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Long-term (i.e. 2016), will the IRS and AP "scandals" help or hurt the GOP?

Old 05-24-13, 11:49 PM
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Long-term (i.e. 2016), will the IRS and AP "scandals" help or hurt the GOP?

Short-term (i.e. 2014), these so-called scandals may provide a direct boost to the Republicans, but my GUESS is that they will result in indirect harm in the long-term (i.e. 2016). The Republicans have taken their eye off the ball. They need to attract minority voters by making meaningful changes to their platform (e.g. softening their positions on welfare and immigration), but many party members, especially far-right ones, have been looking for any excuse to abandon that project. Now they've found a handful of excuses, and it seems a foregone conclusion that the party will settle for superficial changes.

In short, Republicans are going to pander to their far-right base (again) and neglect minority needs and desires (again). And come 2016, they will be shocked (again).

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Old 05-25-13, 07:03 AM
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I think that the republican party has lost enough credibility that these scandals won't gain the traction they could have otherwise. Between catering too much to fringe ideas and their complete inability to govern at all (let alone compromise) they don't have the political capital to make any of this stick.
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"so-called scandals"

They won't help the GOP because Obama isn't running for President in 2016.
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Re: Long-term (i.e. 2016), will the IRS and AP "scandals" help or hurt the GOP?

Originally Posted by Rockmjd23 View Post
"so-called scandals"

They won't help the GOP because Obama isn't running for President in 2016.
they might try and run some ads about them against the Dem but really ... it's 3 years away, people aren't even going to remember these scandals. Some might, most won't.
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Re: Long-term (i.e. 2016), will the IRS and AP "scandals" help or hurt the GOP?

No effect.

Even if the party faithful were still bringing up Travelgate during the 2012 election, no one else cared.

Besides, nobody ever said that the Bush administration was fond of civil liberties. No one sensible from either side is going to claim that our authoritarian president was better than your authoritarian president.
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No effect.

Even if the party faithful were still bringing up Travelgate during the 2012 election, no one else cared.

Besides, nobody ever said that the Bush administration was fond of civil liberties. No one sensible from either side is going to claim that our authoritarian president was better than your authoritarian president.
No one sensible.

This is the party that calls Benghazi the worst scandal in American history.

If anything, they'll actually make things worse for themselves in trying to make hay over these scandals.
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Re: Long-term (i.e. 2016), will the IRS and AP "scandals" help or hurt the GOP?

This will help the GOP slightly in 2016. The 2016 election will come down to who the two candidates are, the Dems start off with an edge having won the last 2, but if the GOP comes up with a really good candidate, they will have a good chance of winning. If they come up with another "my turn" candidate (Dole, McCain, Romney), they are toast.

With that said, if any of the current scandals truly blows up into a major scandal with a direct tie to Obama, who knows.
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Nobody is going to remember this a few months from now, so it won't benefit Republicans at all. Especially in 2016. Once healthcare hits Americans in 2014, that will be the only subject on Voters' minds. Healthcare will be the Democrat Downfall in 2016, because Americans will still be paying their damn hospital bills when election time comes around.

Republicans have an easy win. Just ride it and basically wait until late 2014, when nobody can afford health insurance. Then swoop in and propose a massive reform to the Monkey President Healthcare Plan.
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Republicans have an easy win. Just ride it and basically wait until late 2014, when nobody can afford health insurance. Then swoop in and propose a massive reform to the Monkey President Healthcare Plan.
Uhhh, wtf?
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^ Agreed, this should be interesting...
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Republicans have an easy win. Just ride it and basically wait until late 2014, when nobody can afford health insurance. Then swoop in and propose a massive reform to the Monkey President Healthcare Plan.
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Then swoop in and propose a massive reform to the Monkey President Healthcare Plan.
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Originally Posted by WallyOPD View Post
Uhhh, wtf?
He's talking about G.W. Bush, who was often caricatured as a chimpanzee.
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This is the party that calls Benghazi the worst scandal in American history.
Because, as Michael Moore says, "Republicans hate America".

Re: the question: Short term help in mid-terms, no effect on Presidential election unless some smoking gun were uncovered.
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This will help the GOP slightly in 2016. The 2016 election will come down to who the two candidates are, the Dems start off with an edge having won the last 2, but if the GOP comes up with a really good candidate, they will have a good chance of winning. If they come up with another "my turn" candidate (Dole, McCain, Romney), they are toast.

With that said, if any of the current scandals truly blows up into a major scandal with a direct tie to Obama, who knows.
Pretty much this. I think the candidates are more important than either of these issues. Of course, if Hillary is nominated, we will only hear about Benghazi.
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Pretty much this. I think the candidates are more important than either of these issues. Of course, if Hillary is nominated, we will only hear about Benghazi.
To be fair, Benghazi will be more relevant to the 2016 election than Travelgate or Vince Foster.
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Re: Long-term (i.e. 2016), will the IRS and AP "scandals" help or hurt the GOP?

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To be fair, Benghazi will be more relevant to the 2016 election than Travelgate or Vince Foster.
Frankly I wish it would destroy any thought for her to even consider running but as incompetent as Obama has been at his job so many people still love him so I don't hold out much hope for that. I don't know that it will be that big of an issue.

As for 2016, with the exception of Benghazi I don't see the others having much effect as Obama (Thank God for Amendment 22) wont be running. What will effect the Democrats is how bad things are going to be once Obamacare starts taking effect. The Democrats in Congress and even the Unions are starting to see what a (to quote Max Baucus) train wreck its going to be.

The thing that really sucks is the only alternative to a sorry ass Democrat is an almost as sorry ass Republican......
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Re: Long-term (i.e. 2016), will the IRS and AP "scandals" help or hurt the GOP?

It won't help either party in elections, but it will help both parties whenever they get elected because the bar for what constitutes something we should be concerned about has been lowered even further.
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I think the IRS is long overdue for a total collapse. There's thousands of pages in the current U.S. Tax Code, and I highly doubt any of these lawmakers bother reading it before adding things.
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The GOP is no longer "The Boy Who Cried Wolf," now "The Stepdad Who Goes Apeshit About Everything."



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When is Hillary's inauguration scheduled for again?

No effect.
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When is Hillary's inauguration scheduled for again?
January 20, 2009. Wait, nevermind, that's what was promised 8 years ago.
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Hillary did do well to get out, though. I think being associated with this administration will not help anyone. They may not think any of this stuff is really bad, but they may just be tired of it all. Hard to say if she will be distanced enough, though.
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Yeah, the same 47% of the people tired of Obama's shenanigans the first time will be tired of him again. I wonder if Hillary will remodel the Oval Office?
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