not included in this list.

<ul><li><a href="http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/alcode/13A/3/2/13A-3-23">Alabama</a>
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<a href="http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/13/00411.htm&amp;Title=13&amp;DocType=ARS">Arizona</a>
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<a href="http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?mode=View%20Statutes&amp;SubMenu=1&amp;App_mode=Display_Statute&amp;Search_String=776.012& amp;URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.012.html">Florida</a>
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<a href="http://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2010/title-16/chapter-3/article-2/16-3-23-1/">Georgia</a>
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<li><a href="http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/incode/35/41/3/35-41-3-2">Indiana</a>
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<li><a href="http://www.lrc.ky.gov/KRS/503-00/050.PDF">Kentucky</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.legis.state.la.us/lss/lss.asp?doc=78338">Louisiana</a>
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<a href="http://law.justia.com/codes/mississippi/2010/title-97/3/97-3-15/">Mississippi</a>
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<li><a href="http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/mca/45/3/45-3-110.htm">Montana</a>
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<a href="http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-200.html#NRS200Sec120">Nevada</a>
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<li><a href="http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/RSA/html/LXII/627/627-4.htm">New
Hampshire</a></li>
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<a href="http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/os/os_21-1289.25.rtf">Oklahoma</a>
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<a href="http://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/LI/CT/HTM/18/00.005.005.000..HTM">Pennsylvania</a>
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<a href="http://law.justia.com/codes/tennessee/2010/title-39/chapter-11/part-6/39-11-611/">Tennessee</a>
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<li><a href="http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/txstatutes/PE/2/9/C/9.31">Texas</a>
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<li><a href="http://le.utah.gov/~code/TITLE76/htm/76_02_040200.htm">Utah</a>
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Re: 15 Shocking Florida Stand Your Ground Cases

So many states and so many rules. Why does killing someone have to be so complicated?
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Of course that isn't the entire story, and the guy never fired his gun at the workers. The guy woke up, heard a couple guys on his property, and then escorted them off his property while carrying a gun. Judge determined that he was in fear and didn't know who the two guys were utility workers.
Except that isn't the entire story either. The guy did fire his gun, just into the air... and after he'd escorted them off his property. It seems a little odd that he'd feel the need to fire his weapon after they were off his premises, but whatever. I'm sure the judge threw it out because nobody was ultimately hurt even though the homeowner overreacted.
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Except that isn't the entire story either. The guy did fire his gun, just into the air... and after he'd escorted them off his property. It seems a little odd that he'd feel the need to fire his weapon after they were off his premises, but whatever. I'm sure the judge threw it out because nobody was ultimately hurt even though the homeowner overreacted.
and for that he was charged for unlawfully discharging a weapon in public.
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So many states and so many rules. Why does killing someone have to be so complicated?
Actually its pretty easy. You lure the person u want to attack to your property then bamm "state your ground"
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Except that isn't the entire story either. The guy did fire his gun, just into the air... and after he'd escorted them off his property. It seems a little odd that he'd feel the need to fire his weapon after they were off his premises, but whatever. I'm sure the judge threw it out because nobody was ultimately hurt even though the homeowner overreacted.
The summery does not mention that the two workers used a ladder to scale a locked gate and fence surrounding the man's property, which helps explain his initial reaction to them. The judge found that his actions were legal under self defense law up until the point he ID'd the men.

The summary says he fired "at" the workers, which nobody claimed. The workers, who were in uniform, claimed even after they identified themselves he continued brandishing the fire arm in a threatening manner while escorting them off the property. The defendant denied this. I think the shot fired after they left the property, which all agree was fired into the air, backs up the workers version of events, but that apparently wasn't enough for the judge.
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