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Old 07-07-16, 05:22 PM
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Re: The 2016 Presidential Election thread: Great Scott!!

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I don't think a potential President Trump is going to create concentration camps for Muslims and Mexicans. I *do* think that President Trump would flap his idiot mouth enough to start WWIII.
See, I agree that he won't do most of the idiot stuff that comes out of his mouth, but I think Hillary is more likely to start WWIII. Whether it be comparing Putin to Hitler, suggesting we should shoot down more Russian planes, pushing for military action in Libya and Syria, etc.

I don't think Trump is actually sophisticated enough for most countries to do anything but bluster about (that isn't a compliment to Trump and doesn't make me a Trump supporter, for all those winding up their "AHA!" It is actually calling him a moron). When you have a moron at the helm, the world knows. But the hawkishness of Clinton is a real threat. I think she is more bloodthirsty than Bush. Which military action has she actually been against?


Face It: A Vote for Hillary Clinton Is a Vote for War

It’s not just that Hillary Clinton gets “high-profile foreign policy guidance” from the same firm that advises hawkish Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz, who last year supported increasing the Pentagon budget without cutting other government outlays. Nor is it that as first lady, Clinton “urged” her husband to bomb Serbia in 1999 and, as a senator from New York, she supported the invasion and occupation of Iraq without reservation and said during her failed 2008 presidential bid, “If the most important thing to any of you is choosing someone who did not cast that vote or has said his vote was a mistake, then there are others to choose from.”

As secretary of state, she rarely missed an opportunity to back more and bigger interventions. “Clinton backed a bold escalation of the Afghanistan war,” wrote Michael Crowley in Time in 2014. “She pressed Obama to arm the Syrian rebels, and later endorsed air strikes against the Assad regime. She backed intervention in Libya, and her State Department helped enable Obama’s expansion of lethal drone strikes. In fact, Clinton may have been the administration’s most reliable advocate for military action.” That’s exactly the reason why Republican John “Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran” McCain joked to The New Republic that it would be a “tough choice” for him if the presidency came down to Clinton or the libertarian-leaning dove Rand Paul. “We came, we saw, he died,” Clinton herself joked to CBS News after the death of Muammar Gaddafi in the wake of bombing runs joined by the United States. Even after Libya was plunged into utter chaos and has become a “safe haven” for ISIS, Clinton still calls our intervention there “smart power at its best.”
Republicans will rush to war with Hillary leading the way, and all it will take to get the herd to comply is "TERRORISTS!" despite the evidence that our actions simply make more. That's what we'll be getting as a known. It's difficult for me to see how the unknown is obviously worse.
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Old 07-07-16, 06:00 PM
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Re: The 2016 Presidential Election thread: Great Scott!!

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Looks like Jared Kushner's family (Trump's son-in-law) is trashing him for using his grandparents' holocaust experience in defending trump.
Trump's son-in-law under fire from family

When an out of touch with reality nominee hires an out of touch with reality campaign manager, who is also a son-in-law, you get the BS Jared wrote. I don't think Trump is an anti-Semite; I think he's a lying idiot (among other things) with little to no experiences outside his teetering fiefdom of failed development projects, divorces, bankrupted sports leagues, fraudulent 'Universities' and golf courses (and the list keeps going). The very first thing a responsible campaign manager should do, I'd think, and I mean the very first thing, would be to take away his father-*in*-law's Twitter account. Even Joseph Kushner would've had the street smarts to figure that one out while living on boiled potatoes in the forest.”

He continued: “That my grandparents have been dragged into this is a shame. Thank you Jared for using something sacred and special to the descendants of Joe and Rae Kushner to validate the sloppy manner in which you've handled this campaign. From the references to 'Palestine' at the AIPAC conference (which got Donald jeered) to the justification of the itchy Twitter fingers your father*in*law has, you've managed to further prove what so many of us have known for many years. Kudos to you for having gone this far; no one expected this. But for the sake of the family name, which may have no meaning to you but still has meaning to others, please don't invoke our grandparents in vain just so you can sleep better at night. It is self serving and disgusting.”
It's going to be a fun Thanksgiving at the Kushner home this year.
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Old 07-07-16, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Donald Trump
“When do we beat Mexico at the border? They’re laughing at us, at our stupidity. […] When Mexico sends its people they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you; they’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists, and some, I assume, are good people. But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we’re getting.”
You say "they're not sending their best" but then you "assume that some are good." Typical fence walker bullshit that Trump thrives on. Say something bad and then back peddle saying something that contradicts what was initially said.

"I've got a swastika tattoo and go to Klan meetings but I'm not a racist because my girlfriend is Puerto Rican."
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Old 07-07-16, 06:18 PM
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Re: The 2016 Presidential Election thread: Great Scott!!

It doesn't take a genius to figure out what the Trump campaign is based on, and that is stoking fear of the "other" (minorities, immigrants, China, international treaties, etc...). According to Trump, if America is not great, it's the fault of all these "others". That trick is as old as dirt. If you don't see it/acknowledge it, well... you've been thoroughly brainwashed.
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Old 07-07-16, 07:08 PM
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That's funny right there!
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Old 07-07-16, 07:42 PM
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So that's your interpretation. Completely made up in your mind to justify his remarks but ok, that's how you take it.

Mine is that Trump appeals primarily to straight white males, and "making America great AGAIN" is directed at them because now that women, minorities and other traditionally marginalized groups are getting some semblances of equality, straight white men are angrier than ever.

So yes, I do think he'd actually work to roll back some civil rights, based solely on his comments about immigrants, Muslims and women.
Again, I've already presented the argument from a Bernie supporter who even says Trump was being misrepresented in his statements about immigrants.

Trump appeals to white males because he is one.

Just like Obama is a Black male, who had support of most Black males back in 2008.

Is that wrong? No. You can call it prejudice or biased, but it is natural for people to vote for those who they more easily identify with. I don't tell Black males they shouldn't have voted for Obama. They have every right to do so, and I support that choice to vote.

So, to somehow accuse white males of supporting Trump, is yet another pointless argument, and does nothing but show your own prejudice but more importantly...your denial of it.
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Old 07-07-16, 07:48 PM
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Re: The 2016 Presidential Election thread: Great Scott!!

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Trump appeals to white males because he is one.

Just like Obama is a Black male, who had support of most Black males back in 2008.

Is that wrong? No. You can call it prejudice or biased, but it is natural for people to vote for those who they more easily identify with. I don't tell Black males they shouldn't have voted for Obama. They have every right to do so, and I support that choice to vote.
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I swear I must be reading a comment from Alabama in 1958. I'm so glad I wasn't raised by parents who think like this.
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Old 07-07-16, 09:28 PM
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Re: The 2016 Presidential Election thread: Great Scott!!

More on the topic of whether Trump is just trolling us ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/08/us...president.html

Presented in a recent interview with a scenario, floating around the political ether, in which the presumptive Republican nominee proves all the naysayers wrong, beats Hillary Clinton and wins the presidency, only to forgo the office as the ultimate walk-off winner, Mr. Trump flashed a mischievous smile.

“I’ll let you know how I feel about it after it happens,” he said minutes before leaving his Trump Tower office to fly to a campaign rally in New Hampshire.

It is, of course, entirely possible that Mr. Trump is playing coy to earn more news coverage. But the notion of the intensely competitive Mr. Trump’s being more interested in winning the presidency than serving as president is not exactly a foreign concept to close observers of this presidential race.
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Old 07-07-16, 09:45 PM
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Re: The 2016 Presidential Election thread: Great Scott!!

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Looks like Jared Kushner's family (Trump's son-in-law) is trashing him for using his grandparents' holocaust experience in defending trump.
Trump's son-in-law under fire from family
And millions of Jewish mothers are telling their sons tonight, "See, this is why you shouldn't marry a shiksa."
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Old 07-08-16, 05:37 AM
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I know that Trump's VP list is dwindling as nobody (but Gingrich, Palin and Christie) really want the job. But I read on Social Media that he may pick his daughter Ivanka Trump as VP??? If he does then it will prove my assertion all along that he doesn't want to be President, and this will be his out as the Delegates will probably vote him down as the nominee.

I still think if he really doesn't want to win but split the party even more, he should pick that dope Sarah Palin as VP. 1/2 of the Republicans will rally to her side (I still know friends that defend her), and then the other 1/2 will bolt the party cause a Trump/Palin ticket will be almost laughable.
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Old 07-08-16, 05:53 AM
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I gotta be honest...I'd love for Christie to be the VP....how entertaining would that ticket be!? Newt is prob my odds on pick... he can handle himself...but it wouldn't be as fun as Christie going full Jersey.
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Old 07-08-16, 06:12 AM
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Trump needs to pick a female VP.
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Old 07-08-16, 08:05 AM
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Trump needs to pick a female VP.
Rosie O'Donnell!
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Old 07-08-16, 08:23 AM
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Re: The 2016 Presidential Election thread: Great Scott!!

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I know that Trump's VP list is dwindling as nobody (but Gingrich, Palin and Christie) really want the job. But I read on Social Media that he may pick his daughter Ivanka Trump as VP??? If he does then it will prove my assertion all along that he doesn't want to be President, and this will be his out as the Delegates will probably vote him down as the nominee.

I still think if he really doesn't want to win but split the party even more, he should pick that dope Sarah Palin as VP. 1/2 of the Republicans will rally to her side (I still know friends that defend her), and then the other 1/2 will bolt the party cause a Trump/Palin ticket will be almost laughable.
I've seen the stories about Ivanka as VP floating around too. I don't think that is a serious possibility.

What I think is a bit more interesting and worthy of consideration is the possibility that Trump, if elected, would resign immediately after his inauguration. The premise is that he simply wants to win but not govern.

The likelihood of that being true might be revealed in who he picks for his VP.

So, synthesizing all of the theories....

If Trump picks Ivanka as his VP *BEFORE* the convention or before being selected as the nominee = he doesn't want to run in the general election.

If Trump picks Ivanka as his VP *AFTER* the convention or selected as the nominee = he wants to hand the election over to Clinton.

If Trump picks Ted Cruz as his VP = he will resign after his inauguration.

If Trump picks Newt as his VP = he is nothing more than bat-crap crazy bent on completely destroying the Republican party
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Old 07-08-16, 08:43 AM
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Trump needs to pick a female VP.
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Old 07-08-16, 08:44 AM
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Re: The 2016 Presidential Election thread: Great Scott!!

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I've seen the stories about Ivanka as VP floating around too. I don't think that is a serious possibility.

What I think is a bit more interesting and worthy of consideration is the possibility that Trump, if elected, would resign immediately after his inauguration. The premise is that he simply wants to win but not govern.

The likelihood of that being true might be revealed in who he picks for his VP.

So, synthesizing all of the theories....

If Trump picks Ivanka as his VP *BEFORE* the convention or before being selected as the nominee = he doesn't want to run in the general election.

If Trump picks Ivanka as his VP *AFTER* the convention or selected as the nominee = he wants to hand the election over to Clinton.

If Trump picks Ted Cruz as his VP = he will resign after his inauguration.

If Trump picks Newt as his VP = he is nothing more than bat-crap crazy bent on completely destroying the Republican party
The VP candidate is nominated at the convention. There is no way to pick a VP after the convention, short of picking Person A, having Person A nominated at the convention, and then having Person A withdraw his/her candidacy.
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I think it's Joanie Ernst's job for the taking IF she wants it.


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I still think if he really doesn't want to win but split the party even more, he should pick that dope Sarah Palin as VP. 1/2 of the Republicans will rally to her side (I still know friends that defend her), and then the other 1/2 will bolt the party cause a Trump/Palin ticket will be almost laughable.
I see Trump as a sad extension of the Sarah Palin phenomenon. The Republican electorate apparently does not care one bit about integrity, experience, expertise, or knowledge. I thought their defense of Sarah Palin was just nervous covering for something SO obviously egregious that I thought it was passing. She was the VP. No big deal. THEN they nominated Trump.

I point people again to this article from The Federalist: The Death Of Expertise - written by a life long Republican national security specialist. It's basically about how the people no longer care about a person's expertise in political or security matters. Anyone can do it and anyone's opinion is valid.
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I see Trump as a sad extension of the Sarah Palin phenomenon. The Republican electorate apparently does not care one bit about integrity, experience, expertise, or knowledge. I thought their defense of Sarah Palin was just nervous covering for something SO obviously egregious that I thought it was passing. She was the VP. No big deal. THEN they nominated Trump.

I point people again to this article from The Federalist: The Death Of Expertise - written by a life long Republican national security specialist. It's basically about how the people no longer care about a person's expertise in political or security matters. Anyone can do it and anyone's opinion is valid.
Knowing stuff is bad. That makes you an insider.

However, I am expecting Newt to be the pick, baggage and all.
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Old 07-08-16, 09:20 AM
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I see Trump as a sad extension of the Sarah Palin phenomenon. The Republican electorate apparently does not care one bit about integrity, experience, expertise, or knowledge. I thought their defense of Sarah Palin was just nervous covering for something SO obviously egregious that I thought it was passing. She was the VP. No big deal. THEN they nominated Trump.

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As a lifelong Republican, alot of people in my party scare the hell out of me the way they think these days. I know people who defended Sarah Palin and thought she was qualified, and I would argue with them thinking we are living in 2 different universes.

Most of those same people are Trump supporters and it's the same exact arguments again. I keep telling them that Trump is a loose canon and can literally take down the party. They don't care as they love his rhetoric as it isn't about ideology anymore. They care more that he is not PC then standing up for Republican policies.

I honestly don't know where to go after this election, as I am going to pull the lever for Hillary and hope to regroup in 2020 against her. But if the crazies in my party nominate another crazy in 2020 then I'm in the minority now as a Republican. I still think that every 20 years voters go off the rails and will just vote for anyone as they did with Perot in 1992. It will self correct and we will get a credible nominee in 2020. Hopefully......
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Newt - me too because I don't think Ernst will take it and Christie already presented himself as a "weak" sycophant. How tonedeaf are the Repubs? Newt fucking Gingrich and his smarmy bullshit and his alien wife again?
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Newt - me too because I don't think Ernst will take it and Christie already presented himself as a "weak" sycophant. How tonedeaf are the Repubs? Newt fucking Gingrich and his smarmy bullshit and his alien wife again?
Guy was despised when he dropped out of politics. Why anyone would think he'd add to a ticket is beyond me.
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Trump needs to pick a female VP.
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Guy was despised when he dropped out of politics. Why anyone would think he'd add to a ticket is beyond me.
Probably because all credible candidates refuse to torpedo their careers like Chris Christie has.
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