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Egyptian Uprisings II: Morsi Style!

Old 06-30-13, 03:20 PM
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Wow, getting intense again in Egypt. We can only hope it doesn't get to the point where Obama would actually have to voice support for the secular groups over the Muslim Brotherhood.


Egyptians flood streets to force Mursi out

By Shaimaa Fayed and Yasmine Saleh

CAIRO | Sun Jun 30, 2013 3:46pm EDT


(Reuters) - Hundreds of thousands of Egyptians flooded into the streets on the first anniversary of Islamist President Mohamed Mursi's inauguration on Sunday to demand that he resign in the biggest challenge so far to rule by his Muslim Brotherhood.

Waving national flags and chanting "Get out!", a crowd of more than 200,000 massed on Cairo's central Tahrir Square. It was the largest demonstration since the 2011 uprising that overthrew Mursi's predecessor, Hosni Mubarak.

"The people want the fall of the regime!" they shouted, echoing the Arab Spring rallying cry that brought down Mubarak - this time yelling it not against an ageing dictator but against the first elected leader in Egypt's 5,000-year recorded history.

While the main protests were peaceful, at least one Mursi supporter was shot dead and 37 people injured in fighting in the town of Beni Suef, south of Cairo, and dozens suffered gunshot wounds during an attack on a Muslim Brotherhood office in Housh Eissa, in the northern Nile Delta.

The Brotherhood's national headquarters in a Cairo suburb also came under attack from militants hurling petrol bombs and rocks and firing shotguns.

The liberal opposition National Salvation Front coalition declared victory in what it styled "Revolutionary Communique No. 1" saying the masses had "confirmed the downfall of the regime of Mohamed Mursi and the Muslim Brotherhood".

Organizers called on demonstrators to continue to occupy central squares in every city until Mursi quits. The Tahrir Square crowd roared with approval as an army helicopter hovering overhead dropped Egyptian flags on the protesters.

A military source said the move was intended to promote patriotism and was not a gesture of political support.

Many demonstrators bellowed their anger at the Brotherhood, which they accuse of hijacking the revolution and using electoral victories to monopolize power and impose Islamic law.

Others, including some who said they had voted for Mursi, have been alienated by a deepening economic crisis and worsening personal security, aggravated by a political deadlock over which he has presided. Even some Islamists have disavowed Mursi.

As the working day ended and 38 Celsius (100 Fahrenheit) heat eased, throngs of protesters converged on Tahrir Square through the eerily shuttered city centre, while smaller crowds protested in several other locations in the capital.

The veteran leaders of Egypt's secular, liberal and left-wing opposition, including former chief of the U.N. nuclear watchdog Mohamed ElBaradei and leftist presidential candidate Hamdeen Sabahi, joined protest marches in Cairo.

A Reuters journalist said hundreds of thousands of anti-government protesters marched through the Mediterranean port of Alexandria, Egypt's second city, and a military source reported protests in at least 20 towns around the country.

Mursi, an engineering professor propelled from obscurity to power by the Brotherhood, was monitoring events from the heavily guarded Qubba presidential palace, where a presidency spokesman appealed for the demonstrations to remain peaceful.

A senior Brotherhood politician, Essam El-Erian, denounced the protests as a "coup attempt".

In a statement on the group's website, he challenged the opposition to test public opinion in parliamentary elections instead of "simply massing people in violent demonstrations, thuggery or shedding the precious blood of Egyptians".

LEGITIMACY

Security sources said three Brotherhood offices were set on fire by demonstrators in towns in the Nile Delta - the latest in more than a week of sporadic violence in which hundreds of people have been hurt and several killed, including an American student.

More than 20,000 supporters of Mursi congregated outside a Cairo mosque not far from the main presidential palace, where a much bigger anti-Mursi sit-in swelled from Sunday evening.

Interviewed by a British newspaper, Mursi voiced his resolve to ride out what he sees as an undemocratic attack on his electoral legitimacy. He offered to revise the Islamist-inspired constitution, saying clauses on religious authority, which fuelled liberal resentment, were not his choice.

He made a similar offer last week, after the head of the army issued a strong call for politicians to compromise. But the opposition dismissed it as too little to late. They hope Mursi will resign in the face of large numbers on the streets.

Some Egyptians believe the army may force the president's hand, if not to quit then at least to make substantial concessions to the opposition.

In Cairo, demonstrators stopped to shake hands and take photographs with soldiers guarding key buildings. At least six high-ranking police officers took to the Tahrir Square podium in support of demonstrators, a Reuters witness said.

The armed forces used helicopters to monitor the protests in Cairo and Alexandria and a military source said chief-of-staff and Defence Minister General Abdel Fattah al-Sisi was following the situation from a special operations room.

Mursi and the Brotherhood hope the protests will fizzle as previous outbursts did in December and January. If not, some form of compromise, possibly arbitrated by the army, may be on the cards.

VIOLENCE

Both sides insist they plan no violence but accuse the other - and agents provocateurs from the old regime - of planning it.

The U.S.-equipped army shows little sign of wanting power but warned last week it may have to step in if deadlocked politicians let violence slip out of control.

U.S. President Barack Obama called for dialogue and warned trouble in the most populous Arab nation could unsettle an already turbulent region. Washington has evacuated non-essential personnel and reinforced security at diplomatic missions.

In his interview with Britain's Guardian newspaper, Mursi repeated accusations that what he sees as entrenched interests from the Mubarak era are plotting to foil his attempt to govern. He dismissed the demands that he give up and resign.

If that became the norm, he said, "well, there will be people or opponents opposing the new president too, and a week or a month later, they will ask him to step down".

Liberal leaders say nearly half the voting population - 22 million people - has signed a petition calling for new elections, although there is no obvious challenger to Mursi.

Religious authorities have warned of "civil war". The army insists it will respect the "will of the people", though the two sides have opposing views of what that means. To the Brotherhood, that means the result of elections. To the opposition, that means the demands of popular protests.

Having staged shows of force earlier this month, the Brotherhood did not call on its supporters to go out on Sunday.

The army, half a million strong and financed by Washington since it backed a peace treaty with Israel three decades ago, says it has deployed to protect key installations.

Among these is the Suez Canal. Cities along the waterway vital to global trade are bastions of anti-government sentiment. A bomb killed a protester in Port Said on Friday. A police general was gunned down in Sinai, close to the Israeli border.

(Reporting by Asma Alsharif, Alexander Dziadosz, Shaimaa Fayed, Maggie Fick, Alastair Macdonald, Shadia Nasralla, Tom Perry, Paul Taylor and Yasmine Saleh in Cairo, Yusri Mohamed in Ismailia and Abdelrahman Youssef in Alexandria; Writing by Alastair Macdonald and Paul Taylor; Editing by Peter Graff)
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Protests now bigger than ones that ousted Mubarak, army issues 48 hour deadline, possible coup in the works.

Egypt forces arrest Brotherhood leader's guards: sources

Mon, 01/07/2013 - 19:00


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Egyptian security forces arrested 15 armed bodyguards of senior Muslim Brotherhood leader Khairat El-Shater on Monday after an exchange of fire in which no one was injured, security sources said.

Shater's family telephoned Al-Jazeera television station to report that his home was under police attack.

The sources said security forces were involved in an exchange of fire with the guards after going to arrest them for alleged unlawful possession of firearms.

Shater's whereabouts were not immediately known. He is widely regarded as the strongest personality in the Islamist movement, but who was barred from running for president last year because he had been jailed under toppled ex-President Hosni Mubarak's authoritarian rule.

The incident occurred on a day when the armed forces issued an ultimatum to Islamist President Mohamed Mursi to agree within 48 hours on a power-sharing consensus with opposition parties or face more direct military intervention.

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I remember Morsi passing laws which, some argued, allegedly diminished the powers of the military. This is clearly not the case. Without the support of the military, Morsi/the Muslim Brotherhood, won't be able to hold on to power.
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Egyptian Uprisings II: Morsi Style!

Enough going on over there to warrant its own thread.

Protesters gathering outside the Presidential palace, military giving ultimatums to Morsi, Morsi claiming he will ignore them, a whole host of cabinet resignations, and much much more. Seems like a worthy sequel, but how does this one end?

More importantly to me, how does the US administration respond over the next couple of days?





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Watched an episode of Vice about these events. Seems this is a secular uprising furious about the Muslim power grab after the last uprising. Is that accurate?
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Originally Posted by spainlinx0 View Post
Watched an episode of Vice about these events. Seems this is a secular uprising furious about the Muslim power grab after the last uprising. Is that accurate?
Not sure that characterising it a a secular uprising is wholly accurate, though it certainly is part of it. The opposition is upset about the Morsi government's autocratic and exclusionary policies, along with the worsening economic situation in the country. I think many Egyptians gave the new government a little bit of a chance after the last elections, but it was the passage of an Islamist constitution in November that really upset many Egyptians, especially the younger generations.

I think it more about how religious and how inclusionary should the government be. And about money.
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Originally Posted by spainlinx0 View Post
Watched an episode of Vice about these events. Seems this is a secular uprising furious about the Muslim power grab after the last uprising. Is that accurate?
I would say partly. I think the protestors consist of liberal/secular Sunnis, as well as Christians, Shia Muslims, Islamists who think Morsi isn't Islamist enough, and people who supported Morsi's positions, but are just unhappy with the deteriorating economic and social conditions.
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Here is the countdown of the military's ultimatum: http://morsitimer.com/


The first publicised coup?
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I don't see how Morsi stays in power with the military opposing him. At worst, Egypt is headed toward a protracted civil war, but hopefully, this ends with a relatively bloodless coup followed by a new (civilian) government.

What I want to know is whether there is any realistic chance Egypt ends up with a Constitution that provides protections for religious minorities?
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"Panic on the streets on Cairo"
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I don't see how Morsi stays in power with the military opposing him. At worst, Egypt is headed toward a protracted civil war, but hopefully, this ends with a relatively bloodless coup followed by a new (civilian) government.

What I want to know is whether there is any realistic chance Egypt ends up with a Constitution that provides protections for religious minorities?
There is supposedly a plan, either already in place are about to be, whereby SCAF will suspend the constitution and disband parliament, calling for new elections. So I agree, he can't stay in power.

I don't however think a civil war is in the offing. Call me an optimist.


And while I do think such a protective constitution could be enacted, and possible even embraced by a majority of Egyptians, I do fear that time may have passed.
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But to play devil's advocate here, the Muslim Brotherhood did win in reasonably free and fair elections. What kind of democracy can you have when even the secular moderates aren't going to accept the results of an election and wait their turn for peaceful transfer of power?
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What I want to know is whether there is any realistic chance Egypt ends up with a Constitution that provides protections for religious minorities?
I think there's a 100% chance of that. Protections for religious minorities have always been enshrined in Egypt's constitutions, and no doubt will be in the future.
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bloodless coup
All smotherings.
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But to play devil's advocate here, the Muslim Brotherhood did win in reasonably free and fair elections. What kind of democracy can you have when even the secular moderates aren't going to accept the results of an election and wait their turn for peaceful transfer of power?
He won, but then didn't he basically give himself dictatorial power? That's not exactly going to lead to future free and fair elections.
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Morsi vowed to stay in power, and "that he will stand guardian to legitimacy".
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He won, but then didn't he basically give himself dictatorial power? That's not exactly going to lead to future free and fair elections.
I'm sure that was the long-term plan, as the Muslim Brotherhood doesn't have any real ideological affinity for true democracy--but I don't know that he had actually made too many concrete steps to really take over as dictator and cancel future elections.

To be honest, I haven't followed all his moves that closely.
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Reports of over twenty dead in clashes between Morsi supporters and protesters.
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Military coup is underway according to NBC
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The Syrian Gov't doesn't support Mursi.

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Syria says Mursi must realize Egyptians don't want him

BEIRUT (Reuters) - The Syrian government, fighting to crush a two-year-old uprising against President Bashar al-Assad that started with peaceful calls for reform, said on Wednesday Egyptian President Mohamed Mursi should step down for the sake of his country.

Relishing the possible downfall of one of Assad's most vocal critics, Syrian television carried live coverage of the huge street demonstrations in Egypt demanding Mursi's departure.

"(Egypt's) crisis can be overcome if Mohamed Mursi realizes that the overwhelming majority of the Egyptian people reject him and are calling on him to go," Information Minister Omran Zoabi was quoted as saying by the state news agency SANA.

He also called on Egyptians to stand against the "terrorism and threats" of Mursi's Muslim Brotherhood supporters.

The Syrian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood is one of the most powerful factions behind the mostly Sunni Muslim uprising against Assad, who belongs to the Alawite sect, an offshoot of Shi'ite Islam, and is being helped by Lebanon's Shi'ite Hezbollah militia.

Mursi has expressed support for foreign intervention against Assad and attended a rally two weeks ago calling for holy war in Syria.

A month ago, Syria responded to a wave of protests against Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan, another fierce opponent of Assad, by calling on him to halt what it said was violent repression and step aside.

(Reporting by Dominic Evans; Editing by Raissa Kasolowsky)
The military will take over. Strangely enough Egyptians probably trust them more than any political faction's political leader. How can you put anyone in power who really represents all of Egypt?
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Military coup is underway according to NBC
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State run media is making reports that Mursi (Morsy) is not in the decision making circle anymore.
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The Syrian Gov't doesn't support Mursi.
I had to double-check to make sure that wasn't a link from The Onion.
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It is over. For now.
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I'm shocked by this news. Chaos in the Middle East? Never thought I'd see the day.
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Early elections will be called. Chief Justice of Constitutional court will possess presidential powers until elections and new government is formed.
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