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Do we still take "the Pledge" this seriously in this country?

Old 04-10-13, 09:00 AM
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Do we still take "the Pledge" this seriously in this country?

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Don't we have the right not to stand up for the Pledge in this country? Regardless of her reasoning she should be able to sit there in peace.
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She has the right to sit there in peace. She also has the responsibility to take the heat for appearing disrespectful to her country. That's the beauty of freedom.

EDITED TO ADD that I live in a co-operative housing development that grew out of a former post-WWII veterans' housing development. Because of its history, our monthly board meetings always begin with the Pledge of Allegiance. I am currently the board's president, which means I lead the meetings and the pledge. The past president once led the pledge in a hurried and sloppy manner, and a number of residents complained about it. So yes, the pledge should be taken seriously whether you agree with everything the United States government does or not.
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Is the current Commander-In-Chief one I voted for? Then yes, you MUST offer fealty to our country's flag, or you might as well get the fuck out of the country, traitor.

If I didn't vote for him? Then it's just another example of the Fascist Big Government Nanny State trying to take away our freedoms.
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Re: Do we still take "the Pledge" this seriously in this country?

Reminds me of something I recently read about Fleet Admiral Nimitz and his daughter.
Just prior to World War II, one of Nimitz's daughters developed strong leftist, pro-Soviet views. Shortly after the war broke out, Nimitz and his family were on the Potomac one Sunday on a yacht as guests of the secretary of the Navy.

The president's yacht came abeam, and everyone on the yacht scrambled topside to salute the yacht as it passed. At this point, Nimitz's daughter told him she did not want to salute Roosevelt. The admiral replied, "Whether you salute Mr. Roosevelt or not is your business, but you will salute the president."
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She doesn't have to salute the flag or recite the pledge but she can at least stand with her classmates.
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Because of its history, our monthly board meetings always begin with the Pledge of Allegiance.
Jesus Christ, this still happens?
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Old 04-10-13, 09:18 AM
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I've just never understood it. I'll stand for the Anthem as a show of respect for this country. The pledge? Just something I was forced to do in school.
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Paraplegics often get away with not participating in this.
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The solution here is simple: if she doesn't like being an American, give her what she wants and strip her of her citizenship and all the perks that go with it.
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Re: Do we still take "the Pledge" this seriously in this country?

I've never had to pledge since school. It's like when people say grace at dinner. I'm an Atheist, but when in Rome, I will go through the motions, participate, and get it over with.
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strip her of her citizenship and all the perks that go with it.
But she gets to keep her right to be targeted by a drone! Win-win!
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Old 04-10-13, 09:51 AM
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The solution here is simple: if she doesn't like being an American, give her what she wants and strip her of her citizenship and all the perks that go with it.
I somewhat agree, but she is exercising her freedom. There is no law that says you have to do this.

Kind of like tipping.

It's implied, and it's stupid.
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Land of the free and home of the brave vs. one nation under God.

I'll take the first one every time.
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When I was a kid I never understood who Richard Stans was and why he was so important until I found out I was actually saying for "which it stands".
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Originally Posted by wishbone View Post
Reminds me of something I recently read about Fleet Admiral Nimitz and his daughter.http://archives.starbulletin.com/200...l/letters.html

She doesn't have to salute the flag or recite the pledge but she can at least stand with her classmates.
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I've never had to pledge since school. It's like when people say grace at dinner. I'm an Atheist, but when in Rome, I will go through the motions, participate, and get it over with.
Agreed. If you don't want to say it (and there were times that I didn't), you still stand and be respectful to those around you. Just like grace at dinner. If you just sit there, you aren't "not saying the pledge," you are trying to be an attention whore so that others will ask you about it, etc.
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Originally Posted by kvrdave View Post
Agreed. If you don't want to say it (and there were times that I didn't), you still stand and be respectful to those around you. Just like grace at dinner. If you just sit there, you aren't "not saying the pledge," you are trying to be an attention whore so that others will ask you about it, etc.
a kid in my grade school was a Jehovah's Witness, (who are not allowed to recite the pledge of allegiance) and he didn't stand during the pledge, i don't think he was trying to be an attention whore.
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Old 04-10-13, 10:39 AM
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The Pledge was written by a socialist. Booga booga
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OMFG, an idealistic 16-24 year-old did something to act out on their (likely misguided) socio-political idealism and called attention to themselves while doing it. This never happens.

The real story here is, assuming the allegations are truthful, that a teacher was stupid enough to send the student out of the classroom for not standing for the pledge. There is simply no excuse for this in this day and age.
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Old 04-10-13, 12:03 PM
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Clearly the people at the school in the article don't. If a gesture is compulsory instead of voluntary, it means nothing.
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I wasn't an attention whore and I refused to do the pledge my entire life. Never once did it from K-12. Nobody really gave me any shit about it, and I usually sat and quietly read or did something else during it.
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FYI, Damascus, MD, where this happened, is a rather conservative, semi-rural corner of an otherwise fairly liberal Montgomery County, MD (DC suburbs). Although, the last time I was there, it was being taken over by subdivisions of townhouses and McMansions just like the rest of the county.
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a kid in my grade school was a Jehovah's Witness, (who are not allowed to recite the pledge of allegiance) and he didn't stand during the pledge, i don't think he was trying to be an attention whore.
Who likely did that because his parents/church instructed them to. They instruct them to partially out of belief, but a nice side effect is that it shows the world what they believe and opens the door to telling the rest of us heathens about it as well.

Attention whores rarely see themselves as attention whores. Just as terrorists rarely see themselves as terrorists. They give themselves other labels that sound nicer, and even noble. Nothing wrong with being polite. If I ended up at some Islamic ritual, I'd still be respectful, even if I wasn't doing the prayer, or detonating the bomb, or anything else they do. And I wouldn't mind being respectful in the same kneeling position they were in, so that I didn't distract the others from their own detonators.
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Until recently you couldn't buy liquor or beer for that matter in Damascus. Couldn't even serve beer at a resturant. They just started to be able to serve beer and wine but you still can't buy it to take home. Very consevative city.
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Sometimes in elementary school I would just mouth the words to "The National Anthem." I think a teacher got pissed at me once for it. Screw them, I was saving my golden voice for singing "Bust a Move" during lunch!
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Originally Posted by Lastdaysofrain View Post
I wasn't an attention whore and I refused to do the pledge my entire life. Never once did it from K-12. Nobody really gave me any shit about it, and I usually sat and quietly read or did something else during it.
So you decided in kindergarten you were above this sort of thing? Five years old? Really? Everyone else stood and you just sat it out? They weren't gonna get you? On your own you figured this out? You sure were a precocious child.
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