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Old 05-01-13, 06:03 PM
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California to confiscate guns from criminals, mentally ill

Gov. Brown OKs funds to confiscate guns from criminals, mentally ill

SACRAMENTO -- Gov. Jerry Brown on Wednesday signed legislation aimed at taking handguns and assault rifles away from 20,000 Californians who acquired them legally but have since been disqualified from ownership because of a criminal conviction or serious mental illness.

The measure, the first of several gun-related bills to reach the governor, allocates $24 million in surplus funds to hire dozens of additional special agents to tackle a backlog of 40,000 weapons in the hands of people not allowed to possess firearms.

“This bipartisan bill makes our communities safer by giving law enforcement the resources they need to get guns out of the hands of potentially dangerous individuals,” said Evan Westrup, a spokesman for the governor.

The state operates a database that cross-references a list of gun owners with those disqualified later from owning guns. But, budget cuts have prevented the state Department of Justice from keeping up with the growing number of people on the list.

State Sen. Mark Leno (D-San Francisco) introduced SB 140, which takes the money from fees paid when people buy guns and allocates it to a three-year campaign to take guns from those ineligible to have them.

“We know for the safety of our communities that these people should not possess guns, and our reinvestment in this tracking program gives us the opportunity to confiscate them,” Leno said in a statement.

The measure was opposed by Sam Paredes, executive director of Gun Owners of California, who said it should be paid for by the state general fund.

"Going after criminals is a good thing, but the way they are paying for it is grossly unfair," Paredes said. "They are putting the entire burden on the back of law-abiding gun purchasers."

The measure, supported by state Atty. Gen. Kamala Harris, is one of more than a dozen gun-control bills introduced in the California Legislature following the massacre of 20 children and six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut.

“California is leading the nation in a common-sense effort to protect public safety by taking guns away from dangerous, violent individuals who are prohibited by law from owning them,” Harris said.

OK who wants to be part of the group that gets to knock on the door of the criminal and/or mentally ill and asks for their guns? Oh come on.. What could possibly go wrong?
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Re: California to confiscate guns from criminals, mentally ill

Conservatives have serious mental illness, right? Figured the number would be higher than 20,000.
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OK who wants to be part of the group that gets to knock on the door of the criminal and/or mentally ill and asks for their guns? Oh come on.. What could possibly go wrong?
I'm sure we can just do another census and combine the duties. Economic recovery and the elimination of violence in one bill!
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Isn't this an ex post facto law? Seizing one's legally-obtained possessions? Is that constitutional?
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The "serious mental illness" part scares me. How do they define this and who determines it? Considering individuals with mental illness are 11 times more likely to be victims of violent acts than perpetrators, this seems misguided...unless of course there is more to it than my lazy ass just skimmed.

I get the point, and I think there might be workable ways to restrict gun ownership from a person that a psychologist of psychiatrist deems as unstable enough to be trusted with a gun. But I see a ton of potential problems with this. For example, how long are they restricted? Many serious mental health conditions are not chronic, and even chronic ones can be stable for very long periods. I mean we are talking about restricting a fundamental right here, there better be some well thought out answers to the many potential problems this type of law can cause. I am highly skeptical that it actually could be worked out and I'm almost certain that most of the questions that need to be asked before taking such a drastic measure as restricting this right will not be asked, let alone answered (by the lawmakers).
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If they are criminals, how did they get them in the first place? Aren't felons barred from legally obtaining firearms?
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Conservatives have serious mental illness, right? Figured the number would be higher than 20,000.
Conservitives in California. What are those?
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Originally Posted by Lt Ripley View Post
Conservatives have serious mental illness, right? Figured the number would be higher than 20,000.
Great, we get to lose our guns while those with delusions cheer on.
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If they are criminals, how did they get them in the first place? Aren't felons barred from legally obtaining firearms?
Originally Posted by the big bold letters in the article
Californians who acquired them legally but have since been disqualified from ownership because of a criminal conviction or serious mental illness.
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Originally Posted by burnside986 View Post
If they are criminals, how did they get them in the first place? Aren't felons barred from legally obtaining firearms?
Originally Posted by the big bold letters in the article
Californians who acquired them legally but have since been disqualified from ownership because of a criminal conviction or serious mental illness.
Hmm... someone here may not qualify to own a gun under the new law.
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Great, we get to lose our guns while those with delusions cheer on.
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Conservitives in California. What are those?
An endangered species.
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Hmm... someone here may not qualify to own a gun under the new law.
They said criminals and mentally ill. Not stupid. Wait...
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