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NBC News: "Blacks struggle with 72 percent unwed mothers rate"

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Blacks struggle with 72 percent unwed mothers rate

November 7, 2010

Seventy-two percent of black babies are born to unmarried mothers today, according to government statistics.


That is a very serious problem.

It's also a brand new problem:


http://www.jewishworldreview.com/col...iams051999.asp

May 19, 1999

The illegitimacy rate among blacks stands close to 70 percent. The "legacy of slavery" explanation for today's weak black family structure loses all manner of credibility when one examines evidence from the past.

Even during slavery, most black children lived in biological two-parent families. One study of 19th-century slave families (Herbert Gutman, "The Black Family in Slavery and Freedom: 1750-1925") found that in up to three-fourths of the families, all the children had the same mother and father. In New York City in 1925, 85 percent of kin-related black households were double-headed. In fact, "Five in six children under the age of six lived with both parents."

Both during slavery and as late as 1920, a black teen-age girl raising a child without a man was rare among blacks. Gutman, also found in analyzing data on black families in Harlem between 1905 and 1925 that only 3 percent of all families "were headed by a woman under 30."

Scholar and columnist Thomas Sowell found: "Going back a hundred years, when blacks were just one generation out of slavery, we find that census data of that era showed that a slightly higher percentage of black adults had married than white adults. This fact remained true in every census from 1890 to 1940."

So today's high rate of unwed motherhood is a brand new problem.

Let's take a look at this problem in the city of Chicago


http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...men-lee-habeeb

January 17, 2013

Chicagoís murder statistics tell a story of young black males without fathers and at risk.

Twenty children and six adults were killed in Newtown, Conn., last month, and the media quickly, and justifiably, descended to tell the tragic story. In the first few weeks of January in Chicago, 25 people have already been murdered. Most were young black and Hispanic men, murdered by other young black and Hispanic men.

Wow - that's a really serious problem that's happening in Chicago.

What does the mainstream national media think of this problem?


the real racism that exists in the media is this: A young black maleís life is not worth reporting when it is taken by another black male.

That's a good point. Other than when a famous celebrity or professional athlete was involved, when was the last time that a black person murdering another black person received a substantial amount of attention in the national media?

Well, perhaps such a thing a rare - perhaps that's why the mainstream national media doesn't talk about it very much.

But no - that's not the reason. Black on black murder is not rare at all. For as we see:


Black people accounted for 13 percent of the U.S. population in 2005. Yet they were the victims of 49 percent of all murders, and 93 percent of black murder victims were killed by other black people.

Thatís right. Almost half of murder victims in the entire country are black males and, all too often, young black males. And nine out of ten of those young black men were killed by other young black men.

Wow - that's quite horrible - so many blacks murdering so many other blacks. And yet, the mainstream national media is largely silent on this issue.

What happens when a city does have a lot of fathers who are active in their sons' lives?

Well, check this out:


About 20,000 people live in my hometown of Oxford, Miss., and there are probably twice as many guns. Folks own handguns, shotguns, rifles, and all kinds of weapons Iíve never even heard of. But I canít remember the last murder story in the local paper.

Thatís because my town has lots of guns, but lots of fathers, too.

Chicago doesnít have a gun problem; it has a father problem.

Gun control isnít the problem on Chicagoís streets; self-control is.

When young men donít have fathers, they donít learn to control their masculine impulses. They donít have fathers to teach them how to channel their masculine impulses in productive ways.

When young men donít have fathers, those men will seek out masculine love ó masculine acceptance ó where they can find it. Often, they find it in gangs.

In my little town, if some boys tried to form a gang and do violence on our streets, the fathers wouldnít bother calling the sheriff. Those boys would face a gang of fathers hell bent on establishing order in our community. And if that meant using physical force, so be it.


Wow - that's quite powerful.

So, when there are lots of fathers who are actively involved in their son's live, there are far fewer murders. The fathers don't allow their sons to join street gangs, so the sons don't end up committing high rates of murder.

That's very significant.

And yet, when we see news articles in the mainstream media about the high rates of murder in cities such as Chicago, the articles almost never say anything about the lack of fathers' involvement in the lives of the people who commit these murders.

On the other hand, the scientists who study elephants have certainly noticed this problem, and have pointed it out:


http://germaneconsulting.com/elephan...ys-to-manhood/

The increased violence by male elephants included killing members of their own species

The increased violence began after throngs of young males witnessed the killing of adult males. These fatherless elephants were subsequently raised by young single elephant mothers.

Normal development of the male elephantís brain and culturally normative behavior relies on a second phase of socialization (beyond and after mother-nurturing) in which adult males play a critical role.

Repeat: In which adult males play a critical role.

This period and a second stage of brain reorganization also occurs in human adolescents. During this phase neural connections rearrange themselves en masse.

When older males were re-introduced to the male herds (read gangs) the rogue adolescent males stopped engaging in hyper-aggressive behaviors and abnormally early musth cycles (periods of heightened sexual activity and hormonal shifts).

Repeat: Hyperaggressive and early periods of sexual activity (rape) both ceased.

The solution among the elephants involved bringing adult males into the herd. The violence and aggressive behavior ceased.

This makes perfect sense. Elephants and humans are both very social creatures. Elephants are one of the few animals that possess enough social awareness to be able to pass the mirror test.

We need to take this lesson in adult male role models from elephants, and apply it to humans.
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I see a lot of undemonstrated assertions, when there is evidence to the contrary. During Prohibition, when two-parent homes were common, so were criminal gangs. OTOH, the fatherless rate among Black families hasn't changed much in 20 years, but the murder rate has dropped a lot.

Horses are social animals who drive out young males to fend for themselves in the wilderness. People aren't horses, or elephants.
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I wonder is that number would change at all if we legalized marijuana and stopped throwing young black males in prison for minor drug offenses?
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I wonder is that number would change at all if we legalized marijuana and stopped throwing young black males in prison for minor drug offenses?


Try again.
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I wonder is that number would change at all if we legalized marijuana and stopped throwing young black males in prison for minor drug offenses?
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Try again.
Why is that funny? I think a disproportionate number of young black males go to jail for something as silly as pot. And the one thing jail does do is make you a better criminal. Drug offences should not be punished by jail time. I think most non-violent crimes should be met with a more constructive solution. This also ensures there is room for violent criminals who should be removed from society. We have far too many people behind bars in this country.
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I wonder is that number would change at all if we legalized marijuana and stopped throwing young black males in prison for minor drug offenses?
Yep, that would stop people from fucking.
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Yep, that would stop people from fucking.
Do you have to stretch before you contort yourself to miss the point so thoroughly?
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Obviously not every one of those young black men in jail would step up and be a father but even if a small percentage did we wouldn't be looking at that 72% number IMO.

Not only are they in jail for something stupid they're also unemployable for the rest of their lives with drug conviction on their records.

But I guess the thread was just about fucking so I'm sorry for even chiming in.
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The 72% figure referred to unwed mothers, so I don't see how any drug law relaxation is going to correlate with people wanting to get married.
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Golly, it's not like the War on Drugs has its origins in racist policies pioneered by the likes of William Parker and J. Edgar Hoover.
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It wasn't just about fucking. It was also about racial superiority.
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Why is that funny? I think a disproportionate number of young black males go to jail for something as silly as pot. And the one thing jail does do is make you a better criminal. Drug offences should not be punished by jail time. I think most non-violent crimes should be met with a more constructive solution. This also ensures there is room for violent criminals who should be removed from society. We have far too many people behind bars in this country.
I agree. Fines and a bunch of community service should be the max for basic drug possession charges.
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It wasn't just about fucking. It was also about racial superiority.
Hey now, they may be bigger "down there", but I don't think that makes them superior!
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I agree. Fines and a bunch of community service should be the max for basic drug possession charges.
And a civil offense not a criminal offense.
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NBC is racist
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I wonder is that number would change at all if we legalized marijuana and stopped throwing young black males in prison for minor drug offenses?
Yes this situation in the black community is primarily a result of the drug war.

But the majority in the US aren't smart enough to understand the completely obvious, so the drug war plows ahead grinding up and destroying the lives of the poor and minorities by the million.
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It is without a doubt caused by the drug war and institutional racism. Now if we ended the drug war tomorrow, would it magically change things? No, it would take years, but with the current system in place, things will never get better.
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http://www.drugpolicy.org/race-and-drug-war

Can't be more racist than this :

Since the 1980s, federal penalties for crack were 100 times harsher than those for powder cocaine, with African Americans disproportionately sentenced to much lengthier terms. But, in 2010, DPA played a key role in reducing the crack/powder sentencing disparity from 100:1 to 18:1, and we are committed to passing legislation that would eliminate the disparity entirely.
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http://www.sociologyinfocus.com/2012...-and-convicts/

Socially constructing drug users, dealers and convicts

What would you say if I told you that we socially construct what we think of as a criminal? By that I mean as a society we pick and choose what actions to call crimes and which people to prosecute for those actions. Sounds like some highfalutin sociology mumbo jumbo, right? Well, in this post Nathan Palmer uses the “War on Drugs” to show us how “the criminal” is socially constructed.



Stop reading this for one second and imagine a drug deal between two people you’ve never met before. What did the buyer look like? What did the seller look like? Where did the transaction take place? Got it? Good.

So, in the situation you imagined did the drug buyer know the drug dealer personally or where they strangers? Was the dealer a different race than the buyer? What about class, was one of them rich and the other less so?

If you don’t have first hand experience with drug deals, where did you get the ideas and imagery that popped into your imagination? For many of us, we glean what little we know about drug dealing from the news media and from Hollywood.

Turn on the TV and drug deals look like this: A car full of bratty spoiled white kids roll through an inner city neighborhood where African American men stand on nearly every corner drugs in hand. The car stops, a dealer leans to the passenger window, and then drugs and money exchange hands. But is this cliche reality?


Which Racial Ethnic Group Uses Drugs The Most?
Well the answer is mixed. The findings of drug use research often have findings that disagree with each other. One thing the research makes clear is that among people aged 18–25 of all races drug use is remarkably similar. A study in 2004 found that whites reported the highest level of drug use with 38.2% saying they had used in the last year (SAMHSA 2004). White youth were followed by African Americans (30.6%) and Hispanic Americans (27.5%). Another study (McCabe et al. 2007) found that among college students Hispanics used the most, followed by white Americans, African Americans, and Asian Americans. Another study found that white young people go to the emergency room with drug related health emergencies at 3 times the rate of their African American counterparts (Western 2006). Okay, so now we have a clearer picture about drug users, but what about drug dealers?

Which Racial Ethnic Group Sells Drugs The Most?
Let’s go back to the TV cliche; a car full of entitled rich white kids buying from a young Black man in the inner city. This is not how most drug deals happen. Stop and think through the feasibility of this. Do you think that rural farm kids are driving hours away to the center of the nearest large city to score a bag? Of course not. Research back this up, finding that drug users disproportionately buy drugs from people of their same racial ethnic groups. (Riley 1997; Rengert and LeBeau 2007).

If drug users disproportionately buy from people who look like them and drug use is remarkably similar across racial ethnic groups, then we can tentatively conclude that all racial ethnic groups are represented in the ranks of drug dealers. Getting an exact number and racial breakdown of all of those selling drugs is, as you might imagine, hard to do. However, the National Household Survey on Drug Abuse reported in 2000 that whites aged 12–17 are more than three times as likely to report selling illegal drugs than their African American counterparts.

So let’s summarize all of this, research suggests that the rate of drug use and sales among young people is remarkably similar across racial groups, but some evidence suggests that whites use and sell drugs more often than any other racial ethnic group.

Which Racial Ethnic Group is Imprisoned For Drug Offenses
In a perfect world the number of people arrested for any particular crime would be equal to the number of people guilty of said crime; no one gets away with anything and no one is falsely charged with anything. We don’t live in a perfect world. African American men are 13 times more likely to be imprisoned for drug related charges than their white counter parts are (Human Rights Watch 2000). The same study found that in seven states Black men represent over 80% of all the people admitted into state prisons on drug charges.

Socially Constructing The Criminal
Sociologists and criminologists argue that we socially construct “the criminal” by selectively deciding which crimes to prosecute and which criminals to punish. Black men are overwhelmingly the ones who go to prison for drug offenses, but they are not the ones overwhelmingly using or dealing the drugs. Looking at all of the researcher presented here, you could conclude that using drugs and selling drugs is only really considered a problem when African American men do it.

Right now you are probably asking yourself, “why are things this way?” The answer lies in how we write drug laws, who writes the drug laws, and how drug laws and law enforcement are used as political tools by people at every level of government. This is a tangled web of ideas for another day, but what you should take away from what you’ve learned today is this: As a society we selectively enforce our laws and selectively hold people accountable for their actions. Many people who engage in criminal behavior are not punished because as a society we don’t pursue them with the same ferocity we pursue the behaviors of others. Both crime and “the criminal” are socially constructed.
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I recently read that welfare has been determined to be the major cause of the increase of unwed mothers, even as recently as the 60s, the vast majority of black children had two parents. But when you reward young teenagers to have children, it becomes a career path for them, have children, apply for welfare, get free food, free housing, etc.
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I recently read that welfare has been determined to be the major cause of the increase of unwed mothers, even as recently as the 60s, the vast majority of black children had two parents. But when you reward young teenagers to have children, it becomes a career path for them, have children, apply for welfare, get free food, free housing, etc.
In what way are black teens rewarded to have children in such a way that doesn't reward white teens equally?
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I wonder is that number would change at all if we legalized marijuana and stopped throwing young black males in prison for minor drug offenses?
Nah, what they really need are tighter voter registration laws. Maybe a nice juicy capital gains tax cut for good measure.
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I see a lot of undemonstrated assertions, when there is evidence to the contrary. During Prohibition, when two-parent homes were common, so were criminal gangs. OTOH, the fatherless rate among Black families hasn't changed much in 20 years, but the murder rate has dropped a lot.

Horses are social animals who drive out young males to fend for themselves in the wilderness. People aren't horses, or elephants.
That's a good point about there being a lot of gangs during Prohibition. But I still believe that, all else being equal, having a good adult male role model makes male teens less likely to join a gang.

Horses don't have enough social awareness to be able to pass the mirror test.


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I wonder is that number would change at all if we legalized marijuana and stopped throwing young black males in prison for minor drug offenses?
I'm sure it would. All else being equal, the war on drugs makes the gang situation worse.
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It all comes down to handicap parking spaces.
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Forget drug use, they're involved in half of all the murders in the country. (both victim and criminal) The numbers are just devastating across the board... unemployment, fatherless households, crime... sorry but stats are stats, I never realized it was that bad.
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