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Old 04-29-13, 07:42 PM
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Proposed 28th Amendment - Ensure Laws apply equally to Congress

http://www.petition2congress.com/3093/proposed-28th-amendment-to-united-states-constitution/[/url]

An idea whose time has come
For too long we have been too complacent about the workings of Congress. Many citizens had no idea that members of Congress could retire with the same pay after only one term, that they didn't pay into Social Security, that they specifically exempted themselves from many of the laws they have passed (such as being exempt from any fear of prosecution for sexual harassment) while ordinary citizens must live under those laws. The latest is to exempt themselves from the Healthcare Reform that is being considered...in all of its forms. Somehow, that doesn't seem logical. We do not have an elite that is above the law. I truly don't care if they are Democrat, Republican, Independent or whatever. The self-serving must stop. This is a good way to do that. It is an idea whose time has come.

"Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators and/or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States."
Saw this today. Since Congress is already exempt from insider trading and now are trying to ensure they are not bit by Obamacare I think this is an idea who's time has come.

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Old 04-29-13, 08:29 PM
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Since both Democrats and Republicans have taken advantage of exempting themsleves from such laws. Yes this amendment needs to happen, will it? Not a chance.
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Since both Democrats and Republicans have taken advantage of exempting themsleves from such laws. Yes this amendment needs to happen, will it? Not a chance.
I agree.
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Since both Democrats and Republicans have taken advantage of exempting themsleves from such laws. Yes this amendment needs to happen, will it? Not a chance.
Needs a groundswell of support around it. I see the lady from MoveOn.org has been breaking bread with the Tea Party lately. They both need to get behind it and make the public pressure intense.
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It's a stunt. Most laws are meaningless to apply to Congress. It's not as if Chuck Schumer can market drugs without FDA approval or John Boehner can trade stocks on behalf of others without a Series 7 license.

In the specific example of insider trading the insider trading laws are written to prohibit trading on information available only to company insiders. I certainly agree that Congress shouldn't be allowed to trade on information they possess as legislators, but that's a different issue than insider trading.
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It's a stunt. Most laws are meaningless to apply to Congress. It's not as if Chuck Schumer can market drugs without FDA approval or John Boehner can trade stocks on behalf of others without a Series 7 license.

In the specific example of insider trading the insider trading laws are written to prohibit trading on information available only to company insiders. I certainly agree that Congress shouldn't be allowed to trade on information they possess as legislators, but that's a different issue than insider trading.
How about Congress and staffers exempting themselves from Obamacare?
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They are also exempt from Sexual Harassment Laws and other regulations. I don't see how this is a "stunt". Seems like a pretty valid gripe to me.
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There are a bunch of proposed 28th Amendments that never get off the ground. This is one of them. Or it could sit around for a few hundred years. Heck, the 27th Amendment was proposed by James Madison and it wasn't ratified by enough states until 1992.

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No, Congress isn’t trying to exempt itself from Obamacare
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How about Congress and staffers exempting themselves from Obamacare?
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They are also exempt from Sexual Harassment Laws and other regulations. I don't see how this is a "stunt". Seems like a pretty valid gripe to me.
I agree that both laws should apply to Congress. My point was that for the overwhelming majority of laws, the idea of applying them to Congress ranges from meaningless to nonsensical, so the amendment as written would be impossible to apply. That's what makes it a stunt.
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Bah. Reality has a well known liberal bias.
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Maybe it's just me, but I have a bit more respect for the U.S. Constitution to want to amend it just for some silly feel-good law that would only affect a few thousand people.
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Re: Proposed 28th Amendment - Ensure Laws apply equally to Congress

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There are a bunch of proposed 28th Amendments that never get off the ground. This is one of them. Or it could sit around for a few hundred years. Heck, the 27th Amendment was proposed by James Madison and it wasn't ratified by enough states until 1992.
Modern proposed amendments come with an expiration date so that can't happen. There are a handful of Amendments from the 19th Century that could still be passed, but none of them are particularly relevant to the modern world.

Now the 28th Amendment I'd like to have is one that states simply that individuals have absolute autonomy over their own bodies -- abortion, suicide, drug use, sex, prostitution, etc. can be regulated only so far as they affect others.
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I like how Congress is focusing on untangling and interpreting this one "drafting error" that effects them, meanwhile the bill itself is so big no one has ever read it. I wonder if there are any other potential problems lurking in there that might effect those of us in the real world? Probably not. And if there are I'm sure Congress will iron all of them out before this whole thing is enacted.
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Originally Posted by Sean O'Hara View Post
There are a handful of Amendments from the 19th Century that could still be passed, but none of them are particularly relevant to the modern world.
Nonsense, the Titles of Nobility Amendment will always be relevant. Do you want to live next to a Baron?
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Now the 28th Amendment I'd like to have is one that states simply that individuals have absolute autonomy over their own bodies -- abortion, suicide, drug use, sex, prostitution, etc. can be regulated only so far as they affect others.
That would outlaw abortion.
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Nonsense, the Titles of Nobility Amendment will always be relevant. Do you want to live next to a Baron?
I actually used to live next door to a Baron. He was a nice guy.
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It's been a while since I studied this, but 2/3 of the House and 2/3 of the Senate needs to agree on an amendment before sending to the states (which 3/4 need to agree), correct?

I don't think anybody in the House or Senate would ever touch this idea with a ten foot pole, but could this happen in reverse? Could this originate in the States, then get sent to the House and Senate?

I wouldn't mind seeing Representatives and Senators have to go on record as saying they oppose the idea of being held to the same standards as their constituents.
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It's been a while since I studied this, but 2/3 of the House and 2/3 of the Senate needs to agree on an amendment before sending to the states (which 3/4 need to agree), correct?

I don't think anybody in the House or Senate would ever touch this idea with a ten foot pole, but could this happen in reverse? Could this originate in the States, then get sent to the House and Senate?

I wouldn't mind seeing Representatives and Senators have to go on record as saying they oppose the idea of being held to the same standards as their constituents.
Two-thirds of the states can propose an amendment by convention, but that has never happened before. If it did, then Congress could call a state-ratifying convention, where it would need a 3/4ths vote.
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If the threshold was 50% and not 66%, this might have a shot. I think only 25 states would go along with starting this process.

1.) Alabama
2.) Alaska
3.) Arizona
4.) Arkansas
5.) Florida
6.) Georgia
7.) Idaho
8.) Indiana
9.) Kansas
10.) Louisiana
11.) Mississippi
12.) Missouri
13.) Montana
14.) Nebraska
15.) North Carolina
16.) North Dakota
17.) Oklahoma
18.) South Carolina
19.) South Dakota
20.) Tennessee
21.) Texas
22.) Utah
23.) Virginia
24.) Wisconsin
25.) Wyoming
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So all the suckass states.





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Audre Lord called it: The master's tools shall never dismantle the master's house.
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So all the suckass states.





I didn't mention Pennsylvania.
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I didn't mention Pennsylvania.
We built this country. Show some respect.
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Originally Posted by RoyalTea View Post
If the threshold was 50% and not 66%, this might have a shot. I think only 25 states would go along with starting this process.

1.) Alabama
2.) Alaska
3.) Arizona
4.) Arkansas
5.) Florida
6.) Georgia
7.) Idaho
8.) Indiana
9.) Kansas
10.) Louisiana
11.) Mississippi
12.) Missouri
13.) Montana
14.) Nebraska
15.) North Carolina
16.) North Dakota
17.) Oklahoma
18.) South Carolina
19.) South Dakota
20.) Tennessee
21.) Texas
22.) Utah
23.) Virginia
24.) Wisconsin
25.) Wyoming
Why do you think this is an issue that divides along red/blue lines? I would suspect this is something that would resonate with the overhwleming majority of voters across ideologies.
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