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What should be done to people who voted more than one in the same election?

Old 02-19-13, 08:41 PM
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What should be done to people who voted more than one in the same election?

Here's a video where the newscaster says that people who voted twice in the same election could face jail time and a fine. The video also includes testimony from several people who admit they voted twice:





Here is an article about one of them, who voted six times in one election. She voted once in person (her one legal vote), once by absentee ballot under her own name (which is illegal, since she also voted in person), and four times using absentee ballots with other people's names (which is illegal).

I think she should receive jail time for her five illegal votes.

What do you think?


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...ing-six-times/

Did Obama supporter vote 6 times in 2012? Ohio poll worker target of investigation

By Eric Shawn

February 19, 2013

The Obama/Biden lawn sign remains proudly planted in front of Melowese Richardson's Cincinnati home, three months after the presidential election.

It seems that President Obama has an especially ardent supporter in the veteran Ohio poll worker.

Richardson told a local television station this month that she voted twice last November. She cast an absentee ballot and then voted at the polls as well.

"Yes, I voted twice," Richardson told WCPO-TV.
"I, after registering thousands of people, certainly wanted my vote to count, so I voted. I voted at the polls."

Authorities also are investigating if she voted in the names of four other people, too, for a total of six votes in the 2012 presidential election.

"I'll fight it for Mr. Obama and for Mr. Obama's right to sit as president of the United States," Richardson vowed when asked about the voter fraud investigation that is now under way.

Richardson is one of 19 people suspected of illegal voting by the Hamilton County Board of Elections in the last election.

"I'm outraged, and every voter, regardless of their political affiliation, should be outraged," said Hamilton County Board of Elections member Alex Triantafilou, who is also chairman of the county Republican Party. "It causes folks to have real doubts about the fabric of our very democratic process, and it's dangerous. It is disconcerting that someone would be so bold as to admit their conduct in such a fashion ... We fully intend to prosecute these cases."

Richardson claimed she had submitted an absentee ballot, but was afraid her vote would not count so she also voted in person. She also said she voted in the name of her granddaughter and yet another person.

"There was absolutely no intent on my part to commit any voter fraud," she insisted.

Richardson's granddaughter, India Richardson, confirmed to Fox News that her grandmother voted for her, by submitting an absentee ballot in her name. India told Fox News that she is not angry, and gave her permission to cast her absentee ballot.

"It wasn't a big deal," she said.

But election authorities say voting more than once, or in someone else's name, is a big deal because it is illegal and threatens the credibility of the nation's election system.

"It appears she not only attempted to vote more than once, but was actually successful at it and having those additional votes counted," Ohio Secretary of State John Husted, who is in charge of the state's elections, told Fox News.

"She appears to have used her position as a poll worker to cover her tracks. That would be someone who is an official in the elections process, using that position to commit a fraud. That is especially troubling to me, as the chief elections officer of the state, because it is my responsibility to make sure the system runs effectively, that it has integrity. When I find issues like this, I know that it undermines voter confidence in our elections, and we must pursue it."

Three other absentee ballots in the names of different people were submitted to the Board of Elections from Richardson's address on Nov. 1. Officials say the handwriting on those ballots is similar and that they were all received together, on the same day that Richardson's absentee ballot arrived at the office. Richardson maintains that some of the other voters live at her house.

Attempts by Fox News to reach Richardson were unsuccessful, but she claimed to the local station that the votes were "absolutely legal votes."

In written reports detailing the 19 cases, Board of Elections investigators described their findings. In one instance, an investigator called a suspected double voter and was hung up on.

"I explained that she voted twice and she told me not to bother her and get off her phone and she hung up," the investigator wrote.

Another voter admitted to double voting, but did not think it was an issue.

"The voter said yes she 'voted early' and then voted again, then she asked 'what's the problem?'" according to the report.

Yet another voter was at a loss for explaining why he voted more than once.

"Voter said he remembered both times. He doesn't know why he voted twice," the report said.

The documents show that another voter said he had received a phone call before Election Day telling him his absentee ballot would not count. When investigators questioned him about voting two times, the voter replied "'as usual, you guys are wrong.' ... he was curious about the investigation and asked 'Now what will you do' and 'are you taping me now?"

The Hamilton County Board of Elections is holding hearings to further investigate these cases.

"It is so fundamental to people's faith in the democratic process, that we need to act very strong to make sure that we are doing everything we can to keep people's faith," declared Triantafilou. "There is always the concern, though, that there are those situations where we didn't catch folks."

As part of a new effort to root out any voter fraud, Secretary of State Husted has ordered all 88 of the state's county Board of Elections to hold public hearings on any credible voter fraud allegations or claims of voter disenfranchisement during the 2012 election. He said any substantiated allegations should be turned over to prosecutors.

"Once the election is over, and once the winner is declared, everybody forgets about it. I want to make sure that we don't forget about it, that we make sure we do, essentially, an audit of that process to ensure that we know what happened, and then use that evidence to guide us going forward. ... We need to learn from that last election so that we can be better before the next one gets here."

"Fraud does happen," noted Husted. "Most attempts are caught by the system. But there are cases that do slip through, as this one does, and we need to make sure that we really send a strong message, that if you do this, you are going to be held accountable. It might mean fines, it might mean jail time."

Voter fraud, said Husted, "undermines public confidence in democracy, and that's why we need, whether you are a Democrat or Republican, to root out all cases of voter fraud."

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Re: What should be done to people who voted more than one in the same election?

What outcome are you looking for, grundle?
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So these are instances of Democrats voting twice? Cool. Let me know when we get to the Republicans that voted twice as well.
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Re: What should be done to people who voted more than one in the same election?

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What outcome are you looking for, grundle?
I am looking for truth and justice.



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So these are instances of Democrats voting twice? Cool. Let me know when we get to the Republicans that voted twice as well.
If you have articles about Republicans voting twice, please post them.
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What I think should be done to people who vote more than once is that the candidate they voted for, whether Democrat or Republican, should be sent back to the African country of his birth and be replaced by a white businessman.
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If you have articles about Republicans voting twice, please post them.
Southern Nevada woman is arrested on suspicion of trying to vote twice

Investigators today arrested a Southern Nevada woman suspected of trying to vote twice this week at two different polling locations.

Roxanne Rubin was taken into custody as she arrived for work at the Riviera hotel-casino, investigators said. Rubin, 56, is a registered Republican who lives in Henderson, according to the Clark County Registrar.

Rubin allegedly cast a vote Monday at the Anthem Community Center in Henderson. Later that day, she tried to vote a second time at an early voting location on Eastern Avenue, investigators said.

When Rubin arrived at the second location, a poll worker conducted a routine database check and found Rubin had already voted. When confronted by the poll worker, Rubin denied having voted and claimed the database used by the poll worker was wrong.

Poll workers at the Eastern Avenue location blocked Rubin from voting and notified the county registrar's office, who forwarded the complaint to the Nevada secretary of state.

"There are two important points worth noting in this case," Nevada Secretary of State Ross Miller said. "First, is that as we've said and demonstrated in the past, we take all elections complaints very seriously and investigate them thoroughly. Second, this demonstrates the integrity of the system. Someone thought that by going to two different locations they'd be able to cast two ballots. The system immediately caught that, the Task Force responded, and an arrest was made."

"It's also worth noting that the Task Force has at least one other case of voting or attempting to vote twice in an election presently under investigation," Miller said. "We will pursue all such cases and complaints aggressively."

Rubin was booked into the Clark County Detention Center on one felony count of voting twice in the same election.

The Elections Integrity Task Force is a multi-jurisdictional task force made up of state and federal investigators.

While allegations of voter fraud or faulty voting machines are common during a busy election, Clark County Registrar Larry Lomax said this is the first time in his 15 years on the job that a voter has been arrested for trying to cast two ballots.

During early voting, poll workers use a database to look up a voter's registration when the voter checks in at the poll. A card used to activate the voting machine is then programmed with the voter's information and the voter is logged as having cast a ballot. If the voter tries to check in a second time, an alert will flash on a poll worker's screen, Lomax said.

"When we pull you up, if you already voted, it says so right on the screen," Lomax said. "It says this person voted at this site, where and when they voted."

Daily audits are done at each early voting site to make sure the number of activated cards match the number of ballots cast. In Rubin's case, the card numbers matched the number of ballots submitted exactly, dispelling any concerns that Rubin may have received an activated card but never cast a ballot, Lomax said.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2012...ion-trying-vo/

Coincidentally, I was just yesterday reading an article about people who voted twice (though I can't find it now). The gist of the article was that in the particular jurisdiction being profiled, they investigated something like 50 cases, and in all of the cases, it turned out the person had acted appropriately -- most typically, it was someone who had tried to vote absentee, wasn't sure their vote had registered, and so went to the polling place and cast a provisional ballot. One example they gave was a woman who mailed her ballot with one stamp, then later saw something from the post office saying absentee ballots require two stamps. Another was a man who filled his ballot out, but couldn't find it to mail it. He thought one of his roommates might have mailed it, but wasn't sure.

Anyway, I think if they can prove intent to defraud (something like the woman in the article I posted, where she outright lied about having voted), the penalty should be harsh. Otherwise, I think there should be little or no (in the case of people who vote provisional) penalty.
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The Republican woman voted twice. The Democrat voted six times. So Democrats are three times worse.
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Anyway, I think if they can prove intent to defraud (something like the woman in the article I posted, where she outright lied about having voted), the penalty should be harsh. Otherwise, I think there should be little or no (in the case of people who vote provisional) penalty.
If a person just plain forgets and votes twice, they should be fined something like $25 with a nice reminder. This is a rather important event to many, and there much more severe penalties for forgetting to do legally-required activities (driver's license, vehicle tags, etc.)
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That's it, let's enact a huge costly voter ID system just for these handful of cases!
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What I think should be done to people who vote more than once is that the candidate they voted for, whether Democrat or Republican, should be sent back to the African country of his birth and be replaced by a white businessman.
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Why would anyone want to wait on a 60 minute line twice?
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To the woman voting six times she's probably a hero to the left. No big deal and probably part of the "entitlement" way of life now. My question is what about an illegal who illegally voted more than once?

...and I guess we know why one particular side is so against voter ID. Probably hard for a 50-60 year woman to pass as Uncle Elmer.
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To the woman voting six times she's probably a hero to the left. No big deal and probably part of the "entitlement" way of life now. My question is what about an illegal who illegally voted more than once?

...and I guess we know why one particular side is so against voter ID. Probably hard for a 50-60 year woman to pass as Uncle Elmer.
And to think this election came down to just 6 votes. Thank god we got to the bottom of the MASSIVE voter conspiracy.

I'm against voter ID because it keeps people from being able to vote. Why are you so for it?
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I'm against voter ID because it keeps people from being able to vote. Why are you so for it?
Weren't you reading? Because of the ILLEGALS! And the LEFT, to whom they are heroes.
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Weren't you reading? Because of the ILLEGALS! And the LEFT, to whom they are heroes.
Oh that's right. I keep forgetting the illegals taking our jerbs.
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What outcome are you looking for, grundle?
President Romney?
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This is just one of many examples why our current voting system doesn't work. Voting ballots should be limited to 1 per Social Security number, and no replacements. I also think the Electoral College should either be severely reined in, or abolished completely. If they insist on having "state points", then give one point to each. The first candidate to reach 26 gets the Presidency.
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If they insist on having "state points", then give one point to each. The first candidate to reach 26 gets the Presidency.
Sure, it makes sense to award the same number of points to California (pop. 38+ million) and Wyoming (pop. 500+ thousand)
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What outcome are you looking for, grundle?
A Roman scourging?
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I'm against voter ID because it keeps people from being able to vote. Why are you so for it?
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That's it, let's enact a huge costly voter ID system just for these handful of cases!
Why not?

We can lower the voting age to 4, and implement this awesome idea of mine in my new Preschool For Everyone campaign!
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What I think should be done to people who vote more than once is that the candidate they voted for, whether Democrat or Republican, should be sent back to the African country of his birth and be replaced by a white businessman.
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And to think this election came down to just 6 votes. Thank god we got to the bottom of the MASSIVE voter conspiracy.

I'm against voter ID because it keeps people from being able to vote. Why are you so for it?
Mostly because we think it keeps people from voting illegally. The people you are so worried about already have IDs to get benefits.
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Voter fraud doesn't occur.
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